PROOF of Major WTC7 Internal Explosion

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PROOF of Major WTC7 Internal Explosion; The Demolition of the WTC7 6th Floor Sta
Topic Started: Jul 10 2008, 08:45 AM (2,107 Views)
Miragememories	Jul 10 2008, 08:45 AM Post #1
Posts: 757 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	I've referred to this issue already in the Bbc-Wtc7 thread; http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=104793&t=364464 Unfortunately, this important issue appears to have been overlooked by the readers of that thread. There is eye witness testimony from Barry Jennings in which he states that his attempted exit from WTC 7 was halted by an explosion when they arrived at the 6th floor landing which caused it to collapse and left him hanging. Once he pulled himself up, they found the staircase was now impassable, forcing himself and Mr. Hess to retreat to the 8th floor where they remained until their well documented rescue at approximately 12:15 p.m. on 9/11. http://www.911blogger.com/node/16573 It's quite obvious that Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess would not have remained in WTC7, waiting hours to be rescued, if they exit had not been blocked by the destroyed 6th floor staircase. The staircase must have been impassable as they said. NIST and the BBC present a story that has Jennings and Hess arriving at the 6th floor staircase just as it was impacted by debris from the collapsing WTC 2 (South Tower). By doing so, they contradict Jenning's critical declaration that this large explosion occurred well before the WTC 2 collapse. But was that possible? Could ejected debris from the collapsing WTC 2 have caused the destruction of both WTC7 6th floor staircases? To quote one of his rescuers; "both staircases--the backsides were completely blown away and there was no way to access them and we couldn't get to them and finally one of the fire department teams found 'em." http://www.911blogger.com/node/16573 WTC2 was further away from WTC7 than was the more destructive WTC 1. How is it possible that debris was ejected so far, and managed to penetrate so deeply into WTC7, without there being any major entry damage to the south face of WTC7? In the NIST diagram below, we can well see that the WTC7 concrete and steel stairwells were well isolated from any debris striking the south face. Anyone who has ever travelled such highrise stairwells, knows that because of their importance in saving lives during an emergency evacuation, they are anything but fragile in construction. So if we logically reject the absurdity of WTC2 debris ejection destroying the WTC7 6th floor stairwell, what could have possibly accomplished that result so early in the 9/11 timeline? Whether Barry Jennings wants to take ownership of his original statements or not, all the evidence points to a case for an unexpected major internal explosion in the area around the WTC7 6th floor stairwell. MM Edited in an attempt to minimize typos. Edited by Miragememories, Jul 11 2008, 08:02 AM.
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look-up	Jul 10 2008, 09:38 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,642 Group: Admins Member #63 Joined: 01/15/08	yea, I see no way that a stairwell could be knocked out by plane parts or by debris which didn't do much damage even to the fascade of seven. look, we can keep debunking their debunkings all day. I am really starting to wonder what the next step is. We need to be louder than their disinfo. We need some serious capital.
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Headspin	Jul 10 2008, 09:53 AM Post #3
Posts: 974 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	do we know what window Barry broke with the fire extinguiser, he says north side (because of the signs), but I suspect he was south side, east corner. he says he saw the towers for one thing, he looks left (everything ok), looks right, the building was "gone" - is he looking at the south side damage show in the sparks photo? he says it is hot which would place him near the south-east side fire which is amply documented.
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Miragememories	Jul 10 2008, 10:13 AM Post #4
Posts: 757 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	Headspin "do we know what window Barry broke with the fire extinguiser, he says north side (because of the signs), but I suspect he was south side, east corner. he says he saw the towers for one thing, he looks left (everything ok), looks right, the building was "gone" - is he looking at the south side damage show in the sparks photo? he says it is hot which would place him near the south-east side fire which is amply documented." Actually he indicated that he was "breaking windows." I agree his statement "the building was 'gone' " is confusing but he more than clears up any doubt about his witnessing the collapses of WTC 2 and then WTC 1 from his position on the 8th floor by his description of the retreating firefighter rescuers prior to each tower's collapse. He does seem to be confused about the condition of the WTC7 lobby though. He continues to believe that the damage there was caused by the explosion he witnessed earlier, which he was told was an oil tank blowing up. He doesn't seem to have considered that the lobby, which he hadn't viewed since his early arrival, must have been heavily impacted by the collapse of WTC 1, which would have masked the effects of that first explosion. MM Edited by Miragememories, Jul 10 2008, 11:12 AM.
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Ferric Oxide	Jul 10 2008, 10:40 AM Post #5
Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #153 Joined: 01/20/08	WTC 7 Northeast Side. Broken window in corner of North Side Above: Could this be the window broken by Mr. Jennings on the North Side? This may be photographic evidence of that break. Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jul 10 2008, 10:40 AM.
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Headspin	Jul 10 2008, 11:47 AM Post #6
Posts: 974 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	I would say that window fits perfectly, still puzzled by the "building is gone" statement.
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chrisfarb	Jul 10 2008, 01:29 PM Post #7
Posts: 137 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: 01/15/08	If that is truly where he was standing, where was all the heat coming from that he mentioned?
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Headspin	Jul 10 2008, 01:37 PM Post #8
Posts: 974 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	chrisfarb Jul 10 2008, 01:29 PM If that is truly where he was standing, where was all the heat coming from that he mentioned? the fire?
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chrisfarb	Jul 10 2008, 01:41 PM Post #9
Posts: 137 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: 01/15/08	Headspin Jul 10 2008, 01:37 PM chrisfarb Jul 10 2008, 01:29 PM If that is truly where he was standing, where was all the heat coming from that he mentioned? the fire? Way down there?
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Headspin	Jul 10 2008, 01:51 PM Post #10
Posts: 974 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	chrisfarb Jul 10 2008, 01:41 PM Way down there? fire will take a while to break windows, no way to know by that picture where the fire has spread, in a confined space (unbroken windows) heat will build up like an oven. heat will also pass through floors and walls. smoke will carry heat too. I have been in a burning building and so have first hand witnessed all these things. barry describes explosion damage, so perhaps holes in the floors and walls enabled heat to travel to him. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess were trapped for 90 minutes in the building, when was the picture taken? Edited by Headspin, Jul 10 2008, 01:53 PM.
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Ferric Oxide	Jul 10 2008, 02:11 PM Post #11
Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #153 Joined: 01/20/08	Jennings should simply be asked if that is the window he broke, and if the firefighters looking up are the ones he referred to in the interview with Dylan. Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jul 11 2008, 12:28 PM.
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Miragememories	Jul 10 2008, 03:03 PM Post #12
Posts: 757 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	Unfortunately by his over zealous cooperation with the BBC, Barry Jennings has placed himself between a "rock and a hard place". Both versions of what he witnessed in WTC7 on 9/11 cannot be true. There is a willful lie clearly being told. The earlier LC Dylan interview with Barry Jennings would be very easy to validate with so many firefighter encounters during the 3 attempted rescues, not to mention the mysterious Mr. Hess? Groups of firemen warned him to await rescue, and Barry refers to their failed attempts where the firefighter rescuers had to 'abort and flee' just before each of the Twin Towers collapsed. With the 3rd, and final attempt, he said they had more men (10) and appeared more determined. MM Edited by Miragememories, Jul 11 2008, 08:14 AM.
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Miragememories	Jul 11 2008, 10:48 AM Post #13
Posts: 757 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	This is how the producers of BBC's The Conspiracy Files - 9-11 The Third Tower, Executive Producer Samantha Anstiss and her Assistant Producer James Giles, fabricated the Official Story version of the Barry Jenning's timeline. The Apparent Goal: Make the audience assume...no, not even that, make them accept the truth of what their eyes tell them. Make the viewers assume that the program is a chronological continuation of Barry's last on screen statement. The Apparent Purpose: Discredit Barry Jennings as a useful 9/11 Truth witness, and, most importantly, totally avoid having to explain the mystery of WTC7's demolished 6th floor stairwells. How They Did It: From BBC's The Conspiracy Files - 9-11 The Third Tower @00:09:34 [BBC Narrator]"Feared dead by his family, Barry Jennings has become the key witness in the controversy over what really happened inside Tower 7." Barry Jennings: "A long pause. And then he came back and he said "get out of there, get out of there,now!".." Cut to Barry [seemingly alone] running down the stairwell. A narrator dramatically states; "at 9:59 one thousand, three hundred foot, South Tower collapses" At the end of "collapses", producers cut directly to sensational video montage of WTC2's collapse. Unknown to the trusting viewer, a very compelling and seamless "slight of hand" has been performed on the original Barry Jennings timeline. In so doing, the producers have deliberately lied. The producers, were well aware of the contents of the Barry Jennings interview previously recorded by the producers of Loose Change Final Cut. The producers made absolutely no attempt to address Barry's statement about returning to the 8th floor of WTC7, his observing both WTC Twin Towers still standing, his describing firefighters working on his rescue, and Barry's seeing the firefighters abort his rescue and flee as WTC 2 collapsed. MM
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Ferric Oxide	Jul 11 2008, 11:26 AM Post #14
Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #153 Joined: 01/20/08	Quote: Barry's statement about returning to the 8th floor of WTC7, his observing both WTC Twin Towers still standing, his describing firefighters working on his rescue, and Barry's seeing the firefighters abort his rescue and flee as WTC 2 collapsed. That is the reason why it is fairly important to verify if the north side window break shown, is the one Barry spoke of in the interview. It will help to verify the timeline. For example, are there any photos of that corner with the window NOT broken on 9/11/2001 after the North tower was struck?
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Ferric Oxide	Jul 11 2008, 11:41 AM Post #15
Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #153 Joined: 01/20/08	Below: Here is a better and sharper photo showing what I theorize may be the window break by Barry Jennings. The floor that the window break is on may be the 8th, but this must be verified, and I could use some help with that. This could verify that part of Barry Jennings' story and help with the timeline. Quote: They headed downstairs but became trapped around the sixth floor by smoke and debris that filled the staircase as a result of the North Tower collapsing at 10:28 a.m. After breaking a window and calling for help, they were spotted by firefighters outside. When the firefighters go in, they also find a security officer for one of the businesses based in the building, who is trapped on the 7th floor by the smoke in the stairway. Why this guard did not evacuate earlier, along with the rest of WTC 7, is unknown. All three men are escorted out of the building. So, I theorize that this picture was taken after Barry broke the window (if its verified that the broken window in the photo is the one in question), which was after the collapse of the North Tower--obviously gone. Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jul 11 2008, 12:18 PM.
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Ferric Oxide	Jul 11 2008, 12:12 PM Post #16
Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #153 Joined: 01/20/08	Below: There does not seem to be a broken window on the north east corner of WTC 7 at the time of the WTC 2 hit. If the broken window is verified to be from the fire extinguisher smashed against it by Barry Jennings', then this video (a better quality must be found) will help to establish his timeline. Video (digitized poor quality) of moment of WTC 2 hit and north side of WTC 7 visible. There does not appear to be a broken window where one appears later. Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jul 11 2008, 12:30 PM.
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Headspin	Jul 11 2008, 12:37 PM Post #17
Posts: 974 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	Ferric Oxide Jul 11 2008, 11:26 AM Quote: Barry's statement about returning to the 8th floor of WTC7, his observing both WTC Twin Towers still standing, his describing firefighters working on his rescue, and Barry's seeing the firefighters abort his rescue and flee as WTC 2 collapsed. That is the reason why it is fairly important to verify if the north side window break shown, is the one Barry spoke of in the interview. It will help to verify the timeline. For example, are there any photos of that corner with the window NOT broken on 9/11/2001 after the North tower was struck? http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/290907Footage.htm the video timestamp shows the window unbroken at 1:47, 6:52 flight 175 hits the tower at 6:20 in the video timestamp so we know that the window is still unbroken 30 seconds AFTER impact of flight 175. we can conclude that flight 175 did not cause the window to break. edit - Ferric oxide beat me to it the post above Edited by Headspin, Jul 11 2008, 12:39 PM.
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Ferric Oxide	Jul 11 2008, 01:35 PM Post #18
Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #153 Joined: 01/20/08	Below: The two photos (stills from the same video) show that the window has not yet been broken by Barry Jennings. I theorize that Barry Jennings and Hess have not yet made it to that area. I think it's the 8th, but this needs to be verified and I will edit the relevant posts when it is verified. Video Courtesy Prisonplanet.com Below: For comparison, here is a photo taken of the window after it was broken, presumeably by Barry Jennings. Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jul 11 2008, 01:47 PM.
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Miragememories	Jul 11 2008, 04:16 PM Post #19
Posts: 757 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	From the NIST 'Confidential and Predecisional Document WTC 7 chapter Pitts.doc in the June 2008, leaked WTC7 docs. "Review of various images of the north face of WTC 7 revealed that the face appeared undamaged with the exception of two locations on the 8th floor where window glass was broken out prior to the time when fire began breaking windows on the face. ... As noted above, there was an open window on the northeast corner on the 8th floor window 8-42A. This window is visible in Figure 1 96. Crop of NIST photo Figure 1-96 ... cropped image is taken from the same photograph as Figure 1 17. A news video showed a trapped person yelling from help from this window. The other open window observed on this side of the building was 8-47B. This open window is visible in Figure 1 34 above the left hand edge of the fire burning on the 7th floor. It is likely that this window was also broken out by people trapped in the building after WTC 1 collapsed. The only broken glass is in the center of the window on the 8th floor to the right of column 36. This open window is also visible in Figure 1 26. It is believed that this window was broken out by people who were trapped on this floor when WTC 1 collapsed. Video clips made available to the Investigation show one of these people inside an open window 8-42A on the eastern edge of the north face. Another of these people was interviewed later in the afternoon by a news person and described yelling out of open windows. Investigation team members interviewed these people and they described breaking out windows on the 8th floor. It should be noted that at the times when Figure 1 26 and Figure 1 95 were taken there was no indication of fire or smoke on the east face of WTC 7. " MM Edited by Miragememories, Jul 12 2008, 07:17 AM.
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Ferric Oxide	Jul 12 2008, 08:47 AM Post #20
Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #153 Joined: 01/20/08	RE: It should be noted that at the times when Figure 1 26 and Figure 1 95 were taken there was no indication of fire or smoke on the east face of WTC 7. " OK revised . It states the photos were taken around 12 pm. This will help to further verify the timeline. OK, so the fires on the East side began somewhere between "around " 12 pm and 2:11:09 pm. I assume cubicles are on fire, but if someone could get a layout of that floor this may also help explain the "licking flames," and other matters. Where is Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess during this 2 hour period? The window is broken by about noon, but there are no fires on the east side. This merits further investigation. Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jul 12 2008, 08:58 AM.
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Ferric Oxide	Jul 13 2008, 12:33 PM Post #21
Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #153 Joined: 01/20/08	The following are photo stills from video which show the east side of WTC 7 on the right of the screen as WTC 2 is imploding. The camera man is in the vicinity of Vesey Street looking west. The east side of WTC 7 is visible. More photos like this will help to determine any damage to WTC 7 after the South tower collapse. Remember that the BBC hit piece intimates that it was this collapse that somehow caused the landing collapse inside WTC 7. Bear that in mind while taking a look at these photos. The video is readily available in existing documentaries Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jul 13 2008, 01:22 PM.
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illeagalhunter	Jul 16 2008, 05:17 AM Post #22
Posts: 175 Group: Members Member #81 Joined: 01/16/08	What i want to no is where all the video tape from inside the building came from nearly 7 years later.
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Miragememories	Jul 16 2008, 12:58 PM Post #23
Posts: 757 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	illeagalhunter "What i want to no is where all the video tape from inside the building came from nearly 7 years later." The Conspiracy Files-9-11 The Third Tower SOURCES AMAZINGRUST.COM AP ARCHIVE ARTBEATS BBC MOTION GALLERY BOSTON 9/11 TRUTH BRE GLOBAL CNN FEMA GETTY IMAGES GLOBAL IMAGEWORKS, LLC ITN SOURCE/FOX,RTV LOIZEAUX GROUP, LLC MOLESWORTH ENTERPRISES, INC NBC NEWS ARCHIVES NEW YORK POLICE DEPARTMENT NORTHROP GRUMMAN CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA FIRE FILMS SILVERMAN STOCK FOOTAGE SOUND AND VISION NETHERLANDS WGBH MEDIA LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES MM
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Sureshot	Jul 18 2008, 11:48 AM Post #24
Your glorious Loose Change Forum dictator... Posts: 415 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: 12/21/07	Are you talking bout the scenes with Barry running down, cause those are reenactments. Which footage are you talking about?



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