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| Firefighters Report Explosions; WTC Task Force Interviews | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 10 2008, 10:36 AM (400 Views) | |
| Miragememories | Jun 10 2008, 10:36 AM Post #1 |
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This thread is going to start with extracts from World trade Center Task Force Interviews that appear to question the basis of the Official Story. I'll continue to post interview extracts of interest as I encounter them. The complete set of interviews (500+) was published by the NY Times and can be found here; http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html Extracts from; WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW Conducted by Battalion Chief Malkin in private Firefighter James Curran Interview Dec.30, 2001 [Firefighter James Curran has just reached the 23rd floor of WTC 1 (North Tower)] http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110412.PDF "All the elevator banks[WTC1 lobby] were kind of blown out at probably 70 degree angles, 60 degree angles, and there is all rubble and spot fires in the lobby. Q. Where did that come from? A. I think they said that the fuel went all the way down the elevator shaft and when it finally hit rock bottom it blew out all the elevators. Q. Is that it? A. That's what I have been hearing. I don't know. I don't think anybody really knows. It was pretty much rubble in the whole lobby walking through. [later in his transcript] I think we were on the 3rd or 4th floor [Stairwell B]when the first person we saw had both of her arms burnt. [Note that this is early, the 2nd aircraft attack at WTC2 had yet to occur and this burned woman, if burned by the plane that struck WTC1 on the 94+ floors had come a long distance.] She was coming down. I don't know what floor she had come down from, but we were going up. [later in his transcript] After the 23rd, actually we were sitting on the 23rd, when--I don't know -- it wasn't the tower going down, but the building shook and vibrated. I was sitting right next to the first elevator shaft, just my sleeve was in front of me. There was a breeze strong enough coming out, it ruffled my shirt and we all just dove into the stairway. Probably I dove about 5 guys just stacked 5, 6 guys out. Then it subsided..." [later in his transcript] "Like I said, I don't know what it was when the building [WTC1] shook when we were on the 23rd. Everyone seemed to think it was the tower [WTC2] going down, but I don't think so. [later] When we were on the 30th is when I was on the phone with my mother and she watched it [collapse of WTC2] live on the news while we were on the 30th...I was talking to her on the news when she freaked. She watched tower two come down ..." Q: How long did it take you to get from the 23rd to the 30th? A: Not long, probably another 15 [minutes]. Q: So the first shaking couldn't have been the plane hitting tower two? [WTC2] A: No. We were on the 16th floor when it was confirmed that another plane hit tower two. At that point, someone that was supposedly Secret Service, who disappeared, we never knew where he went, he said there was a third incoming flight. Q: He was telling everybody that? At that point,...we looked at each other and like well, do we go up, do we go down. At that point it's like well, if it's going to hit our tower it's going to hit our tower, let's keep going up. Turned out to be a false report but we couldn't find the guy after he said that. Q: inaudible question Vanished. I don't know where he went. [Later in the transcript] Actually me and him, we had gone up to the 31st and forced the door. As soon as you took it you smelled jet fuel right away so we shut the door. [the strong unquestionable smell of unburned jet fuel on the 31st floor but no such observation in the lobby?] What's weird is the smoke condition on the floors actually got worse on about the 22nd floor[during evacuation of WTC1]. John Tierney actually asked me, he is in my class, he recognized me right away. He is like you want some air from my mask, because I left mine on the 30th. I told him no, in case you need it keep it, and he didn't make it. He was two guys behind me on the stairs and he didn't make it." It should be noted that FDNY firefighter James Curran makes clear note of the fact that he was certain that the major building event he and his fellow firefighters experienced while on the 23rd floor of WTC1 was not the collapse of WTC 2. He covers this point repeatedly on pages; 7, 11, 12 & 16 of the transcript. MM Edited by Miragememories, Jun 12 2008, 09:19 AM.
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| Miragememories | Jun 18 2008, 10:49 AM Post #2 |
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Another firefighter's World Trade Center Task Force interview corroborates FDNY firefighter James Curran's testimony regarding location and timeline. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110412.PDF [FDNY firefighter James Ippolito was on the 30th floor, at the same time as FDNY firefighter James Curran, when he described what was believed to be the collapse of WTC2. ] Firefighter James Ippolito of Engine Company 28 of the FDNY Interview Date: December 13, 2001 http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110342.PDF James Ippolito:"As we entered the lobby, we -- there was a chief there. I don't remember where he was from. He assigned us to team up with 4 engine, and we were to start ascending the stairs, because there was no elevator service, obviously..." James Curran:"So like Engine 28 is right behind us actually going up. I didn't see any of them until we were going down..." James Ippolito:"before we entered the tower, I -- me and Mike Kehoe, another guy who was working in the company with me, we heard a screeching sound, sounded maybe like a train derailing or something, and what they're telling us now is -- the time frame we saw in the paper, we think that was the second plane hitting. That was once we were entering the building. . . We proceeded to the B staircase, where there were a lot of civilians still coming down, but we had to walk single file up the stairs...." James Curran:". . .we were on the 16th floor when it was confirmed that another plane hit Tower 2" [This makes it very unlikely that the sounds James Ippolito heard in the lobby were connected to the aircraft crash into WTC 2.] James Curran:"It was real slow going up because there were people coming down and with your equipment, trying to squeeze by them and at the 30th floor we stopped again. . . .I called my mother from the 30th floor. I was talking to her on the news when she freaked. She watched tower two come down while we were on the 30th floor.. .There was probably 60 of us on that floor. What companies I did not know. Because I think there were all different floors congregated on the 30th floor...." James Ippolito:"we were taking a break on 30th floor, and that's when we heard a rumble, outside explosion, and I think that was the other building coming down, but we were getting reports on the radio that there was another incoming plane, so guys weren't sure. At first we thought it was the plane hitting, but we at this point -- we knew the plane was already in the building, and we heard rumbling. The building started to shake. We all ran into the stairway, into the B staircase again, and the building started to shake and lights went out.....That chief came down from floors above us. I'm not sure what his name was. He had come down, and he ordered us out, so at that point we started making our way down." James Curran:"Going down I know we had 28 Engine with us....." In summation, both James Curran and James Ippolito state they were on the 30th floor when WTC 2 collapsed. James Curran insists that he was on floor 16 when he received confirmation of the aircraft crash into WTC 2. James Curran was on floor 23 when he experienced; "the building shook and vibrated" and he and several men dived for cover until it subsided. The power remained on. After WTC2 collapsed, the power went out, and a chief on the 30th floor ordered an immediate evacuation and James Curran with Ladder Company 8, and James Ippolito with Engine Company 28 descended B staircase. Because James Ippolito agrees with James Curran that WTC2 collapsed while they were on floor 30, the dramatic building episode that James Curran referred to while on the 23rd floor, must have been caused by some kind of powerful explosion inside WTC1. MM Edited by Miragememories, Jun 18 2008, 11:00 AM.
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| Miragememories | Jun 18 2008, 04:56 PM Post #3 |
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Batalion Chief and Firefighter Discuss the Collapse of the WTC Twin Towers Extract from the World Trade Center Task Force Interview Firefighter Timothy Julian Interview Date: December 26, 2001 http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110386.PDF A. Firefighter Timothy Julian ". . . and that's when I heard the building collapse. First I thought it was an explosion. I thought maybe there was a bomb on the plane, but delayed type of thing, you know, a secondary device." Q. Battalion Chief Lakiotes "I was convinced for a week it was secondary devices." A. "You know, and I just heard like an explosion and then a cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed. . ." [later in transcript pg19] Q. "Exactly. Plus as part of the event, your thought process takes a little bit of what you're actually seeing, because you don't believe what you're seeing." A. "Right." Q. "When you're seeing those towers come down." A. "I never thought they would come down." Q. "No, it's amazing. It's -- " A. "I knew we were going to have a bad situation, maybe a partial collapse, you know, whatever, but never the whole thing. No way. I was in construction many years before this." Q. "No, nobody had any idea that was going to happen, obviously." FDNY Firefighter Christopher Fenyo http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110295.PDF "About a couple of minutes after George came back to me is when the south tower [WTC2] from our perspective exploded from about midway up the building. We all turned and ran into the garage." [a bit later] "At that point a debate began to rage because the perception was that the building looked like it had been taken out with charges. We had really no concept of the damage on the east side of 2 World Trade Center at that point, and at that point many people had felt that possibly explosives had taken out 2 World Trade, and officers were gathering companies togethet and the officers were debating whether or not to go immediately back in or see what was going to happen with 1 World Trade at that point." FDNY Firefighter Thomas Gaby http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110140.PDF "Army was there at that point, too. I don't know how much after, [2nd collapse, WTC1] but there was Army there. That was after the second bulding I remember. The Army was there because Steve told a general that this is what happened, this is where our Chief of Department was, and they had a couple of bulldozers going there already. Q. Already? A. Yes. There were a couple of bulldozers going there. So, basically, I guess, wherever they got them from, they started picking up some of the rubble...." FDNY Firefighter Kevin Howe http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110469.PDF "I remember when 7 World Trade came down and everybody was like shell shocked. I mean this was a 47 story building. We all ran. We were like oh, my god, here we go again. It just gave us the creeps." MM Edited by Miragememories, Jun 18 2008, 06:33 PM.
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| hamba | Jul 4 2008, 03:23 PM Post #4 |
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There were also witness reports that said "It sounded like a train". Is it possible a train brought the building down because someone said it sounded like a train? |
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| Headspin | Jul 5 2008, 07:53 AM Post #5 |
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nobody is suggesting a train brought down the towers  there are many witnesses that do, however, state they heard and describe bombs and explosions going off. Some are on the record as stating their conviction that there were bombs in the buildings. To suggest that all testimonies are intentional similies after consideration of the totality of evidence is intellectually bankrupt. |
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| Miragememories | Jul 5 2008, 12:34 PM Post #6 |
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When you read through the transcripts of the firefighters, you really get a sense of what it was like at Ground Zero on the morning and afternoon of 9/11. Much weight has been placed on the validity of firefighter and EMS testimony, for, and against the Official Story. The WTC 7 Official Story in particular is largely defended by spectacular firefighter quotes. Many insist that the WTC 7 firefighter testimony removes any doubt about the validity of their belief that that 47 story building was in danger of imminent collapse. But did those firefighters really make those statements based on cold hard analysis, drawing on their years of fighting highrise building fires? Or were those WTC 1&2 collapse responders largely shell shocked after running for their lives from the two unexpected collapses of the world's tallest buildings? From my take on their testimonies, after experiencing firsthand, the WTC Twin Tower mega-collapses, the firefighters and their leaders, were for the most part ready to accept with little question, the collapse of just about every badly damaged building in the Ground Zero vicinity. MM Edited by Miragememories, Jul 8 2008, 11:26 AM.
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