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The Mossad and the Truck Bombs of 9/11
Topic Started: Jan 14 2008, 11:46 PM (4,009 Views)
JFK	Mar 1 2008, 07:31 PM Post #126
Posts: 4,150 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	arbor Mar 1 2008, 07:17 PM wait, first the van exploded, now it was simply pulled over and there was nothing inside it but a bunch of middle eastern dudes who dont speak english. which is it? it honestly seems more likely that the van was pulled over, had zero explosives, and did not explode. it is IMPOSSIBLE for a van to blow up in lower manhattan, and there be zero wreckage or evidence of the explosion. This is why we need an independent investigation Arbor, Don't you agree ? There was lots of wreckage... That is how far from the towers ? Edited by JFK, Mar 1 2008, 07:33 PM.
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arbor	Mar 1 2008, 07:43 PM Post #127
Posts: 450 Group: BANNED! Member #100 Joined: 01/16/08	there was lots of wreckage of the van explosion? how you figure? i have watched the archive of news footage from that day, and they say NOTHING about a van blowing up. my mother, father, aunt, uncle, 3 cousins, tons of co-workers, and tons of friends, were all in nyc on that day, and NONE of them heard anything about a van blowing up in nyc. i will not, I repeat, NOT believe, for 1 instant, that a van blew up in lower manhattan, unless i see physical evidence or photographs of the wreckage or video of the wreckage or written testimony from a witness of the explosion and or aftermath. honestly, if you can believe a van blew up in lower manhattan, without seeing or hearing any evidence with your own two eyes and ears, well then, there is really nothing to discuss. AND FURTHERMORE... I propose that folks should be warned, if they make an assertion, and then refuse to back it up with some sort of video, photographic, audio, or eyewitness evidence. it is rediculous that people continue to make claims and fail to produce any significant evidence to back it up. Edited by arbor, Mar 1 2008, 07:47 PM.
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JFK	Mar 1 2008, 07:53 PM Post #128
Posts: 4,150 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Pfft... Since you did not even offer to answer my question I looked it up for myself. The location I make out to be about 1 1/2 miles from the WTC site. Which is further than I thought. Still rather close.
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arbor	Mar 1 2008, 07:58 PM Post #129
Posts: 450 Group: BANNED! Member #100 Joined: 01/16/08	until someone, anyone, provides some physical evidence such as a photo, video, audio, eyewitness testimonty....the event DID NOT occur. NO van exploded on King and 6th Ave. think im wrong? prove im wrong. im done with this absolute nonsense. if someone finds some tangible evidence, please PM. otherwise, i am done with this. see ya. Edited by arbor, Mar 1 2008, 08:00 PM.
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JFK	Mar 1 2008, 08:01 PM Post #130
Posts: 4,150 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	arbor Mar 1 2008, 07:58 PM until someone, anyone, provides some physical evidence such as a photo, video, audio, eyewitness testimonty....the event DID NOT occur. NO van exploded on King and 6th Ave. think im wrong? prove im wrong. Arbor, why are you getting so defensive ? If you are correct, you have absolutely nothing to worry about, correct ?
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JFK	Mar 1 2008, 08:02 PM Post #131
Posts: 4,150 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	arbor Mar 1 2008, 07:58 PM until someone, anyone, provides some physical evidence such as a photo, video, audio, eyewitness testimonty....the event DID NOT occur. NO van exploded on King and 6th Ave. think im wrong? prove im wrong. im done with this absolute nonsense. if someone finds some tangible evidence, please PM. otherwise, i am done with this. see ya. The king of edits I see... Bye.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Mar 1 2008, 08:07 PM Post #132
Posts: 1,966 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	please address the bolded questions in the previous post.
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22205	Mar 1 2008, 09:15 PM Post #133
Arlingtonian Posts: 443 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: 01/14/08	arbor And for your information...NO, I am not a racist. My Nigerian, Guianise, Indian co-workers and my Jamaican friend can attest to that. I also have no problem with Arabs, Muslims, or Persians. arbor muslims are offended by dogs. in wisconsin, muslim taxi drivers want it to be legal for them to refuse passengers with dogs, even seeing eye dogs. in minneapolis they want to be able to refuse transporting passengers that have any alchohol with them..even in checked luggage. in london muslims are offended by holocaust education. i suppose they only want to learn about the palestinians, the bosnians, and the crusades. try teaching them about the armenian genocide at the hands of turkish muslims? ohhhhhhh boy. (source) im persian (iranian) and was born muslim, though im not a practicing one. i took offense to your negative generalizations (above). so im curious, do any of these people of other races, some of whom might be muslims, do they know how uninformedly and biasedly you speak against other muslims? you say "you have no problem" with us in this thread, yet you dog us elsewhere. it seems to me that you seek to vilify muslims (other thread), and exonerate israelis (this thread). either this a random coincedence, or you are guilty of being prejudice. what is your defense? the following is a pre-emptive rebuttal to any attempt you might make to justify or minimize the bias in ur statements: -i owned a dog for 10 years til he died, upon which i barried him with my own hands, even kissing his dead forehead goodbye as i lay him in his grave. my parents (devout - fully practicing muslims) cohabitated with and loved that dog, he was a part of our family. what say you about this? statistical anomally? or uninformed generalization on your part? do i need to show you proof of other muslims with dogs before u concede that you were broadly brushing a negative picture of muslims? check this series out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZvbIRLv02w&feature=related mind you while it is saying that (some) iranians find dogs to be dirty and are against cohabitation with them, there are still plenty of iranian (muslim) dog owners in the video. so to be specific, its not that muslims HATE or dont like dogs. if u check u will see a substantial portion of iran's population are farmers. many of these farmer own livestock AND as a result, DOGS to control the livestock, and they have for centuries. so muslims (not just in iran) have had a close mutual relationship with dogs for as long as anyone else in the world. the issue about dog's in iran as depicted in the video is about cohabitation: the act of living with a dog in and around your home, especially in the cities, where space is at a premium, and alot of people (like in tehran) live in apartment buildings. so thats the issue leading to a very specific controversy, not an all-out muslim hatred for dogs. of course thats just one example of it, but as far as i know there are plenty of muslims dog owners both here in the USA as well as abroad in muslim countries. if u could get past your prejudiced generalizations, then you would see the big picture and then u would be in a position to truly call a spade a spade. you act like you know and are informed, yet you show you havent taken the time to investigate all angles to see whats really going on. -are you going to post links to the passenger refusals and cabbies in minnessota? ever think that ALL cabbies hate dogs in their cabs? do you want to get into a cab in your nice clothes, only to have them stink cuz some dog was sitting there before you? -ever think that cabbies hates drunks in their cabs? or better yet, do u ever see the big picture about anything? could there be other reasons for "muslim cabbies" making "negative" news in minnessota? or "bad" muslims in general making it on the news? are you ignorant of the existing vested interest there is in portraying muslims in an ugly fashion in a post911 world? -do u live in london? have u spoken with holocaust-denying muslims? even if you have, how are you sure that many of them (muslims) have that same belief? -"suppose they only want to learn about the palestinians, the bosnians, and the crusades" - of course you suppose and project your negativity on muslims. with reckless abandon, thats what you do. -turks vs armenians - again, focus on only negative things muslims and/or islam are accused of doing (ignoring the political mis-uses of religion as a guise to achieve economic or political gains), but never looking in the direction of the crimes committed against humanity by ALL religions. thus you still stand accused of racial prejudice. how do you plea? *** sorry for the not-directly-topic-related post. first, the muslim thread got closed before i could express my feelings on the issue. secondly, arbor's conduct was brought up in this thread, and seeing how is the driving force of opposing belief with regard to the original topic, and how that topic has indeed become an issue of objectivity vs bias, then i felt im not in violation of officially being "off-topic". if a mod sees differently, then i apologize and will edit my post and take whatever advice/direction that is suggested.



Domenick DiMaggio	Mar 2 2008, 11:02 AM Post #134
Posts: 1,966 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	arbor Mar 1 2008, 07:58 PM until someone, anyone, provides some physical evidence such as a photo, video, audio, eyewitness testimonty....the event DID NOT occur. NO van exploded on King and 6th Ave. think im wrong? prove im wrong. im done with this absolute nonsense. if someone finds some tangible evidence, please PM. otherwise, i am done with this. see ya. Here's the evidence : Exhibit A : NYC Emergency Channel 30 Audio 1) White Van with mural painted on it depicting attacks 2) 2 Occupants flee the vehicle and are arrested 3) Multiple confirmation that the van exploded Exhibit B : Feb 2006 Norman Y. Mineta International Institute for Surface Transportation Policy Studies (MTI) Report 1) White van with mural painted on it depicting attacks 2) 2 Occupants flee the vehicle and are arrested 3) No mention of explosion claims van "innocent delivery truck" 4) Claims occupants "Middle Eastern" and the van was rented Exhibit B which authenticity no one doubts proves Exhibit A to be authentic. Exhibit A is an authentic recording of NYPD on the morning of 9/11/2001. In their uncensored report (i.e. the evidence that exhibit B draws its conclusions from) they state multiple times that the van exploded. The Bush Administration has been proven to have intervened in the EPA report and had them rewrite it to lie to the American people and tell them the air quality at Ground Zero was safe. The Bush Administration has been proven to have greatly influenced the 9/11 Commission with the recent discoveries that Zelikow was in constant contact during the entire investigation with Rove & Rice and at one point Zelikow even tried to pass through a draft which included laying blame with Saddam Hussein. So it has been proven twice that the Bush Administration altered 2 of the most important investigation to the American people and the rest of world, you can say all of mankind in fact. So now having heard the authenticated NYPD recording, having it corroborated all the way up until the ending by the MTI, it is very safe to say the Bush Administration had the MTI report rewritten to fit their version of history. But here are the questions raised that MTI should have addressed : Doesn’t the MTI find it interesting that middle eastern men rented a truck and painted it with a mural depicting an attack currently taking place blocks away? Why would someone paint a mural of WTC being attacked by planes on a rented van? In addition if this was an "innocent delivery truck" why did the suspects attempt to run away? Is this alone not suspicious enough to warrant a full explanation in the MTI report? What happened to these two men? Why was the apparent explosion of the vehicle never reported? And why was first responder audio stating the vehicle had exploded subsequently ignored by all the official investigations into 9/11?
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Domenick DiMaggio	Mar 2 2008, 11:04 AM Post #135
Posts: 1,966 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	22205 Mar 1 2008, 09:15 PM thus you still stand accused of racial prejudice. how do you plea? I hope your post remains. I think it is relevant to this discussion. parky/arbor is an admitted Zionist so I suspect you already know the answer to your question.
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JFK	Mar 29 2008, 11:27 PM Post #136
Posts: 4,150 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	This article has vanished from the original site as well as the archive.org.
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22205	Apr 20 2008, 04:12 AM Post #137
Arlingtonian Posts: 443 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: 01/14/08	i dont know if this was posted earlier in this thread, but has anyone seen this? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t8IChBDQrRQ&feature=related ?



kahlmyishmael	May 13 2008, 01:34 PM Post #138
Posts: 5 Group: Members Member #566 Joined: 05/13/08	arbor Jan 25 2008, 05:07 PM i believe my argument is 100% logical. on 9-11, the MSM announced several whte vans with explosives in nj. this is taken, by some, to be 100% proof positive. on 9-11, the MSM also announced a car bomb at the state dept. (absolutely untrue) 8 possible hijackings (absolutely untrue). when flight 587 went down, ABC news reported that the incident was likely due to a terror attack (absolutely untrue. my point, a very logical one, is that in the heat of a moment and in a crisis, the knee jerk reports of the media CAN NOT be taken without a grain of salt. news reports must be investigated, confirmed, and double- confirmed. otherwise anything goes and we will just believe anything. Splendid, Arbor! I'm with you 100% my pro-Zionist little friend... 100% behind you for a 100% logical argument So explain how the Israeli MOSSAD AGENTS were able to predict the future by painting a mural of a plane crashing into a building on a van they rented. I'm at a Sports Handicapping Forum and I have promised the folks there that those Israeli MOSSAD AGENTS would be picking 100% winners against-thepointspread AND ALSO picking the winning lottery numbers each week for all US states that have a lottery. Norman Mineta was the US Secretary of Transportaion...even in the attempted coverup in the Mineta Transportation Report THAT SAME ability to predict the future was mention/referenced The attempted coverup WAS A BIT VAGUE, arbor...it described the van's occupants as being of "middle eastern descent"...awfully generic, wouldn't you say? Think we can get your expertise to NARROW DOWN the "middle eastern descent" to something a BIT MORE SPECIFIC.... like Israeli....and more specific yet...like Israeli CIA(MOSSAD) ..and they were WORKING for whom? Urban Moving Ssytems... ...and the NYPD POLICE OFFICER in the dispatch TWICE mentions the mural at what was obviously a traffic stop ATTENDANT to the BOLO(be on the lookout for)...so the explosion COULDN'T HAVE occurred yet--otherwise he could not have seen the mural ...then he TWICE mentions...in real time... the supects(MOSSAD AGENTS) fleeing the vehicle and exploding it & that he had them in custody....so what, arbor... ...he took TWO MOSSAD AGENTS into custody who were driving what?.... a YUGO??? But it is the ABILITY TO PREDICT THE FUTURE that the folks at the Sports Handicapping Forum would quite naturally be excited about;to wit, knowing in advance to paint a mural of a plane crashing into a building.... NYPD RADIO DISPATCH saying officer at traffic stop sees van explodes... Israeli MOSSAD AGENTS at the wheel.... work for what company? Urban Moving Systems??? NJ Turnpike traffic stop of another van.... Israeli MOSSAD AGENTS at the wheel...bomb-sniffing dogs go crazy...employed by what company? Mineta Transportation Report references ability to predict the future..mural of plane crashing into a building. We sports gamblers NEED YOUR HELP, arbor!!!.... as my new little pro-Zionist friend...could you EXPLAIN TO the sports gamblers how the Israeli MOSSAD AGENTS were able to predict the future?
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kahlmyishmael	May 13 2008, 01:57 PM Post #139
Posts: 5 Group: Members Member #566 Joined: 05/13/08	arbor Feb 12 2008, 10:02 AM "Dressed like an Arab". What does an Arab dress like? That phone call was a hoax. Why do you have a picture of a scene from the X-Files? Are you trying to blur the line between reality and fantasy? A hoax? Actually, they described a van with Palestinians mixing explosives... But of all the vans stopped at/near bridges/tunnels...it was Israeli MOSSAD at the wheel..not Palestinians one van they exploded the OTHER VAN sent bomb-sniffing dogs crazy... Someone wanted to blame the Palestinians for MORE MURDERS of americans that were to be committed in the Holland Tunnel and George Washington Bridge. So the phone call had to come from someone who knew explosives would be in vans The Israeli MOSSAD AGENTS knew explosives would be in the vans they were driving...more Saudi passports in those Israeli vans... MOSSAD AGENTS murder hundreds more Americans by drowning them in the Holland Tunnel & GWB.....leave Saudi Passports behind to be discovered/recovered The MOSSAD AGENTS made the phone calls to the police blaming the muslims
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kahlmyishmael	May 13 2008, 02:15 PM Post #140
Posts: 5 Group: Members Member #566 Joined: 05/13/08	arbor Feb 15 2008, 07:17 PM Well, if i was a conspiracy theorist i would think: "ah haaa!!! they admit they were ordered by the Mossad to film the disaster!!! they just admitted it!! we got them now!!!" if i was a realistic, rational person, i would think: its a translation of a hebrew sentence. who knows what the original intent and true meaning is. regardless, wasnt everyone who was filming or taking pictures "documenting" the event? why would Mossad agents admit to an audience of millions that there were hired by the Mossad to document a terror attack? wouldnt that suggest the Mossad at the very least knew it was going to happen and didnt tell the USA, or at worse, was responcible for it? why would the Mossad implicate themselves in such a way? its an insane insinuation!! ...because the photos & film were seized and they had to cook up some lie to wiggle out of it... ..because a number of NJ residents had called police & told them the attack was being filmed by guys jumping for joy..film which was later seized ..in one of those photos, Silan Kurzberg is flicking a cigarette with the WTC burning in the background...he's taking that picture for his MOSSAD buddies back home in Israel to all have a good laugh. The men of Ladder Company 6 & Ladder Company 3 were breathing their last breaths of life on this planet and wondering how there families would go on without them...these firefighters rushed INTO an inferno to save lives WHILE OTHERS fled to safety ...flicking that cigarette lighter with the WTC burning in the background is AN ADMISSION OF RESPONSIBILITY that the MOSSAD AGENTS perpetrated 9/11 WTC attacks...the bomb-sniffing dogs showed they had dropped their load of explosives somewhere....the NYPD RADIO DISPATCH showed the MOSSAD AGENTS were going to send hundreds more Americans to their deaths by drowning & leave Saudi passports behind to blame the Muslims What does flicking the cigarette lighter with the WTC burning in the background mean to you, arbor?
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kahlmyishmael	May 13 2008, 02:39 PM Post #141
Posts: 5 Group: Members Member #566 Joined: 05/13/08	arbor Mar 1 2008, 07:17 PM wait, first the van exploded, now it was simply pulled over and there was nothing inside it but a bunch of middle eastern dudes who dont speak english. which is it? it honestly seems more likely that the van was pulled over, had zero explosives, and did not explode. it is IMPOSSIBLE for a van to blow up in lower manhattan, and there be zero wreckage or evidence of the explosion. now, it is indeed very very possible, that a moving van with a logo showing the manhattan skyline was pulled over, and some moron drew a picture of a plane flying into the wtc. many companies use logos that have the twin towers in it. my old license plate has it. also consider the possibility that some nypd rookies saw some dark skinned men driving a van, and out of the shock of the days events, and a bit of bigotry, decided that the van was suspicus and pulled it over. i heard a lot of nasty things said about arabs in the days after 9-11 in nyc, and it is indeed very possible that some officers went a little too far and did some ethnic profiling. "middle eatern dudes" = Israeli MOSSAD AGENTS??? If the Mineta Transportation Report is being THAT cryptic that they have to hide the identity of the vehicle occupants---it says alot The NEWS CLAMPDOWN on the USS Liberty murders by Israel--even today AFTER CIA Director Helms admitted Israel knew they were attacking American sailors DEMONSTRATIVELY ESTABLISHES collusion between the NEWS MEDIA & GOVERNMENT... ..and the Mineta Transportation Reports' vague reference to "middle eastern" men RATHER THAN Israeli CIA(MOSSAD) buttresses that argument
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kahlmyishmael	May 13 2008, 02:47 PM Post #142
Posts: 5 Group: Members Member #566 Joined: 05/13/08	arbor Mar 1 2008, 07:43 PM there was lots of wreckage of the van explosion? how you figure? i have watched the archive of news footage from that day, and they say NOTHING about a van blowing up. my mother, father, aunt, uncle, 3 cousins, tons of co-workers, and tons of friends, were all in nyc on that day, and NONE of them heard anything about a van blowing up in nyc. i will not, I repeat, NOT believe, for 1 instant, that a van blew up in lower manhattan, unless i see physical evidence or photographs of the wreckage or video of the wreckage or written testimony from a witness of the explosion and or aftermath. honestly, if you can believe a van blew up in lower manhattan, without seeing or hearing any evidence with your own two eyes and ears, well then, there is really nothing to discuss. AND FURTHERMORE... I propose that folks should be warned, if they make an assertion, and then refuse to back it up with some sort of video, photographic, audio, or eyewitness evidence. it is rediculous that people continue to make claims and fail to produce any significant evidence to back it up. The people who committed the crime(rogue elements within the US Governemnt & NEWS MEDIA) are the ones who control disposition of the evidence.... The USS Liberty is now established to be murder with what doctored evidence the Israelis did release COUPLED WITH the CIA Director's statements. No...catching the government in a lie or a situation IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM to explain is enough How were the Israelis able to predict the future by painting a mural on a van they rented? What does the photo of the Israel MOSSAD AGENT flicking a cigarette lighter with the WTC burning in the background indicate to you? It indicates an "admission of responsibility" like he is the one who caused the burning at the WTC
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noeffects	Jul 22 2008, 11:35 AM Post #143
Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	found this breakdown of the vans....enjoy. As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question... ...Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy. A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11. The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1) Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2) "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3) [T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4) Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6) "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7) One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here's the transcript from NBC News: Dispatcher: Jersey City police. Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building. Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform. Dispatcher: He has what? Caller: He's dressed like an Arab. (8) (*Writer's note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these "Arabs" were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not "sheikh uniforms") Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals. (9) When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis! According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers: "We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." (10) Why did he feel that Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD? The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (11) The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (12) Click for full size The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge, but the ethnicity of the suspects was not revealed. Here's what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001: American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported. (13) "...two suspects are in FBI custody after a truckload of explosives was discovered around the George Washington Bridge ... The FBI ... says enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge." WMV video download (545kB) It was reported the van contained tonnes of explosives (14). What's really intriguing is that ABC's 20/20 (15), the New York Post (16), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (17) all clearly and unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel. But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (18), and Yediot America, (19) all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously, that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel. It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved, one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating "middle-easterners" in a white van in so many different locations. It also explains why the New York Post and Steve Gordon (lawyer for the 5 Israelis) originally described how three Israelis were arrested but later increased the total to five. Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant to pick up the first set of drivers while re-crossing back into New Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge, then certainly the drivers would need to have a "get-away van" to pick them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the police had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 "mystery caller". A classic misdirection play. From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the The Record of New Jersey that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were joking about the attacks. The employee, who declined to give his name said: "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me." These guys were like, "Now America knows what we go through." (20) A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for Israel. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities (21). Suter's departure was abrupt, leaving behind coffee cups, sandwiches, cell phones and computers strewn on office tables and thousands of dollars of goods in storage. Suter was later placed on the same FBI suspect list as 9/11 lead hijacker Mohammed Atta and other hijackers and suspected al-Qaeda sympathizers, suggesting that U.S. authorities felt Suter may have known something about the attacks. (22) The Jewish weekly The Forward reported that the FBI finally concluded that at least two of the detained Israelis were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. This was confirmed by two former CIA officers, and they noted that movers' vans are a common intelligence cover. (23). The Israelis were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. (24) "There was no question but that [the order to close down the investigation] came from the White House. It was immediately assumed at CIA headquarters that this basically was going to be a cover-up so that the Israelis would not be implicated in any way in 9/11." (25) Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." (26) wmv video download How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11? It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots of the dancing Israeli Mossad agents - here's the most logical scenario: 1. The Israeli "movers" cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the successful accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off in history. 2. One of them, or an accomplice, then calls a 9-1-1 police dispatcher to report Palestinian bomb-makers in a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. 3. Having thus pre-framed the Palestinians with this phone call, the Israeli bombers then head for the George Washington Bridge instead, where they will drop off their time-bomb van and escape with Urban Moving accomplices. 4. But the police react very wisely and proactively by closing off ALL bridges and tunnels instead of just the Holland Tunnel. This move inadvertently foils the Israelis' misdirection play and leads to their own capture and 40 day torture. 5. To cover up this story, the U.S. Justice Department rounds up over 1000 Arabs for minor immigration violations and places them in New York area jails. The Israelis therefore become less conspicuous as the government and media can now claim that the Israelis were just immigration violators caught in the same dragnet as many other Arabs. 6. After several months, FBI and Justice Department "higher-ups" are able to gradually push aside the local FBI agents and free the Israelis quietly.
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roundhead	Aug 4 2008, 03:04 PM Post #144
Posts: 39 Group: Members Member #781 Joined: 08/01/08	I hope this isnt off topic. I have read and studied 9/11 from every which way. There is a ton that went down we are not privvy to,unfortunately. That said, if somebody held a gun to my head today, and said, you live if you correctly identify the perps, you die if you dont, this is what i would say to save my hide. 9/11 was commited by the State of Israel with the permission of certain elements in the US govt, who assisted in and were privvy to the details. Cheney and Wolfowitz would be two key people in the know, among obviously others.
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look-up	Aug 4 2008, 03:15 PM Post #145
Posts: 1,642 Group: Admins Member #63 Joined: 01/15/08	I wouldn't say Israel did it... just that they had their hand in it. They play an important role in massaging and protecting islamic terrorists... keeping them ready to be blamed for things and used in attacks. Try not to think of 9/11 in terms of Nations attacking, rather than interest groups within nations, and definitely across nations. my 2 cents.
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roundhead	Aug 4 2008, 03:30 PM Post #146
Posts: 39 Group: Members Member #781 Joined: 08/01/08	roundhead Aug 4 2008, 03:04 PM I hope this isnt off topic. I have read and studied 9/11 from every which way. There is a ton that went down we are not privvy to,unfortunately. That said, if somebody held a gun to my head today, and said, you live if you correctly identify the perps, you die if you dont, this is what i would say to save my hide. 9/11 was commited by the State of Israel with the permission of certain elements in the US govt, who assisted in and were privvy to the details. Cheney and Wolfowitz would be two key people in the know, among obviously others. I have to disagree, i think the Israeli Govt itself had a hand in it, and just a faction of our Govt. I have absolutely zero against Jews. Period. But the everyday Jewish person isnt the one i am the least bit concerned with. Its the huge and super powerful Zionist lobby here in our country, and in Israel that concern me. Neither of these have the interests of everyday US citizens in mind. Constant and continual war isnt in anybody's interests that i give a hoot about. Course, as a former sailor, the Liberty incident , and the ability of Zionist concerns to sweep that murderous affair under the rug is still a toothache i cant get rid of. 9/11 has some similar issues to that affair(same parties involved)but for different reasons this time.
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