arbor

Feb 28 2008, 05:26 PM

Only a bigot would suggest that my nation of ancentry somehow has something to do with my political views. How many passports do I have? One, from the country that I love and would die to protect, the United States of America. I am not eligible for any other passports, as the countries where my grandparents come from do not allow dual citizenship with the USA, nor would I be eligible if they did.

Any other irrelavent questions about my private life..bigots? Do you also want to know my shoe size and what hospital I was born in? How about what color my hair is?

Bigotry is soooo pathetic.

arbor

Feb 28 2008, 05:40 PM

I will tell you if I am a Zionist and what that means, when you explain to me thoroughly how it has any bearing, whatsoever, on the topic of this discussion.

Have I asked you if you are a liberal? A conservative? Are you a member of MADD? Are you an NRA member?

Why would I even ask? The whole point of labeling people "Zionist" or "socialist" or "fascist" is to derail the debate into personal attacks and name calling, and to disenfranchize people to the right to have their own opinions by claiming they are simply shilling for their organization or society. Its very very fascist in nature. And very pathetic.

arbor

Feb 28 2008, 09:18 PM

i am not a member of any zionist organizations. i do not participate in any zionist activities. i do not contribute to any zionist charities. i have never visited israel. but i do have a passover dinner.

happy Joe?

arbor

Feb 15 2008, 07:17 PM

Well,

if i was a conspiracy theorist i would think:

"ah haaa!!! they admit they were ordered by the Mossad to film the disaster!!! they just admitted it!! we got them now!!!"

if i was a realistic, rational person, i would think:

its a translation of a hebrew sentence. who knows what the original intent and true meaning is. regardless, wasnt everyone who was filming or taking pictures "documenting" the event? why would Mossad agents admit to an audience of millions that there were hired by the Mossad to document a terror attack? wouldnt that suggest the Mossad at the very least knew it was going to happen and didnt tell the USA, or at worse, was responcible for it? why would the Mossad implicate themselves in such a way? its an insane insinuation!!

SPreston

Feb 29 2008, 01:04 PM

These Israelis did not speak English, only Hebrew? I find that hard to believe since most Israelis speak Yiddish and Russian and English, and know very little Hebrew.

' Mossad Agents' were there specificallly to film an attack on the WTC which they should have known nothing about. Their dancing and celebrating the destruction and deaths of thousands of people displays more than just insider knowledge, but displays an active participation.

Obviously they had been transporting explosives in their vehicle since the bomb sniffing dogs went wild. How many furniture handlers normally transport explosives?

by Jeffrey Scott Shapiro

 

I don't have the resources to continue an ongoing investigation into who had prior knowledge of the attacks - but I am sure someone out there does. Many things have happened since I broke my first story. On Nov. 9, 2001, my sources informed me that the same boy who predicted the attacks told school officials there would be a plane crash on Nov. 12. I decided to inform an FBI agent I knew who told me that, without specific information, there was little they could do.

Once again, the boy's prophecy came true. Three minutes after American Airlines Flight 587 took off from JFK International Airport to the Dominican Republic, its tail snapped off and both engines fell from its wings, dooming the plane to crash in Belle Harbor, located in the Rockaway section of Queens. None of the 260 people aboard survived. To date, authorities suspect the crash was an accident. I'm not so sure.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/18261.html

arbor

Feb 29 2008, 05:17 PM

and what about all the arab kids who just happened to bring their cameras to school on that very day? what do you think about that...hmmmmmmm?

=)

Gideon524

Feb 29 2008, 05:48 PM

Enough with the accusations, fingerpointing, and namecalling...EVERYBODY...this includes calling people liars. This is everybody's warning before suspensions begin.

arbor

Mar 1 2008, 01:16 AM

Sorry Joey.

Quote:

 

The Mystery Of The 9/11 Car Bombs
Evidence points to multiple roaming backup teams with vans full of explosives

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, April 23, 2007

A much underreported aspect of the 9/11 attacks is one that concerns transmissions, sightings, reports and statements alluding to multiple mysterious suspects in different vans packed with explosives that were stopped and detained in New York while the towers were burning and in the aftermath of the attacks.

Some evidence even suggests that some of these vehicles actually exploded, and at least one was reported by mainstream media sourcing the FBI as having been parked at the base of one of the towers when it exploded and aided the collapse of the tower.

At first it sounds outlandish, but were teams of "terrorists" with huge amounts of explosives roaming around on the ground in New York on September 11th ready to jump into action and attack whichever structures or buildings they were ordered to target?

The first, and most mysterious, piece of evidence to highlight comes from an actual transmission from audio from Channel 30 NYC, one of the emergency communications channels, on the morning of September 11 which makes reference to the discovery of a van full of explosives and two suspects located between 6th and 7th on King Street, some blocks away from the World Trade Center.

The bizarre thing about the transmission is that the responder makes reference to a mural painted on the side of the van depicting a "remote controlled plane" diving into New York City. A full transcript follows the audio:



Begin Transcript:

officer: [inaudible]
officer: 5 the message about the plane
officer: Sergeant [inaudible] seven five (Miller?)
officer: 5 [inaudible] about the, 10-5 the message about the plane
officer: 9414 hold up
officer: 5 the message about the remote-control plane
officer: [inaudible] on the air
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] Trinity and Liberty… all city wide task force units are to respond to Liberty Trinity Place
officer: 10-4 the message is the plane [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] task forces
c/o: [inaudible] and [inaudible] will be the mobilization point at this time [inaudible]
officer: 10-4 c/o central who is [inaudible]
officer: didn’t find any mention about the plane (alt: didn’t find any admission about the plane)
officer: central, we need the bomb squad and EAQ over at King and……background noise….click
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] units
officer: [inaudible] on the air
officer: 9415 you on?
officer: 85[inaudible] this is uhh operator
officer: [inaudible]
officer: negat[inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] giving up these [inaudible] (planes?)
officer: [inaudible] I got a message on that uh plane,
it’s a big truck with a mural painted of a of a airplane diving into New York City
and exploding [inaudible] know what’s in the truck, the truck is in between 6th and 7th on King Street
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] 10-5 10-5
officer: with a mural painted uh airplane diving into New York blowing up. Two men got outta the truck
ran away from it, we got those two [inaudible] under.
officer: kay great.
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] are you holding those to guys [inaudible] (kay?)
multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] fucking beat the shit out of him.
officer: [gasps]
multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] fucking shit out of him [inaudible]
officer: all right listen you need any [inaudible] on those two guys over there? you all right over there kay?
officer: we got both suspects under kay, we have the suspects who drive…drove in the van and that exploded
we have both of them under kay let’s get some help over here
officer: now I’m sending you [inaudible] I just want to make sure you and your guys all right over there kay, that’s all.
officer: what’s the location [inaudible]
officer: put em up, put em up
officer: you know we have both the [inaudible] driven that exploded. Is that correct?
officer: what location?
officer: location [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] location [inaudible]
officer: King Street between 6th and 7th
officer: King Street and 6th and 7th avenue, King Street and 6th and 7th avenue
officer: [inaudible] on the scene King 6 and 7, which unit are you kay?
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] explosion
officer: which unit is on the scene at king street?
officer: truck to Manhattan
officer: [inaudible] 10 truck
officer: [inaudible] 10 truck is heading a team toward 14 Trinity Place
officer: all right you take care of that for me and get back to me
multiple voices: [inaudible]
officer: all right just check out that location let me know what you got
officer: [inaudible]4
officer: [inaudible] on the air
officer: on the air
officer: [inaudible]
officer: that fine with you?
officer: CIT Units on the air, CIT
officer: [inaudible] always available [inaudible] we’re talkin

The indication is that the suspects ran away when the van was stopped and were then apprehended following some sort of struggle. It is then stated that the van has actually exploded.

Naturally the strangeness of this audio clip has lead to questions concerning its authenticity, yet this was cleared up soon after the clip emerged sometime last year, when it was discovered that reference to the mural van was also made in the February 2006 Norman Y. Mineta International Institute for Surface Transportation Policy Studies (MTI) report entitled: “Saving City Lifelines: Lessons Learned in the 9-11 Terrorist Attacks”. The report states:

“There were continuing moments of alarm. A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad, and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.”

The Culhavoc blog site, which has covered this mystery in depth here, notes:

The MTI quote makes absolutely no mention of the truck exploding.

This report states that the truck was rented. Doesn’t the MTI find it interesting that middle eastern men rented a truck and painted it with a mural depicting an attack currently taking place blocks away? Why would someone paint a mural of WTC being attacked by planes on a rented van?

In addition if this was an "innocent delivery truck" why did the suspects attempt to run away?

We have two middle eastern men in a van with a mural on the side of New York being attacked by a plane diving into it on the same day as two planes are flown into the twin towers. Is this alone not suspicious enough to warrant a full explanation in the MTI report?

Something about the mural also must have caused the officer heard on the transmission to believe that it depicted a remote controlled airplane packed with explosives. The remote controlled plane comments are interesting when put into context side by side with Operation Northwoods, the now infamous 1962 plan by the Joint Chiefs to carry out terror attacks on American soil to be used as a pretext to invade Cuba.

What happened to these two men? Why was the apparent explosion of the vehicle never reported? And why was first responder audio stating the vehicle had exploded subsequently ignored by all the official investigations into 9/11?

arbor

Mar 1 2008, 06:45 PM

i would love, just love, to know the name of this NYPD officer who made the call on the radio. but for some reason, he has never stepped forward. and for some reason, there is no video, no photographs, no physical evidence whatsoever, of any van that exploded in lower manhattan on 9-11.

its if as though.....it NEVER HAPPENED!!! hmmmm...could it be?

no physical evidence, no video, no photographs, no sound recordings, and no named witnesses. thats not a whole lot of evidence..now is it?

am i to take it, that you will believe something occured, without any single shred of tangible proof, as long as it is mentioned on a non-secure police radio?

Quote:

 

am i to take it, that you will believe something occured, without any single shred of tangible proof, as long as it is mentioned on a non-secure police radio?

wow. fascinating standard of proof.

there is much more evidence that a plane crashed in shanksville then a van blew up in manhattan. do you believe a plane did not crash in shanksville? if so, its very interesting how your standard of proof adjusts based on the event.

Quote:

 

and by the way "Mr. Senator, I am not now nor have I ever been, a member of a Zionist organization"

I do not seek the annihilation of the Jewish State. I do not seek the murder of 5 million Israeli Jews and 1 million Israeli Arabs. Does that make me a Zionist? Some might say yes, some might say no.

And, by the way, the nations of Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, Turkey, and Algeria, all have peace treaties with the State of Israel and all recognize their right to exist. Does that make the leaders of Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, Turkey, and Algeria...Zionists?