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Dylan releases Barry Jennings uncut interview; way to go Dylan! major kudos!
Topic Started: Jul 10 2008, 06:58 AM (2,373 Views)
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dylan avery
Jul 12 2008, 08:51 PM
No comment from Screw Loose Change about this release. Odd.


Maybe this is too hard to refute and so ignoring it avoids publicizing it?

Extract from the LCFC Barry Jennings Uncut Interview

"And I was asked to go and man the Office of Emergency Management (OEM) at WTC 7 on the 23rd floor.
As I arrived there, there were police..all in the lobby.
They uhm..they showed me the way to the elevator.
We got up to the 23rd floor.
Me and Mr. Hess, who I didn't know was Mr. Hess at the time.
We got to the 23rd floor..ah
We couldn't get in.
We had to go back down.
Then Security and the Police took us to the freight elevators where they took us back up and we did get in.
Upon arriving into the OEM EOC,..we notice that..everybody was gone.
I saw coffee that was on the desk. Still. The smoke was still coming off the coffee.
I saw..I saw er half eaten sandwiches.
And..only me and Mr. Hess was up there.
Uhm.
After I called several individuals, one individual told me that, uhm
"to leave and leave right away."
Mr. Hess came running back in.
He said "we're the only ones up here, we gotta get out of here."
He found the stairwell.
So we, we, subsequent.., we went to the stairwell and we're going down the stairs.
When we reached the 8th..uh, the 6th floor.
The landing that we were standing on gave way.
There was an explosion.
And the landing 'gave way'.
And we were, I, was left there hanging.
I had to climb back up.
And now I had to walk back up to the 8th floor.
After getting to the 8th floor, everything was dark.
It was dark..and it was very very hot.
VERY hot.
Uh..I asked Mr. Hess to test the phones as I took a fire extinguisher and broke out the windows.
Once I broke out the windows, I could see..outside below me..I saw er..police cars..on fire..buses
on fire.
Uh.
I looked one way.
The building was there. [WTC7]
I looked the other way.
It was gone.[??]
Uhm.
I was trapped in there for several hours.
I was trapped in there when both buildings came down.
Uhm.
The firefighters came.
They came to the window.
And they-
Because I was going to come out on the firehose.
I didn't want to stay any..longer
It was too hot.
I was gonna come out on the firehose.
They came--to the window and they said
They started yelling "do not do that..it won't hold you."
And then they ran away.
See, I didn't know what was going on.
That's when one..the first tower fell.
When they started running..the first tower was coming down.
I had no..I had no way of knowing that.
Then I saw them come back.
Now I saw them come back with more concern on their faces.
And then they ran away again.
The second tower fell.
So,..wha..wha..as they turned and ran the second time,
the guy said "don't worry we'll be back for you."
And they did come back.
This time they came back with 10 firefighters.
Uhm.
And they kept asking "where are you? We don't know where you are?"
I said "I'm on the north side of the building."
Because when I was on the stairs I saw "NORTH SIDE".
Excuse me.
Ah.
All this time, I'm hearing all types [garbled] of explosions.
All this time I'm hearing explosions.
And I'm thinking that maybe it's the ah..
Buses around me that were on fire, the cars that were on fire.
I don't see no..you know?..but I'm still hearing these explosions.
When they finally got to us, and they took us down, to what, to what they, they u..called the lobby."


MM

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It would seem Barry is not consistent after listening to the different interviews he's given. I'm not going to get into that discussion, but perhaps the thrill seekers on this board can feather them out, and prod some clarity out of Barry.
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Jul 13 2008, 11:53 AM
It would seem Barry is not consistent after listening to the different interviews he's given. I'm not going to get into that discussion, but perhaps the thrill seekers on this board can feather them out, and prod some clarity out of Barry.
"thrill seekers"? What does this imply?
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Jul 13 2008, 01:35 PM
Tether
Jul 13 2008, 11:53 AM
It would seem Barry is not consistent after listening to the different interviews he's given. I'm not going to get into that discussion, but perhaps the thrill seekers on this board can feather them out, and prod some clarity out of Barry.
"thrill seekers"? What does this imply?
A rather sincere post turned into a hypocritical post with them two words, I'd say.
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Domenick DiMaggio

i haven't watched the BBC crap but isn't likely that they edited and took his statements out of context much like what the history channel did with susan mcelwain?

or did barry completely change his story for them and its clear as day to tell?
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Domenick DiMaggio
Jul 13 2008, 02:24 PM
i haven't watched the BBC crap but isn't likely that they edited and took his statements out of context much like what the history channel did with susan mcelwain?

or did barry completely change his story for them and its clear as day to tell?
Its confusing. Who knows what he fully says.
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i haven't watched the BBC crap but isn't likely that they edited and took his statements out of context much like what the history channel did with susan mcelwain?

or did barry completely change his story for them and its clear as day to tell?


I've yet to see any statement from Barry Jennings that shows he agreed with how
they 'handled' his testimony in the BBC documentary;

The Conspiracy Files - 9-11 The Third Tower
Executive Produce- Samantha Anstiss
Assistant Producer- James Giles

Below is the best transcript that I could create based on all the occasions
that Barry Jennings was edited into the documentary.

00:00:43
"In the building [WTC7] I heard explosions, outside the
building I heard explosions"


00:03:03
"It was a building that had a lot of security.

There was always like police officers, undercover cops out front, it was very,
very heavily guarded."


00:09:34
[BBC Narrator Caroline Catz]"Feared dead by his family, Barry Jennings has become the key witness in the controversy over what really happened inside Tower 7.

00:09:43
"I'm just lucky to be alive because I didn't realize and maybe that's a good thing,
I didn't realize how close I was to death."


00:09:56
"To my amazement--nobodys there.
I saw uhm..coffee still hot..it was still smoldering.
They had screens all over the place. The screens were blank.

So..uh..I didn't know what was going on.

At that time I received a phone call from one of my higher-ups
and uhm ..he said "where are you?" and I said "..uhm..I uh you know..the emergency command center."

A long pause. And then he came back and he said "get out of there, get out of there,now!"


[At this point the program cuts directly to Barry's reenacted rapid stairwell descent
just as]

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The Narrator dramatically states; "at 9:59 one thousand, three hundred foot,
South Tower collapses"

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[At the end of the word "collapses", the producers tell the BIG LIE.

Without any explanation or justification, the producers immediately cut from
Barry Jennings running down the WTC7 stairwell, to sensational views of WTC2's collapse.

They did this with full knowledge that Barry Jennings was on record as saying that after
he returned to the 8th floor, from a window there, he viewed the collapse of WTC 2,
and then WTC 1.]

[Now that the threat of Barry's story has been neutralized, the producers rest easy
and go back to letting Barry's story now appear to describe events in WTC7 just before
and during the collapse of WTC2.

00:12:02
"I wanted to get out of that building in a hurry.
So, I started--instead of taking one step at a time I'm jumping landings.
When I reach down to the 6th floor, there was this aerie sound,
the whole building went dark and the staircase that I was standing on,
just gave way."


[A view of Barry descending rapidly and then slowing down as if arriving,
still alone.]

Narrator: "Barry Jennings-- was still trapped inside!"

00:13:54
"The first explosion I heard when I was on the stairwell landing.
When we made it down to the 6th floor.
Then when we made it back to the 8th floor I heard some more explosions."


[British-accented male interviewer asks "what sort of sound?"]

"Like a boom! Like eh, like an explosion."
[Same interviewer asks "and more than one?"]
"Yes."

Narrator: "Barry Jennings was also, an eyewitness to the fires that were spreading
through the building."

00:14:21
"I could smell fire.."you know, you could smell the smoke--
and I felt the heat. It was intense.


Narrator: "Trapped inside an inferno, Barry Jennings was finally rescued!"

00:18:28
"When we get outside, a police officer comes to me and says "you have to run.
We have more information of bombs, so you have to run."

When I got to the--the 19th block, Channel 7 EyeWitness News says
"can we talk to ya?"

I said "I need an ambulance."

The guy said "just let me talk to ya like quick."

[show part of original news piece]

"All this time---I didn't know it, all this time somebody had called
my wife and told her I had died in the building.

Who comes over the TV set?, whose voice?, it's mine--and--my sister says
"wait a minute, that's Barry right there!"

So my wife comes flying back down the stairs and says "wait a minute,
is, is this live..because we were told he was dead?

And a little caption in the corner, the left hand corner of the TV set, said
that it was live."


[About his 2007 interview with Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas for LCFC]

Narrator: "Trouble is, Barry Jennings himself disagrees with their interpretation of his words."

00:47:02
"I didn't like the way, you know, I was betrayed.
They portrayed me as seeing dead bodies I never saw dead bodies."


00:47:31
"I said it felt like I was stepping over them.

I never saw them.

and you know..that's the way they portrayed me and I didn't appreciate that
so I told them to pull my interview.

Do I think that our government would do something like that to it's people?
No.
I honestly don't believe that.

All I know is that I was in there, heard what I heard, saw what I saw . . ."


End of transcript.]

From what I can tell, in the BBC doc, Barry hasn't said anything that disagrees with his previous public statements.

The minor controversy about his original "stepping over dead bodies" interpretation, appears to be something, that at the very least, Barry wishes to retract.

This appears to be his only retraction.

Unfortunately, for the BBC trusting public, the documentary's big lie is deliberately made to appear as told by Barry Jennings, but was clearly crafted by the producers.

For their sole goal of popular but politically safe entertainment, combined with a smug certainty that the Official Story is unimpeachable, the producers unscrupulously used Barry for their own purposes.

MM


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Heres something that hasn't been mentioned from the Jenning interview. He mentions that after the quote explosion!, they head on up to floor eight, by which barry bust out a window to grab some attention, at which he makes an observation that some busses and police cars are on fire, before of course the collapse of both towers. Anything wrong with this picture?
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Heres something that hasn't been mentioned from the Jenning interview. He mentions that after the quote explosion!, they head on up to floor eight, by which barry bust out a window to grab some attention, at which he makes an observation that some busses and police cars are on fire, before of course the collapse of both towers. Anything wrong with this picture?


Well apparently there were vehicle fires in the area prior to the WTC Twin Towers collapses.

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Liberty Street - 8:50 AM

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Liberty Street - 8:51 AM

"There was a big explosion, burning debris fell down. Some cars caught fire."
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?s=c1aedbe4cc838094cccea112e5c401eb&showtopic=3206&view=findpost&p=14956385

Maciej Swulinski:"I noticed the car that was hit and had two flat tires, but the driver was trying to keep going. The other car was burning."
http://www.swulinski.com/9-11/NYCAttack1.html

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A burned out bus just down the street from the NE corner of WTC7 where Barry Jennings
would have had a clear view of it through the 8th floor window he broke with a fire extinguisher.

MM
Edited by Miragememories, Jul 14 2008, 10:45 AM.
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Heres something that hasn't been mentioned from the Jenning interview. He mentions that after the quote explosion!, they head on up to floor eight, by which barry bust out a window to grab some attention, at which he makes an observation that some busses and police cars are on fire, before of course the collapse of both towers. Anything wrong with this picture?


Well apparently there were vehicle fires in the area prior to the WTC Twin Towers collapses.

Posted Image

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Liberty Street - 8:50 AM

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Liberty Street - 8:51 AM

"There was a big explosion, burning debris fell down. Some cars caught fire."
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?s=c1aedbe4cc838094cccea112e5c401eb&showtopic=3206&view=findpost&p=14956385

Maciej Swulinski:"I noticed the car that was hit and had two flat tires, but the driver was trying to keep going. The other car was burning."
http://www.swulinski.com/9-11/NYCAttack1.html

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A burned out bus just down the street from the NE corner of WTC7 where Barry Jennings
would have had a clear view of it through the 8th floor window he broke with a fire extinguisher.

MM
You probably have the right location with the pic of that bus, but chances are those busses would either not be on fire, or the fire that would have been started by the plane debri, would have been put out toot sweet before Barry stuck his head out the window. There might have been a thousand firefighters in the area, and a bus burning prior to collapse would have been a priority. Chances are most likely that Barry stuck his head out the window well after the first collapse, or possibly even after the second collapse. His mention of firefighters running away were probably in response to something else other than the two collapsing towers.
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"Chances are most likely that Barry stuck his head out the window well after the first collapse, or possibly even after the second collapse. His mention of firefighters running away were probably in response to something else other than the two collapsing towers."

I've heard some lame responses in my time but that one has to be a top contender for the big prize.

You've totally ignored Barry Jenning's eyewitness testimony and substituted your own imaginings.

MM


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...and the only reason he/she did so seems to be that it doesn't fit the official story.

Tell me when that became a standard of evidence, exactly?
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"Chances are most likely that Barry stuck his head out the window well after the first collapse, or possibly even after the second collapse. His mention of firefighters running away were probably in response to something else other than the two collapsing towers."

I've heard some lame responses in my time but that one has to be a top contender for the big prize.

You've totally ignored Barry Jenning's eyewitness testimony and substituted your own imaginings.

MM


It's easily a reasonable possibility, I know it and you know it.

Here are some times to refresh your memory

8:46AM First planes hits
9:03AM Second plane hits
9:59AM First tower collapses
10:28AM Second tower collapses

Barry was obviosly late for the emergency Management party. When he arrived at the building, it was probably almost entirely empty. Now how long do you think that would take to empty that building? My guess is somewhere between a half hour and 45 minutes (possibly more). So Barry probably arrives at the building at about 9:30AM (possibly later), and kills about ten minutes or more trying to find assistance, by which he gets some help getting a freight elevator to bring him up to the emergency management floor. So Maybe Barry the slug is finally at his deck at 9:45AM (maybe). Personally I think he got up there at about 10:00AM Just as the first tower collapsed, and almost got killed when the second tower collapsed, while he was at the sixth floor staircase, cuz thats when the real fireworks started for this emergency management party.

There is a video outside and inside WTC7 just after the collapse of the first tower. There is some broken glass, and I repeat (some) broken glass, lots of paper, and lots of dust. There are no signs of explosions in any of the video. There are shots of a policeman in that video, and it would appear that he was in that building at the time of the collapse. I'll go out on a limb and say his job at the time was that building. I just don't know how he survived the huge explosion though, that Barry said happened. You know - the one that ripped through to the sixth floor. Oh wait! I forgot! The policeman was a plant!

To add to my previos post about the vehicle fires.
In regards to the fires of the busses and police cars that Barry said he saw ..... before the towers collapsed. I just saw a video while the first tower was collapsing, and it is from an angle wherein WTC7 is in the picture. It doesn't quite show ground level, where the burning vehicles would be, but it does show enough where I would expect to see smoke coming from those burning vehicles, but there is none to be seen.

Watch the video called the third tower. Maybe you will see something I didn't.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4576154575407650292



Edited by Tether, Jul 15 2008, 02:16 AM.
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how long do you think that would take to empty that building? My guess is somewhere between a half hour and 45 minutes (possibly more).
he found the Emergency Managment "bunker" on the 23rd floor empty. 45 or more minutes to exit the building is an absurd overestimate.

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So Barry probably arrives at the building at about 9:30AM (possibly later)
based on what? your absurd initial estimate? you are saying that he was outside and he did he not notice or know of the second plane crash?
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Jul 15 2008, 01:20 AM
Watch the video called the third tower. Maybe you will see something I didn't.
what you apparantly didn't see is how they mix up programme narration with testimony. these two things are very different. one is the eyewitness recalling the events of the day, the other would be important stuff "made up" by the narrator. they do this throughout the programme to shoe-horn the true facts into the false official narrative of events.

example:
witness - "I heard 'boom', 'boom', 'boom'"
narrater - "it was Guiliani having sex with his secretary"
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Jul 15 2008, 02:40 AM
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how long do you think that would take to empty that building? My guess is somewhere between a half hour and 45 minutes (possibly more).
he found the Emergency Managment "bunker" on the 23rd floor empty. 45 or more minutes to exit the building is an absurd overestimate.

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So Barry probably arrives at the building at about 9:30AM (possibly later)
based on what? your absurd initial estimate? you are saying that he was outside and he did he not notice or know of the second plane crash?
So you believe he would have found it evacuated already at 9:03. Why ? It is much more likely he is incorrect in his times. How long do you think it takes to evacuate a 40 something story building. Did he mention seeing streams of people leaving the building. His testimony to me gives the impression the building was pretty empty except for some police. Here is testimony from someone who was there

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_national/sept11_fdny_transcripts/9110458.PDF

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OEM's offices are in Seven World Trade
Center, so we were there when the first plane
hit. I was on the third floor. I was eating
breakfast. The electricity went out in the
building for about three to four seconds, and
then it rerouted and came back on. I knew
something major had happened, although I did not
feel any vibration or hear any crash from where I
was sitting.
The folks that were in the cafeteria
where I was that had a window seat all got up
T. BROWN 3
pretty much at once and started running. I asked
them what happened. They said a plane just
crashed into the tower, which was the north
tower.
So I ran down the escalator to the
lobby level, where I saw my direct boss, Calvin
Dreydon, who is the deputy director for
operations for OEM, going down to the street
level. He told me to go up to our office on 23
and make sure that we were getting our EOC up and
running and that our communications was being
properly supervised. We call it our watch
command.
So I went up in the elevator to 23.
First I went to my desk, got my portable radio.
It's a police radio, fire radio and OEM radio. I
went into our watch command. The supervisor,
Mike Lee, was there running operations, so we
were fine there. I went into the EOC. We had
the supervisor, Mike Berkowitz, there running
that, so I was comfortable that we were doing our
job properly.


How long do you think it took him to get out of the cafeteria and down to the lobby meet his supervisor. Get to the elavator and go the the 23rd floor. remember this was a building being evacuated and a hectic environment. Do the things he said he did in the OEC and leave. 10 minutes or more I would expect. When he left they were not evacuating the OEC. But in the next couple of minutes every one got out of the OEC.
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If firefighters didn't have water or time for building 7 what makes one think that they would douse a car, bus, etc...
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Here is another person who was in the WTC command center after the second plane hit.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110161.PDF
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I'm not sure of the exact time, but I believe
as we were coming over the Brooklyn Bridge was when the
second plane hit the second tower. We parked -- I want
to say it's on like Broadway right off of Vesey Street,
between Vesey and Barclay. Captain Nahmod and I
started heading down Vesey Street towards where we
thought the command post would be. At that time we had
received a page per Chief Peruggia to go into OEM at
4
R. ZARRILLO
No. 7 World Trade and activate our post in OEM.
Captain Nahmod and I were running down Vesey Street
stepping over airplane pieces, several bodies and
whatnot.
Q. Can you describe how much debris was around?
A. There was what looked like the front wheel
assembly of an airplane. Unknown the size of the plane
that had hit, it just looked like it was one pair of
wheels on an assembly, pieces of metal with rivets in
them, a few body parts scattered around.
Q. Was debris still falling?
A. Debris was falling. It looked like birds.
There were people falling from the towers or jumping,
whatever it was they were doing. Abdo and I went into
No. 7, activated OEM, placed calls to EMS Citywide,
RCC, to tell them we were there and we were activated.
Maybe five, ten minutes, not even ten minutes
later, a rep from OEM came into the main room and said
we need to evacuate the building; there's a third plane
inbound. That was the only thing I really heard
because I said, Abdo, we've got to go, and we made it
down to the lobby of the building, street level, met up


He came over the bridge parked and went to the WTC7 building and up to the 23rd floor. Was there for 5 to 10 minutes before they evacuated.
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mynameis
Jul 15 2008, 07:10 AM
If firefighters didn't have water or time for building 7 what makes one think that they would douse a car, bus, etc...
i agree they might not have seen the bus as a priority but by the same token there is nothing to make me think that bus didn't catch on fire because of the collapses. Was there a shortage of water on street level before the collapses.
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Jul 15 2008, 07:22 AM
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Jul 15 2008, 07:10 AM
If firefighters didn't have water or time for building 7 what makes one think that they would douse a car, bus, etc...
i agree they might not have seen the bus as a priority but by the same token there is nothing to make me think that bus didn't catch on fire because of the collapses. Was there a shortage of water on street level before the collapses.
The fire department had plenty of water before the collapses. If there were busses and police cars burning before the collapses, they would have put those fires out ( no question about it) Hint .... thats what they do, and there were hundreds of em at or around the scene. Does anybody think the firefighters would let these busses and police cars burn in hopes that the whole city goes up in flames? There were no fires in the location we are discussing, before collapse in my estimation.



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"Here is another person who was in the WTC command center after the second plane hit.

He came over the bridge parked and went to the WTC7 building and up to the 23rd floor. Was there for
5 to 10 minutes before they evacuated."


From reviewing Barry Jenning's complete uncut LCFC interview, it's clear to me that Barry was making an educated guess
about where he was when the 2nd plane hit WTC2, but he is certain that he was already inside WTC7.

Extract from the LCFC Barry Jennings Uncut Interview.

Barry Jennings: "I received a call shortly after the first plane hit, which everyone
thought was a Cessna.
That's what I was told.
A small Cessna lost it's way and hit the ..
I got there..uh..I had to be inside on the 23rd floor when the 2nd plane hit.
I was inside when the 2nd plane hit.
I was already in the WTC7."


Dylan Avery: "Did you hear that when it happened..the 2nd plane when it hit?"

Barry Jennings: "I couldn't tell you because I was inside and I was like closed off from everything.
Keep in mind, now, OEM, that big center, they had big gigantic TV screens and at that point,
none of them were working.

So I didn't know what was going on on the outside."


Dylan Avery: "So the Command Center was deserted when you and Mr. Hess got up there?"

Barry Jennings: "Yes."

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Jul 15 2008, 11:10 AM
Does anybody think the firefighters would let these busses and police cars burn in hopes that the whole city goes up in flames? There were no fires in the location we are discussing, before collapse in my estimation.


Fires were not the primary concern. The fire in the buildings safety and evac was the city and battalion chief's primary concern.
Edited by mynameis, Jul 15 2008, 12:01 PM.
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Jul 15 2008, 06:59 AM
How long do you think it takes to evacuate a 40 something story building.
to evacuate from the top floor it would take as long as it would take to descend the staircase. The height of the building was 186 meters, distance of a 45 degree staircase from the top would be 186 x 1.41=0.263 km
walking speed is 5km per hour.
5/0.263=19.01
60 minutes/19.01 = 3.15 minutes.

how long do you think it would take to evacuate the building?
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i'm sure a building of that size, with occupants like those, would have a very well-rehearsed evacuation plan... minutes sounds realistic. not close to an hour

edit... besides that, there is reason to believe that the building was never "full" that morning, just like the two towers were no where near their normal capacity.

it is likely that many inside the WTC7 building knew of the plan to demo it, and didn't come to work that day, or left before they were instructed to, just to be sure.

another theory for you all to consider might be that the building was intended to be demo'd during the collapse of one of the other towers... that something didn't detonate the way it was supposed to, and this is why it took many more hours to get the thing to fall.

with all the cameras fixed on the towers exploding into dust, who would have theirs fixed on seven? We might have gotten very little footage of its collapse had it gone down the way I am suspecting was the plan.
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when you work in an office setting like that, you might befriend people in other offices, just in passing and every day chit-chat. care about them... then learn they are to be sacrificed, warn them, and they warn everyone else...

then you have a complete evacuation instead of some people dying like they were supposed to.
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