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| Pentagon Medics Thought 9/11 Attack Was a Drill; Another "coincidence" | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 15 2008, 11:29 AM (1,574 Views) | |
| Shoestring | Jun 15 2008, 11:29 AM Post #1 |
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Here's my latest blog entry, with evidence that the Pentagon was due to conduct an exercise on 9/11 based on the scenario of a plane hitting the place. The original is here: http://shoestring911.blogspot.com/2008/06/pentagon-medics-thought-911-attack-was.html Pentagon Medics Thought 9/11 Attack Was Part of a Drill The morning of September 11, 2001, the U.S. Army's DiLorenzo Tricare Health Clinic (DTHC) had over 200 staff members working in its offices at the Pentagon, available to offer primary and emergency care to Department of Defense employees. [1] Following the attack on the Pentagon, DTHC workers were involved with the emergency response, performing triage and treatment in the clinic and at other locations within the building. [2] Curiously, several DTHC workers have indicated that, when they were ordered to evacuate after the Pentagon was hit, they initially thought this was a drill. Admittedly, the clinic is located in the basement and on the east of the building--the opposite side to where it was impacted--and so people there had not heard or felt the crash. [3] Yet, considering that the two crashes occurring in New York made it obvious the U.S. was under attack, this reaction seems surprising. An examination of the accounts of these workers and other evidence raises the possibility that their confusion was because a drill was scheduled to take place there that day. Remarkably, there is evidence that such a drill might have been based around a plane hitting the Pentagon. WITNESS ACCOUNTS Captain Jennifer Glidewell, the chief nurse at the acute care section of the DTHC, has described how she mistook the evacuation for part of a training exercise. Like numerous others at the clinic, Glidewell had seen the TV coverage reporting the attacks in New York. When informed that two planes--not one--had hit the World Trade Center, she said out loud: "That wasn't an accident. That was terrorism." A man had then run through the clinic, looking serious and yelling, "Everybody get out!" Glidewell started evacuating the place, herself leaving with Sergeant Matthew Rosenberg, a medic there. Yet Glidewell has recalled that, as she and Rosenberg saw "throngs of people going out," they were "thinking fire drill. I still had not made the connection." [4] After being told there was a patient in the Pentagon's center courtyard requiring attention, Glidewell and Rosenberg headed there. [5] Authors Patrick Creed and Rick Newman have described, "When they entered the courtyard, the first thing they saw was smoke, billowing up out of the opposite side of the building." They saw a man, "running with his arms up in the air, screaming, his clothes hanging off him like rags." Yet Glidewell thought this was part of a training exercise: "When Glidewell saw his face, her first thought was that it was the best moulage job she had ever seen. Moulage was the makeup medical practitioners put on mock patients during exercises, to simulate injuries." Only as she realized his injuries were genuine did reality sink in. She grabbed her radio and yelled into it: "This is not a drill! This is real!" [6] Other DiLorenzo Clinic employees have also recalled mistaking the response to the Pentagon attack for a drill: • Dr. Veena Railan was examining a patient when she heard the call to evacuate. She recalled: "I was not very sure what was happening, what was going on at that time. Maybe this is a drill because of what happened in New York." [7] • U.S. Air Force Surgeon General Paul Carlton had been at the Pentagon for a meeting. [8] After the building was hit, he'd gone to the DTHC and volunteered to head a team of medics that was going to the center courtyard. [9] As they rushed there, a young sergeant "was under the impression that this crash was yet another exercise." Carlton told him, "I think this one's for real, my friend." [10] • Captain Liza Lindenberg, a physician at the DTHC, heard about the WTC being hit. She was discussing this with a couple of colleagues, "and we were jokingly saying that maybe we should go home for the day because of the incident." She then "heard a thud, like a construction crane, and then all of a sudden people started yelling that we should be evacuating." However, "Not until we went out the door did I see these plumes of smoke and thought, this is definitely not a drill." [11] • Major Bridget Larew had been told two planes had hit the WTC. She realized, "That wasn't a coincidence; that is terrorism." After the man ran through the clinic, yelling at everyone to evacuate, she saw "people streaming by the glass doors as they were exiting the building." She said aloud, "I don't think this is an exercise." After helping an injured victim, she "went back out to the front desk to see if I had other providers because, by now, the people, our medical teams were starting to come back in the building, realizing that this was not a drill and that they needed to be here with us to get supplies and stuff." [12] • Staff Sergeant Keith Pernell saw the television footage of the second plane hitting the WTC and was thinking, "What's going on?" Although he did not hear or feel the impact when the Pentagon was hit, he heard the order to "Get out!" Yet, he has recalled, "We just thought it was a regular fire drill." [13] • Sergeant Mark Maxey Davis knew about the first--but not the second--plane hitting the WTC. When someone walked into the office he was in and said they all needed to evacuate the building, he has recalled, "I just thought it was a routine fire drill or something like that." As he walked out, he "didn't grab anything because, again, I just thought it was something routine." When he got outside, he saw people running from the center courtyard. As he was leaving the North Parking area, he looked back and saw the smoke coming from the Pentagon. Yet he "wasn't even afraid then because I just thought it was maybe something caught on fire." [14] While these accounts do not prove the DTHC was due to take part in a training exercise that day, other evidence further supports this possibility. MORE EVIDENCE OF A DRILL AT THE PENTAGON ON 9/11 Major Lorie Brown was the chief nurse at the DiLorenzo Tricare Health Clinic on September 11. According to Brown, the clinic "actually had our MASCAL equipment out of the storage areas" that morning, "because we were doing an inventory." ("MASCAL" equipment is that which is required for situations with "mass casualties.") Brown has continued: "So there were many pieces that just fell into place and worked so well on that day. It was just fortuitous. It was just amazing that way that things kind of happened the way they did." [15] Sergeant Matthew Rosenberg said that, on September 11: "We had virtually completed our MASCAL plan. I was setting up training for medics, I was in the process of ordering new supplies, and trying to reinvent what we would do, how we would go about it." Furthermore, "Believe it or not, the day prior to" September 11, he had been "on the phone with the FBI, and we were talking, 'so who has command should this happen, who has the medical jurisdiction, who does this, who does that,' and we talked about it and talked about it, and he helped me out a lot." [16] Might Brown and Rosenberg have been implying they had been preparing for a training exercise due to take place on 9/11? What is more, as the Washington Post reported, early in the morning of September 11, before the attacks occurred in New York, Rosenberg had been "down on Corridor 8" of the Pentagon (where the DTHC is located), "grateful for an uninterrupted hour in which he could study a new medical emergency disaster plan based on the unlikely scenario of an airplane crashing into the place." [17] Could he have been studying this in preparation for an exercise that day, which would be based on a plane crashing into the Pentagon? PRE-9/11 PLANE CRASH EXERCISES Extraordinary as this possibility may sound, it would not have been the first time the DTHC participated in such a drill. The clinic had been involved in at least two training exercises in the 12 months prior to 9/11, based around the scenario of an aircraft crashing into the Pentagon. The DiLorenzo Clinic's Action Response Team (DART) had been developing a new MASCAL plan and, for that purpose, participated in several large tabletop exercises with other organizations such as the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and civilian medical agencies. [18] In late October 2000, Lorie Brown and others from the DTHC took part in the Pentagon Mass Casualty Exercise, held in the Office of the Secretary of Defense conference room. One of the scenarios practiced for was a passenger aircraft crashing into the Pentagon, with 341 victims. [19] And in May 2001, the DTHC held an exercise along with the Air Force Flight Medicine Clinic and Arlington County Emergency Medical Services, which practiced for the scenario of an airplane with 35 passengers on board crashing into the Pentagon's west face--the same side as was impacted in the attack on 9/11. [20] We therefore have evidence indicating the DiLorenzo Tricare Health Clinic was due to hold a training exercise on September 11, and that this exercise may have been based around the scenario of a plane hitting the Pentagon. Certainly this possibility is something that needs to be urgently examined as part of a new investigation of 9/11. If a training exercise was scheduled to take place at the Pentagon that day, what precisely did it involve? When was it due to start? Who planned it? And why has its existence never been publicly admitted? NOTES [1] Alfred Goldberg et al., Pentagon 9/11. Washington, DC: Defense Department, Office of the Secretary, Historical Office, 2007, p. 107. [2] Arlington County, Virginia, report, Titan Systems Corp., Arlington County: After-Action Report on the Response to the September 11 Terrorist Attack on the Pentagon. 2002, p. B1. [3] Janet Boivin, "Pentagon Nurse Quells Chaos of Terrorist Attack." Nursing Spectrum, September 24, 2001; Soldiers to the Rescue: The Medical Response to the Pentagon Attack. Washington, DC: Office of Medical History, September 2004, pp. 7 and 111; Alfred Goldberg et al., Pentagon 9/11, p. 107; Patrick Creed and Rick Newman, Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11. New York: Presidio Press, 2008, p. 57. [4] Soldiers to the Rescue, p. 19; Patrick Creed and Rick Newman, Firefight, pp. 57-58. [5] Soldiers to the Rescue, p. 39. [6] Ibid. p. 19; Patrick Creed and Rick Newman, Firefight, p. 58. [7] Soldiers to the Rescue, p. 125. [8] Dean E. Murphy, September 11: An Oral History. New York: Doubleday, 2002, p. 216. [9] Alfred Goldberg et al., Pentagon 9/11, p. 109. [10] Dean E. Murphy, September 11: An Oral History, p. 222. [11] Soldiers to the Rescue, p. 85. [12] Ibid. p. 83. [13] Ibid. p. 111. [14] Ibid. p. 69. [15] Ibid. p. 7. [16] Ibid. p. 39. [17] David Maraniss, "September 11, 2001." Washington Post, September 16, 2001. [18] Soldiers to the Rescue, p. 7. [19] Dennis Ryan, "Contingency Planning Pentagon MASCAL Exercise Simulates Scenarios in Preparing for Emergencies." MDW News Service, November 3, 2000. [20] Arlington County, After-Action Report on the Response to the September 11 Terrorist Attack on the Pentagon, p. B17; James A. Geiling, "Overview of Command and Control Issues: Setting the Stage." Military Medicine, September 2002; Alfred Goldberg et al., Pentagon 9/11, pp. 23 and 107. |
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| Citizen Pawn | Jun 16 2008, 12:03 AM Post #2 |
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Saw this up at 911Blogger, it's very interesting. |
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| JackD | Jun 16 2008, 01:19 AM Post #3 |
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shoestring you nailed it. "high fidelity drill" is one involving smoke, fire, even fake TV news reports to get drill-players more in tune with disaster. Matthew Rosenberg is key. see other post at pilots for truth, repasted here ---------------- Is there a way to reconcile the seemingly 'staged' aspects of the Pentagon with reality? any first responder who has participated in drills knows that great effort is made by the drill-planners to achieve the highest 'fidelity' possible -- meaning crashed or burning cars, screaming actors pretending to be victims, etc. in the case of plane crash drills, an actual crashed airframe is sometimes employed, with fire, and smoke, burning from rubber, motor oil, or kerosene/diesel type fuel. Was there in fact a "terror drill" taking place on the morning of 9/11/01 at the Pentagon, simulating a plane crash into the side of the building? would this help explain why there were downed light poles ini place, why there were various shiny but hand-carry size fragments of plane, etc. and thus an automatic 'plausable deniability' story is built in '"we were in the middle of a drill simulating a plane crash into the pentagon, when it actually happened" The hairs, to quote Peter Power, are still standing up on the back of my neck/ ----------------------------- ------------------------------------- for a plane crash with emergency response, the most hi-fidelity involves set-ups not terribly different from the Pentagon site. meaning, at airports, the drill involves settting up real aircraft parts on fire, various debris sites (perhaps in the drill, a disabled plane hits a bus, etc, a mas-cal drill) -- and whereas a set-up at the Pentagon would seem challenging to stage as a 'fake' -- it would not be very challenging as a drill scenario set-up. Such drills were in fact held at or near Pentagon just before 9/11 -- MasCal Oct 2000, and note that Matthew Rosenberg (sp?) was that very morning REVIEWING documents pertaining to a mas-cal response at tri-care inside the Pentagon... when a mas-cal occurred! http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index.ph...tonight?blog=80 I submit this to answer the skeptics and critics who claim it is outrageous that light poles, taxis, etc would be planted on Rt 27. if they were in fact actors and props for a drill, it is very explainable. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=12584 Edited by JackD, Jun 16 2008, 01:36 AM.
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| Shoestring | Jun 16 2008, 10:51 AM Post #4 |
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Thanks for the comments, Jack D. A plane-into-Pentagon drill on 9/11 would help explain many things. If any of the perpetrators had got caught by their colleagues planning the attack or staging evidence, they could say they were just setting up for the drill. Plane debris could have been planted in the (mostly vacant) area of the Pentagon in advance. If anyone inquired, they would be told it was for the drill. Even fake "eyewitnesses" could be put in place in advance, ready to speak to the press, perhaps under the pretext that they would be acting the parts of bystanders for the drill. And so on. Also worth noting is that, aside from the exercises in October 2000 and May 2001, there was another plane-into-Pentagon exercise held in August 2001. It is unclear exactly which agencies were involved in this. Here's the relevant entry from the Complete 9/11 Timeline: Early August 2001: Mass Casualty Exercise at the Pentagon Includes a Plane Hitting the Building A mass casualty exercise, involving a practice evacuation, is held at the Pentagon. General Lance Lord of US Air Force Space Command, one of the participants in the exercises, later recalls: “[It was] purely a coincidence, the scenario for that exercise included a plane hitting the building.” Lord will also say that on 9/11, “our assembly points were fresh in our minds” thanks to this practice. [Air Force Space Command News Service, 9/5/2002] http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a0801masscasualtyexercise&scale=0 |
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| JackD | Jun 16 2008, 07:49 PM Post #5 |
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The practice of drills, prior to a false-flag op, often helps drill planners understand what the operational strengths and weaknesses are. both good-guy drill planners and 'bad-guy' eventual drill saboteurs would learn from practice, what the communications issues were, which agency took alpha role, etc. I do think that 9/11/01 activities/incidents at the Pentagon involved a fairly SIMPLE operational plan, with a fairly COMPLEX cover story (plus salted trails leading the wrong direction liberally sprinkled) the drill-goes-live scenario gives total operational cover, in case of mistakes. something goes wrong? "oh, we were just getting ready for a drill" it is curious that no plane parts too big to be hand carried are observed at the site. what are the odds? actors like the sympathetic old black cabbie Lloyd, priest Father McGraw, etc, seem to be straight from Central Casting. by and large, it appears that the focus on the outside-pentagon facade events, burning, smoke, etc, serve to obscure what appear to have been bombs goign off (including a 2nd bomb heard by newscaster, and reported live) INSIDE the Pentagon. That's where the real Pentagon story is -- on the inside. But few of us can get past the "did a plane hit, or not" issues on the OUTSIDE, and thus, the hi perps get away with murder.. |
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| Shopnut | Jul 30 2008, 09:48 PM Post #6 |
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Being near or in the middle of a casualty and believing for a moment that it is a drill is not unusual or suspicious. I was stationed on a submarine years ago. One day we were scheduled for section drills (drills the whole crew is not awakened for). I could hear the faint 7MC announcements as I was trying to get to sleep. One of them was "torpedo in the water". As the sub began to shake from the flank bell and dive at a steep angle, I thought to myself that this was the typical way to set up a flooding drill, but that there would not be a flooding drill as the captain had decided to wake the crew with major drills. However, all of that changed when I heard the word "flooding" passed on the 1MC. I hauled ass out of the rack and started putting on my coveralls and shoes as the angle of the boat slammed me against the ammo locker. One of the senior electricians said something about this being a drill and I yelled that it was not as the boat was shaking from the flank bell and the emergency blow. He was not the only one who thought it was a drill. He certainly changed his mind right quick when he got out of the berthing area and saw water cascading down the ladder from the upper level. |
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| Shopnut | Jul 30 2008, 09:55 PM Post #7 |
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There were several large pieces of landing gear and engine parts in the Pentagon wreckage. Photos were taken. The odds are not what you think they are. |
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| SPreston | Jul 31 2008, 09:56 AM Post #8 |
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There is no proof that photo of the alleged 'landing gear' was even taken at the Pentagon. There is no chain of custody of that particular 'evidence'. There are no photos of those 'pieces of evidence' in their original alleged final resting places. There are no official reports nor official tags on any of those parts with serial numbers by any official experienced aircraft crash investigators. Those 'alleged parts' from Flight 77 did not cascade into that little room or corridor on their own. They could have been placed in that area weeks, even months ahead of 9-11 and the area kept locked and secret. Many of the unburned and never-riveted fuselage parts photographed outside were obviously planted evidence. The engine rotor was much too small to be from a Rolls Royce RB-211 turbofan. There was no jet fuel inside the Wedge 1 area within 50 feet of the alleged aircraft impact hole as reported by April Gallup who was there with her baby boy. She also reported no aircraft parts within her viewpoint.
There was also no logical reason to move Pentagon DIA and ONI and Navy intelligence personnel and missing $2.3 Trillion auditors and all their combined expensive computers and equipment and records, into the dusty still under construction Wedge 1 area with the contractors still working and not moved out. Unless they were all targeted for murder and placed there in the under-construction area ahead of time with the explosives already planted. 9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon Unconfirmed 'evidence' - likely planted 'evidence'  Actual 757 landing gear  Tiny rotor - likely planted 'evidence'  Rolls Royce RB-211  http://911files.info/77/pentagon_911_book/first_floor_areas.jpg http://911files.info/77/pentagon_911_book/second_floor_areas.jpg |
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| Shopnut | Jul 31 2008, 03:06 PM Post #9 |
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Why do you think there is no chain of evidence or other reason to believe those photos are not genuine? What evidence do you have that the aircraft wreckage was planted? You are showing an intact engine and comparing it to a part with the blades no longer present. So what are the measurements of the two parts you show? As far as I know, April Gallup has never said an aircraft did not hit the Pentagon. Failure to recognize certain details as she was evacuated (with serious injuries) is not good evidence that aircraft parts and fuel were not present. Can you show me one statement she made; that says she does not believe an aircraft crashed into the Pentagon? |
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| SPreston | Jul 31 2008, 04:43 PM Post #10 |
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Because that photo just pops up years later from a source that is unverifiable. That photo is not even included in the official Defense Department Pentagon 9-11 Book. Seems like if that was real 'evidence', then the Defense Department should know about it don't you think? First they give the BS story that the fuselage nose cone of the aircraft created the inner C-Ring wall Exit Hole. Then they changed the tale to a landing gear made the Exit Hole. Is that rusty piece of junk in your photo the landing gear which allegedly created the Exit Hole? How come it is not visible in any of the early A&E Drive photos? Did it go bouncing down the A&E Drive after exiting the Exit Hole, to bounce through a doorway to hide in there waiting for Photo Ops? If it was bouncing around, then why didn't it damage the B-Ring wall? Because there was no landing gear bouncing around, because landing gear require an aircraft to break off of and there never was an aircraft impacting the Pentagon. You need to open your eyes for a change and use a little common sense. http://911files.info/77/pentagon_911_book/ Was the C-Ring Exit Hole Created With a Military Rapid Wall Breaching Kit Unconfirmed 'evidence' - likely planted 'evidence' Where is the bouncing landing gear? (Click me)  Where is the bouncing landing gear? (Click me)  Where is the bouncing landing gear?  http://bp2.blogger.com/_j1WCY4T_2yI/SCDGZy6NRqI/AAAAAAAACuk/UR_25xKX9j0/s1600-h/2.JPG http://bp0.blogger.com/_j1WCY4T_2yI/R8bjF055z2I/AAAAAAAACn4/0DYeNKKUsFw/s1600-h/AE+Drive.JPG http://bp0.blogger.com/_j1WCY4T_2yI/SCFYIC6NRyI/AAAAAAAACvk/KPpIgA7mKzo/s1600-h/paint+mark+on+a-e+wall.JPG Where is the bouncing landing gear? |
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| JackD | Jul 31 2008, 05:14 PM Post #11 |
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April Gallop sticks very much to what she experienced, heard and saw on 9/11/01. I have spoken to her and heard her speak. She was very clear: an enormous explosion occurred at the moment she turned her computer on. She felt very fortunate to find her son in the debris. There was no jet fuel burning or smell in the E ring area where she was hurt. She walked or crawled out through what she though was a hole. [note: it is also possible that she exited the damaged doubledoors to left of the hole, IMHO] while on the lawn, waiting to be evac'd, she did not notice any plane debris, or jet fuel smell, any seats, luggage, body parts, fuselage, US mail (carried by planes). she was told about the plane by two men in the hospital, later. I dont think April has or would say "i believe no plane hit Pentagon" -- its not her style to speculate. second eyewitness: Karen Kwiatkowski: There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner |
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| Shopnut | Jul 31 2008, 09:15 PM Post #12 |
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So you are saying that you have no evidence to show that the photos are not genuine? You have no measurements to show that the engine rotor at the scene does not belong to flight 77? Why wouldn't the Defense Department know about the photos you included in your post? Is there any reason to expect their book to contain every photo taken in and around the Pentagon after 9/11? There is nothing suspicious about changing stories after a large casualty such as this. As new evidence piles up and new opinions are voiced, then it is not surprising that the story would change. Unless you have more photos with dates/time taken, descriptions of the photos and whether taken before or after debris removal, you are not going to have a precise picture of the story they are supposed to tell. I have not posted any photos, so I do not know what junk you are talking about. So your line of reasoning is, "I see no landing gear in the 4 crash photos I posted, therefore there is no lading gear, therefore there was no plane. This is faulty reasoning. Edited by Shopnut, Jul 31 2008, 09:16 PM.
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| Shopnut | Jul 31 2008, 09:38 PM Post #13 |
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http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/07/interview-with-april-gallop.html This link has a portion of an interview with April Gallup. At no time does she say that she believes the damage to the Pentagon was caused by anything other than an aircraft. She wants those who did not stop it from happening to be held accountable. Whenever I have searched for anything that Kwiatkowski said about flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon, all I can find is the "dearth of visible debris" quote, nothing else. It would be interesting to see what else about flight 77 she learned after 9/11. Does she really know what to realistically expect when a medium sized airliner crashes into a re-enforced building at high speed? The crash of flight 77 was the first time she has seen a crash like it I'm sure. If anyone can point to something similar that she has seen, then please point it out. |
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| illeagalhunter | Aug 1 2008, 02:33 PM Post #14 |
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Hitler said " the bigger the lie ,the easier it is to sell" It dont get any bigger. |
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| Shopnut | Aug 1 2008, 05:57 PM Post #15 |
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While Hitler may have been able to convince millions of anti-semites, he is not convincing me. |
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| SPreston | Aug 1 2008, 06:12 PM Post #16 |
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No Shopnut. That is only one additional reason among dozens why I know for a fact that no aircraft hit the Pentagon. The main reasons which destroy the Official Flight 77 flight path are the proof that the actual aircraft flew over the Navy Annex and North of the CitGo. It is not possible to hit the 5 light poles and fly inches off the lawn and create the damage path through the Pentagon from over the Navy Annex and North of the CitGo. Also it is certain that the Flight 77 FDR and RADES data were faked because the actual aircraft flew across the Potomac and over DC. That loop southwest of the Pentagon never happened. The C-130 flew a completely different flight path that shown on the RADES data which was faked four years after 9-11. This Official Flight 77 flight path position is IMPOSSIBLE from over the Navy Annex and North of the Citgo  This Official Flight 77 flight path position is IMPOSSIBLE from over the Navy Annex and North of the Citgo  This Fake Loop Never Happened  The actual flight path across the Potomac and over DC and back across the Potomac witnessed by many persons   |
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| JackD | Aug 1 2008, 06:15 PM Post #17 |
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shopnut so here's the question to answer "was the damage at the Pentagon, both outside and inside, created wholly and entirely by the crash of American Airlines 77, hijacked by and piloted by terrorists?" if yes, can does evidence place Hani Hanjour, or any of the other 4 alleged hijackers, on board the plane? (ie manifest?) if yes, does evidence place AA77 at the Pentagon, via time-change stamped parts? (ie not just photos or plane debris, but specifically matching AA77) I have yet to see evidence of either. --------------------------- the OP of this thread is "Pentagon Medics Thought it was Drill" -- and we should return to it. |
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| Shopnut | Aug 1 2008, 10:17 PM Post #18 |
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The damage was caused by flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon and the resulting fire. Unless you are going to blame the AA pilots for causing the crash, then it must have been someone else at the controls. I do not know enough about the evidence to say who was at the controls. I have no reason to believe it was one of the AA pilots though. What are time-change stamped parts? |
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| Shopnut | Aug 2 2008, 01:29 PM Post #19 |
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What proof do you have for any flight path? No one has video evidence of the plane actually flying on any certain path. While some witnesses disagree on various details, some say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon. Why does it matter what path it took anyway? Either something hit the Pentagon or did not. AA is missing an airliner, people are missing family members. Pieces of both were found at the Pentagon. You can not say that body parts were planted in advance unless you are willing to accuse the actual victims in the plot. You really think people are willing to part with pieces of their bodies to support a plot to blow up the Pentagon? |
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| SPreston | Aug 2 2008, 02:42 PM Post #20 |
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Why don't you go do a little bit of research before you come in here displaying your ignorance?
Investigation Guides and Procedures http://www.ntsb.gov/info/inv_guides.htm |
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| Shopnut | Aug 2 2008, 03:36 PM Post #21 |
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I know what time-stamped photos video and signals are. I wanted to know what was meant by the term time-stamped parts. Your link contains photos, quotes, guesses and lines of reasoning. There is no proof of any flight path on that link. You seem to be substituting insults for answers. Remember what I said in another reply to you about insults being the last refuge of the incompetent? You seem to be trying to make it true in your case. Bad move dude. Why does it matter what path it took anyway? You really think people are willing to part with pieces of their bodies to support a plot to blow up the Pentagon? |
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| SPreston | Aug 2 2008, 05:29 PM Post #22 |
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Go argue with yourself Troll. 
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| Shopnut | Aug 2 2008, 05:53 PM Post #23 |
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Evasion noted. |
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| JFK | Aug 2 2008, 07:27 PM Post #24 |
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What SPreston means by that is what Boeing calls "Life Limited Parts". Parts which wear out and need to be replaced before they do. I suggest you do a search on Boeing's domain for that term... Note, due to the secrecy since 911 you will not find references to 757's or 767's. But you will for 717's. By the way, stop trolling. |
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| Shopnut | Aug 2 2008, 09:05 PM Post #25 |
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Thank you for the clarification. It is much easier to figure out what they want if they say what they mean instead of saying something else. I am not trolling unless the definition of trolling on this forum is failure to bow down to SPreston's desires and insults. He (?) really is going out of his way to be insulting. Edited by Shopnut, Aug 2 2008, 09:05 PM.
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