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Bbc - Wtc7; Coming Soon
Topic Started: Jun 19 2008, 07:56 PM (4,669 Views)
Domenick DiMaggio

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Jul 7 2008, 09:43 AM
David Shayler (before he went bonkers) actually did an excellent high-quality debunking of the first one:
everyone should check that out. i was pleasantly surprised to see he used CIT's research for the pentagon section. major kudos for that. too bad he flipped his lid........
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23:30 "it is alleged that it was not just the government, the police and the fire department that conspired to destroy tower 7, people have also pointed the finger at the media...

wow, look, the bbc is suggesting the truth movement is attacking the fire department and the police as well, why not suggest we are attacking all the doctors and nurses too.

...what about the ambulance drivers...maybe they brought in the explosives <sarcasm>
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32:00 every inch of the site was picked over by hundreds of people
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also I noticed when they played the audio of silverstien they edited it so it sounded like he said "pull" rather than the full audio "pull it".
this was clearly to fool the viewers into thinking he could have meant "pull" the rescue workers when if all the audio had been played it would have been obvious he wouldn't have refered to workers as "it".

it was also no great shock that the lumpy faced false messiah/tour guide featured near the end, and they also managed to feature Dylan swearing..

Shameful.....
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Jul 8 2008, 04:28 AM
23:30 "it is alleged that it was not just the government, the police and the fire department that conspired to destroy tower 7, people have also pointed the finger at the media...

wow, look, the bbc is suggesting the truth movement is attacking the fire department and the police as well, why not suggest we are attacking all the doctors and nurses too.

...what about the ambulance drivers...maybe they brought in the explosives <sarcasm>
I was screaming at the TV when they said that. NOBODY believes the fire and police department were in on it. I'm looking forward to the producer being on the Alex Jones show, cos he was after the one he made last year.
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33:46
BBC narrater "using a scanning electron microscope professor jones is able to produce high resolution images of the spheres in the 911 dust, and he was given one sample from brooklyn bridge found within an hour of the collapse of the twin towers."

35:20
BBC narrator "but there is another explanation for the iron spheres - they could have come from cuttting torches used after 911"

can the makers of the program really be THAT STUPID?
do they not see their own contradiction?
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35:17
bbc narrater "and there are reports of red hot metal in the debris"

no! that would be what we called "minimising" the issue.
- there are reports of MOLTEN METAL as well as video of YELLOW HOT metal.
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Barry Jennings is now the world UNICYCLING champ now , BOY HE CAN BACK PEADEL. Now is it just me or did Mark Roberts huge wart have is own fucking heart beat
Edited by illeagalhunter, Jul 8 2008, 05:39 AM.
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dylan avery
Jul 7 2008, 10:42 PM
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Jul 7 2008, 09:07 PM
They totally hacked up Jennings' testimony to make it sound like his stairwell blew after the first tower collapse. That is CLEARLY not what he said in unedited uncut interview a year ago.
I'm contemplating posting the entire interview online.
Go on the cat is out the bag now Dylan
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36:00
BBC narrater - "on the internet there are references to secret formulations of thermite that have special properties"

like references on the internet to secret alien autopsies, you mean that kind of thing ? the internet - its all filth and ufos - do not trust the dangerous internet, trust the BBC and CNN to protect your chosen reality.

there is nothing secret about nanothermite, it has been public knowledge since the nineties.

here is a lawrence livermore laboratory publication
https://www.llnl.gov/str/RSimpson.html

here is a department of defence publication on nanothermite
http://ammtiac.alionscience.com/pdf/AMPQ6_1ART06.pdf

36:36
Mark Loziouex: "I suppose you can keep saying 'what if, what if, what if' and you could go to fantasy land and make up whatever you wanted, its just not real, its not real, the materials and the technologies just arn't there

yeah right Mark :ouch:
the above documents prove you wrong Mr Loizeaux.
and this is not "terrorizing" or part of a "hate campaign", it is pointing out your blatent misinformation Mr Loizeaux. it is not "fanatsy" or "made up" - the chemical signature of nanothermite has been matched with the molten alumino-iron spheres found in the wtc dust, and also matched with samples from the rubble.
It accounts for the observations of "evaporaterd" steel beams, molten metal and extreme temperatures...which your fire theory cannot account for.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/WTCHighTemp2.pdf

further discussion
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/251273/1

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/408644/1

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dylan avery
Jul 7 2008, 10:42 PM
bretwalda
Jul 7 2008, 09:07 PM
They totally hacked up Jennings' testimony to make it sound like his stairwell blew after the first tower collapse. That is CLEARLY not what he said in unedited uncut interview a year ago.
I'm contemplating posting the entire interview online.
I'd say they have forced your hand on this, although I don't know what agreement you have with Jennings.

The program has provably lied in other areas too, and used inaccuarte statements from others, its pretty clear their credibilty is shot.
stick the metaphorical knife in.
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Jul 8 2008, 05:04 AM
also I noticed when they played the audio of silverstien they edited it so it sounded like he said "pull" rather than the full audio "pull it".
this was clearly to fool the viewers into thinking he could have meant "pull" the rescue workers when if all the audio had been played it would have been obvious he wouldn't have refered to workers as "it".

it was also no great shock that the lumpy faced false messiah/tour guide featured near the end, and they also managed to feature Dylan swearing..

Shameful.....
What struck me was the way they showed you the Silverstein clip from a TV screen and they kept zooming in on his mouth, as to avoid showing the viewers his eye movements while he was saying it.

As for Richard Clarke, I don't blame Dylan for swearing, but what he should have brought up was how Richard Clarke accounts of that day contradicts what the commissions claims about Cheney being in the PEOC at 9:58am.

Even though Clarke is defending the unlikely hood of a cover up, his own words actually prove there was a cover up.
Edited by Stundie, Jul 8 2008, 07:50 AM.
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Jul 8 2008, 05:04 AM
also I noticed when they played the audio of silverstien they edited it so it sounded like he said "pull" rather than the full audio "pull it".
this was clearly to fool the viewers into thinking he could have meant "pull" the rescue workers when if all the audio had been played it would have been obvious he wouldn't have refered to workers as "it".

<snip reference to NWO honey trap>
i don't think that's accurate.

at 20:20 silverstein says "...maybe the smartest thing to do is pull-it, and they made that decision to pull" at which point it cuts out.

the full sentence is "...maybe the smartest thing to do is pull-it, and they made that decision to pull, and then we watched the building collapse"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329

so what the bbc edited out of silversteins sentence was "and then we watched the building collapse" which is important for the context.

no question, this is a deliberate distortion, the bbc narrative is a propaganda piece.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_techniques
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Jul 8 2008, 01:24 AM
I find it interesting that Mark Loizeaux says that thermite could not possibly melt the steel in such a coordinated fashion, but at the same time he claims that ordinary building fires could weaken them to achieve the same result.

Oh, and they mention the partial WTC 5 collapse saying proudly that "fire can cause a building to collapse". Too bad we didn't see it pulverized.
Those two points you've made really shows that we as a movement, generally, have a very firm grounding in logic.

Nothing they do can skew our own individual understanding of the truth.

That is very encouraging. :D

That does not mean that the other side does NOT use sound logic, however. What it shows me is that they very logically have come to the conclusion that they must use deception as their main tool.

That deception is what gives them away as evil. We strive for truth, and tell the truth to the best of our abilities on a daily basis in this fight. The contrast is what matters.

I think the new film "9/11 Chronicles: Truth Rising" does a good job of showing some of their deception.

Let's spread it!
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Domenick DiMaggio
Jul 8 2008, 03:57 AM
RE: Shaylor: everyone should check that out. i was pleasantly surprised to see he used CIT's research for the pentagon section. major kudos for that. too bad he flipped his lid........
it's like in the Matrix, where they didn't want to free minds that were too old... some people just can't handle it and keep a sound mind.

they may call US CRAZY, but the fact that we can psychologically deal with all of this evil and still go to work on a daily basis and conduct our lives, shows how sane we actually are.
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Another thing I noticed was the old fallacy from Mark Loizeaux that you it takes months of prep work to demolish a building and I'm sure he mentions the pre-cutting of steel etc etc.

Yet none of this needed now, just damage less than 5% of the building and start a fire....and bingo. You get a building to collapse.

Maybe someone should teach Mr Loizeaux about the new easier method of bringing buildings down.
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22:45
they try to validate silversteins "evacuation" explanation with Daniel Nigro looking very unnatural saying "the biggest decision was to make an evaucation zone around number 7, to pull everyone away to stop the rescue efforts that were going on"

<edit> bbc narrater overlays with - "but was larry silverstein really giving the orders?"

Nigro "...we don't need to ask permission from the owner, no, when we're in charge of the building, we're in charge and that decision would be the fire chief and his alone, that's why i would know there was no conspiracy because for me to be a part of that would be obscene, and it disgusts me to even think of it"

my gut tells me this is setup to validate silversteins position.
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Jul 8 2008, 09:13 AM
22:45
they try to validate silversteins "evacuation" explanation with Daniel Nigro looking very unnatural saying "the biggest decision was to make an evaucation zone around number 7, to pull everyone away to stop the rescue efforts that were going on"

<edit> bbc narrater overlays with - "but was larry silverstein really giving the orders?"

Nigro "...we don't need to ask permission from the owner, no, when we're in charge of the building, we're in charge and that decision would be the fire chief and his alone, that's why i would know there was no conspiracy because for me to be a part of that would be obscene, and it disgusts me to even think of it"

my gut tells me this is setup to validate silversteins position.
Yes the way they dealt with silversteins admission was a 'trick of hand'. In fact if anyone wanted evidence that the BBC is controlled by the government and is part of the 'conspiracy' to cover up the facts relating to 9/11 the way they dealt with silversteins admission is a clear cut example.

EDIT: Even people who do not agree with the notion that elements of the government were involved in 9/11 will have to admit that the BBC twisted silverstein's admission. The issue was he said 'pull it', but they twisted the issue to who was in charge. In short they never tackled the issue. If the producers were not whores they would of tackled the issues face on. For example they would have analyzed what the term 'pull it means', but no they just twisted the issue. This is evidence they are part of the cover up, and if any one can not see this they are insincere.
Edited by Travis, Jul 8 2008, 10:03 AM.
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RE Richard Clarke, some rumor have suggested that he could be the Israeli mole code name "Mega" , whoever Mega is/was worked for both Clinton and Bush administrations, so it's narrowed down to about 6 people, Although it is beleived that whoever "mega" is is still at large in the government, and Richard Clarke resigned so maybe it's not him, either way i don't trust him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsOH2NtxZno&feature=PlayList&p=6711DFCC5E1D539F&index=0


Edited by Reggie_perrin, Jul 8 2008, 10:05 AM.
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RE Richard Clarke, some rumor have suggested that he could be the Israeli mole code name "Mega" , whoever Mega is/was worked for both Clinton and Bush administrations, so it's narrowed down to about 6 people, Although it is beleived that whoever "mega" is is still at large in the government, and Richard Clarke resigned so maybe it's not him-



The entire fucking US administration is a Israeli mole!
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Jul 8 2008, 12:02 AM
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Jul 7 2008, 11:37 PM
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We have nothing to gain from occupying a country like Afaganistan.


Oil.

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& Drugs like Opium.
There is no oil in Afganistan and we don;t want drugs.
I never said there was oil. Oil is the goal. CIA ships drugs to the United States so I don't care what you think we want.
Why would we need more oil. We have already a lot of oil being produced elsewhere. About the drugs. The US government would not knock down is' two tallest buildings and kill three people to get drugs. We already have enough.
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Jul 7 2008, 11:37 PM
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Jul 7 2008, 11:07 PM
We have nothing to gain from occupying a country like Afaganistan.


Oil.

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& Drugs like Opium.
There is no oil in Afganistan and we don;t want drugs.
I never said there was oil. Oil is the goal. CIA ships drugs to the United States so I don't care what you think we want.
Why would we need more oil.
You don't think the Iraq war was, in large part, because of the vast amount of Oil in Iraq ?, probably the 2nd or 3rd largest reserves on the planet ?.... that had nothing to do with the decision to invade, occupy and install a quisling government ? it's not just about getting oil, it's about having control over the oil, essentially if you control the flow of oil, you control the world, Dick Cheney knows all about it-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_task_force
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/bbc-hit-piece-edits-silverstein-comment-in-dirty-tricks-scam.html
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Jul 8 2008, 10:33 AM
Why would we need more oil. We have already a lot of oil being produced elsewhere. About the drugs. The US government would not knock down is' two tallest buildings and kill three people to get drugs. We already have enough.
The Truth, you are missing the underlying facts. Both the Oil and Drugs are not really about oil and drugs in the manner you convey.

It is about control, power, and money.

The oil and drugs is simply a means to that end.
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Jul 7 2008, 11:47 PM
mynameis
Jul 7 2008, 11:37 PM
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Jul 7 2008, 11:07 PM
We have nothing to gain from occupying a country like Afaganistan.


Oil.

Edit.

& Drugs like Opium.
There is no oil in Afganistan and we don;t want drugs.
I never said there was oil. Oil is the goal. CIA ships drugs to the United States so I don't care what you think we want.
Why would we need more oil.
You don't think the Iraq war was, in large part, because of the vast amount of Oil in Iraq ?, probably the 2nd or 3rd largest reserves on the planet ?.... that had nothing to do with the decision to invade, occupy and install a quisling government ? it's not just about getting oil, it's about having control over the oil, essentially if you control the flow of oil, you control the world, Dick Cheney knows all about it-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_task_force
Yes Iraq had oil. Afaganistan does not. Unlike Iraq Afaganistan had terrorists in it. The invasion of Afaganistan was for the right reasons. What would you do if you were the president and your country was just attacked. You would find who attacked your country and fight them.
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