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Richard Gage PWNS Mark Roberts; Must see.
Topic Started: Jul 5 2008, 01:15 PM (3,624 Views)
Lin Kuei
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gaged
Jul 6 2008, 03:46 PM
Ban this shill!!
hey gaged we don't just ban people for debating, but in fairness Hamba you can do it to your heart's content in the skeptic's forum.

[edit to add] Hamba your account is now limited to this section
Edited by Lin Kuei, Jul 6 2008, 03:53 PM.
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gaged
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Lin Kuei
Jul 6 2008, 03:49 PM
gaged
Jul 6 2008, 03:46 PM
Ban this shill!!
hey gaged we don't just ban people for debating, but in fairness Hamba you can do it to your heart's content in the skeptic's forum.
Yeah. Move his arse to where the NWO agents can talk sweet love yous amongst themselves.
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Jul 6 2008, 03:40 PM
BoneZ
Jul 6 2008, 12:31 PM
"silverstein"
 
The whole block of 15 floors dropped onto one floor, would you expect it to withstand that force?
Yes, because that's the way the buildings were designed. They were designed to resist collapse and resist aircraft crashes. I know that's hard for you to comprehend. And the 15 storeys didn't "drop" onto the floors below. It started collapsing onto. Much less force there.
WTC was not designed like that. The floor trusses are only designed to carry the dead laods and the working loads of the items on that specific floor. The floor trusses were not designed to take the load of 15 floors worth of steel, concrete and other items. No floor will ever be designed like that because you would have ridiculously large truss memebers, such that you wouldn't have no space for a floor. The building would be a matrix of steel trusses.

Since this is your opinion, please provide proof of your claim, by providing an analysis that would show that the floor trusses in the WTC were strong enough to sustain the dead laod and live load of 15 floors worth of concrete and steel falling on to it.

Thank you.
Actually, the perimeter columns and core columns are what supported the floor trusses and the whole weight of the building. Since the core of the towers was relatively undamaged and only a few localized perimeter columns were damaged, then the buildings should have stood. Explosives is the only thing that would have caused global collapse.
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BoneZ
Jul 6 2008, 03:58 PM
hamba
Jul 6 2008, 03:40 PM
BoneZ
Jul 6 2008, 12:31 PM
"silverstein"
 
The whole block of 15 floors dropped onto one floor, would you expect it to withstand that force?
Yes, because that's the way the buildings were designed. They were designed to resist collapse and resist aircraft crashes. I know that's hard for you to comprehend. And the 15 storeys didn't "drop" onto the floors below. It started collapsing onto. Much less force there.
WTC was not designed like that. The floor trusses are only designed to carry the dead laods and the working loads of the items on that specific floor. The floor trusses were not designed to take the load of 15 floors worth of steel, concrete and other items. No floor will ever be designed like that because you would have ridiculously large truss memebers, such that you wouldn't have no space for a floor. The building would be a matrix of steel trusses.

Since this is your opinion, please provide proof of your claim, by providing an analysis that would show that the floor trusses in the WTC were strong enough to sustain the dead laod and live load of 15 floors worth of concrete and steel falling on to it.

Thank you.
Actually, the perimeter columns and core columns are what supported the floor trusses and the whole weight of the building. Since the core of the towers was relatively undamaged and only a few localized perimeter columns were damaged, then the buildings should have stood. Explosives is the only thing that would have caused global collapse.
Dont bother. The troll's been sent to exile at the skeptics forum where he belongs.
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Miragememories
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Too many bad assumptions are left unchallenged if you fail to confront
a false skeptic saying the upper sections of WTC 1 and WTC 2, "dropped"

NISTians keep saying those two 110 story buildings, the tallest in the world, symbols
of American "accomplishment", failed because WTC 2's 30 storys, and WTC 1's 15 storys
--went from being supported to a total state of complete downward motion.

This was to occur after a virtually instant loss of all perimeter and core column support over a complete
floor area for a falling distance of 10 feet ..better known as the DROP
.

NIST, FEMA, Bazant, Greening etc., all the supporters of the Official Story, need
and depend on THE DROP to make the math in their theories work.

At the time of collapse initiation, this shopping list of columns had to fail in unison.

We are expected to believe that all these simultaneous failures occurred solely as a result
of 20 minute roving office furniture fires.

Fires accepted by NIST as being capable of raising and maintaining the hot gas temperatures
at a level sufficient to weaken the structural support of the WTC Twin Towers,
in 56 minutes and 102 minutes.

In the most extreme scenario, enough gradually heated column failures might occur that the
upper sections would slowly lean and eventually topple but not bringing the intact building
with it.

Videos from both collapses show toppling just prior to global collapse initiation.

In both cases, the topple is unexpectedly arrested.

Strangely, we are expected to believe that both cores failed just as their leaning upper sections were
taking load off of them.

MM
Edited by Miragememories, Jul 6 2008, 05:17 PM.
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If one floor's weight all collapsed to transfer it's kinetic energy and weight, the next floor should absorb the weight for a duration. Then if the weight is unsupportable drop again weight x2 , and so on. What we don't see is the drop of any floor within the superstructure nor inside the crashed areas. I ask why? It is a continuous collapse all the way down symmetrically. It's impossible by fire for the three collapses that day.
Edited by mynameis, Jul 6 2008, 05:35 PM.
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Lin Kuei
 
'silverstein', is now limited to the skeptic's section

[edit to add] as is bobloblaw.


When are you going to create a section for blacks? A section for gays? Jews?

Lets seperate everyone so there are no confrontations.
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BoneZ
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Revid
Jul 6 2008, 05:59 PM
Lin Kuei
 
'silverstein', is now limited to the skeptic's section

[edit to add] as is bobloblaw.


When are you going to create a section for blacks? A section for gays? Jews?

Lets seperate everyone so there are no confrontations.
That was quite inappropriate and uncalled for. Cya. :thumbs:
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Revid

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That was quite inappropriate and uncalled for. Cya.


Please explain how that was inappropriate?
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Your glorious Loose Change Forum dictator...
Revid, that was uncalled for. The admins have the sections because they do nothing but troll on this forum. You have been warned.
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Jul 6 2008, 05:59 PM
Lin Kuei
 
'silverstein', is now limited to the skeptic's section

[edit to add] as is bobloblaw.


When are you going to create a section for blacks? A section for gays? Jews?

Lets seperate everyone so there are no confrontations.
Consider yourself lucky Sureshot saw this first.... I would have given no warning for that post and since it was another Admin to which you were replying it would have been a ban.
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Revid

Sureshot
 
Revid, that was uncalled for.


Is what I said uncalled for because I accused a mod of segregating for no good reason? Or is it just merely the example that I used to illustrate my point

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The admins have the sections because they do nothing but troll on this forum.


Could you explain how bob, silverstein, and hamba were trolling. If not then I question if you know the proper definition of a forum troll. From my perspective they were bringing up good points and criticisms that Lin Kuei was not comfortable having in this thread and he reacted accordingly. Don't you think you should self-police your fellow mods?

Thanks
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I don't get it JFK, what did I say that was inappropriate or bannable?
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BoneZ
Jul 6 2008, 11:56 AM
silverstein
Jul 6 2008, 11:44 AM
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"The point of the demonstration is that the 15-storey portion of the towers that began collapsing, cannot destroy 90 storeys of the rest of the entire building at the same speed as that same 15-storey portion falling freely through the air."


It didnt though, you only need to look at the collapse video to realise that.
The collapse front was noticeably slower than freefall.
So Gages point is?
It was slower by a few seconds which is negligible. Your point is?

It also appears you joined this forum specifically for this topic. Who are you?
If it was slower by 3 seconds that is 30% and that is not negligible.
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Lin made a good call on those two idiots.

they called me by name into the skeptics forum to answer to their interrogation, with taunts and abuse. their thread has gone on another 100+ posts bouncing about all over the place. they completely avoid their own issues, and refuse to rebut my answers. what a waste of space they are. their only intention is to tie people up with nonsensical and tangential guff.
go and look how fucking stupid they look yourself.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/412115/1/

Revid
 
From my perspective they were bringing up good points and criticisms that Lin Kuei was not comfortable having in this thread and he reacted accordingly
no they were not, they came here to troll, check the above link, qdos to Lin for spotting what you could not see.
Edited by Headspin, Jul 6 2008, 08:36 PM.
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Jul 6 2008, 07:05 PM
I don't get it JFK, what did I say that was inappropriate or bannable?
Buh-bye troll. Take your Fox News talking points elsewhere.
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Jul 6 2008, 08:27 PM
Lin made a good call on those two idiots.

they called me by name into the skeptics forum to answer to their interrogation, with taunts and abuse. their thread has gone on another 100+ posts bouncing about all over the place. they completely avoid their own issues, and refuse to rebut my answers. what a waste of space they are. their only intention is to tie people up with nonsensical and tangential guff.
go and look how fucking stupid they look yourself.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/412115/1/

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From my perspective they were bringing up good points and criticisms that Lin Kuei was not comfortable having in this thread and he reacted accordingly
no they were not, they came here to troll, check the above link, qdos to Lin for spotting what you could not see.
You should write a paper and send it to a scientific journal. That may get the ball rolling in the direction we need to wake up the sheep.
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Headspin
Jul 6 2008, 12:18 PM
silverstein
Jul 6 2008, 11:44 AM
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"The point of the demonstration is that the 15-storey portion of the towers that began collapsing, cannot destroy 90 storeys of the rest of the entire building at the same speed as that same 15-storey portion falling freely through the air."


It didnt though, you only need to look at the collapse video to realise that.
The collapse front was noticeably slower than freefall.
So Gages point is?
that's incorrect, the "collapse front" moves faster down the building than any falling debris.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1414080954035203231&q=fairbanks+911+&ei=agBxSOGtCYyqiwKvy52iDw&hl=en
I am wondering if this is the consenses here or if most people recognize the debris that was falling outside did fall faster than the building that did encounter some resistance.
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BoneZ
Jul 6 2008, 12:12 PM
silverstein
Jul 6 2008, 12:01 PM
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"It was slower by a few seconds which is negligible."

And you decide that is negligible based on what?
It did not fall at freefall.
That was supposedly the point of the demonstration?

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"It also appears you joined this forum specifically for this topic. Who are you?"


Why would you think that?
And who are you?
It fell at near free-fall speed and that could not have been accomplished without assistance, i.e. explosives. The buildings were designed to resist collapse, not allow the collapse to happen. Even if every single floor took a half a second to collapse, it still would've taken 50 seconds, not 10-15. Buildings just don't fall down when a few upper floors collapse or just because of a few small office fires. Of course, you would know this had you done some research before posting.
How about this quote? do most people believe that this statement has any basis in actual behavior of buildings.
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Even if every single floor took a half a second to collapse, it still would've taken 50 seconds, not 10-15.
. i know Dr Griffin says it in his lectures.
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Lin Kuei
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gaged
Jul 6 2008, 09:38 PM
You should write a paper and send it to a scientific journal.
gaged I have decided you are here as a joke. you do a lousy job as a fake truther. goodbye.
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examine the videos and see if you can spot significant free-falling debris falling faster than the demolition wave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o4cGW7KqSw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3y7ni-iG0E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbvx9i5O46M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGubez6wRwA&feature=related


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Revid
Jul 6 2008, 05:59 PM
When are you going to create a section for blacks? A section for gays? Jews?

Lets seperate everyone so there are no confrontations.
Skin colour doesn't affect opinion on a subject. Nor does sexuality. Nor does heritage (unless someone is inward thinking and blindly patriotic). The only thing that affects opinion is opinion. Poor analogy...
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Skin colour doesn't affect opinion on a subject. Nor does sexuality. Nor does heritage (unless someone is inward thinking and blindly patriotic). The only thing that affects opinion is opinion. Poor analogy...


My intention was not to make a strong analogy it was to illustrate a point, which you have helped me with. Segregating forum members based on their opinion.

Also, my opinion does not interfere with my discussion on a subject. If truthers are right about something I will concede an argument. The fact that they are rarely correct is why they push people to their own section, in my opinion.
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Jul 6 2008, 03:30 AM
Do you guys really think Roberts is a shill? Like actually getting paid to debunk truthers (or attempt to debunk as you might put it).

Or are you just calling him that off hand, like how we call you nuts when we don't actually know for a fact that you have mental problems.

Just curious.
well I can't say for sure, but short of seeing an invoice for his work, I wonder what would really motivate him to study the events of 9/11 to the poitn of

"knowing 9/11 better than anyone in the world"

What he's really saying may be true. He knows exactly what he's doing, and he needs to study each and every little facet of truth to figure out what lies to portray next.

Since we know he is wrong in his conclusions and faith in official stories, we can only conclude that he is heavily invested emotionally in doing whatever he can to make sure the official fantasy world he lives in and draws others into, will not be destroyed by the truth.

There's no way he can NOT know.

Therefore, he is either completely delusional, or he's being payed.

I'll let you decide which one I am trying to insinuate, since that's what J**Fers do anyways... speak for others.
Edited by look-up, Jul 7 2008, 09:59 AM.
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"My intention was not to make a strong analogy it was to illustrate a point, which you have helped me with. Segregating forum members based on their opinion.

Also, my opinion does not interfere with my discussion on a subject. If truthers are right about something I will concede an argument. The fact that they are rarely correct is why they push people to their own section, in my opinion.


Too often good constructive threads are effectively crippled by disingenuous members who post 'clutter' that reveals no
interest in honest discussion but a singular goal of disruption, apparently with the not so hidden agenda of making honest,
sincere responders look bad by inciting them to lose their sense of objectivity and react emotionally.

9/11 Truth is a serious, emotional subject which many here have devoted a great portion of their free time researching and discussing.

If it's too difficult for people to disagree in a respectful, thoughtful manner, than they have no business wasting our time and should be restricted in their use of the Loose Change Forum.

It doesn't require a great deal of wisdom to quickly spot members who have goals contrary to that of the LC Forum.

Personally I welcome honest skeptics because they open my eyes to new information and often provide fresh perspectives on
9/11.

MM
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