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| Question for Christophera; The core | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 9 2008, 08:45 AM (331 Views) | |
| seatnineb | Jun 9 2008, 08:45 AM Post #1 |
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Yo Chris.... Long time no speak... I just resurrected the old classic thread on democraticunderground: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=53560&mesg_id=208621 What do you make of this wall that lines the perimeter of the core;   ...it is visible from quite a few angles:   |
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| Christophera | Jun 11 2008, 03:51 AM Post #2 |
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OMG! seatnineb, ............... such a long time. So glad you are still in there! The photos you've posted are too dark there to see enough unfortunately. Someone had one similar to that, from quite a bit closer, which showed a light colored material splashed out onto the floor. Just inside the interior box columns at the corner was where the light colored material originated. The core of WTC 1 was poured with a sawtooth pattern. Two high corners opposing and two low corners opposing. This made the cast tube resist torsion much better. I believe what was seen there was concrete when a core corner just happened to top off at a floor AND got photographed in sunlight. Unfortunately I did not copy that image. I feel it was at physorgforum or perhaps Lets Roll. Your scan of the of the Oxford encyclopedia of Technology and Inovation that was published in 1992 has been thrown into question repeatedly. Apparently the catalogues online do not list it, which doesn't surprise me.  As far as I can tell many universities are complicit with this coverup. The The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill had a decent page on the concrete core at one time. After I hot linked from my 9-11 site to it, the page went 404. http://www.unc.edu/courses/2001fall/plan/006e/001/engineering/index.html Can you explain again how you found that article, scanned it then posted it at democraticunderground? BTW, a new image has been found that proves the concrete core, for any who know construction materials in a demo site setting, and disproves the silverstein leaked plans all at once. It is the core wall at its base of WTC 1 north core wall and it shows a tiny utility hallway running the length of it at about the 3rd floor. The plans show an elevator there. I've set an email about 6 weeks backs asking for the ban at democratic underground to be removed, but there was no response. |
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| seatnineb | Jun 14 2008, 04:41 AM Post #3 |
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Chris... The library here in cambridge is closed until the autumn.... http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/leisure/libraries/about/redevelopment/cambridge_central_library_redevelopment.htm but they do have an online service........ ......and the book:
..... that this quote comes from: ...can be bought right here: http://www.bookfinder4u.com/IsbnSearch.aspx?isbn=0198691386&mode=direct Edited by seatnineb, Jun 14 2008, 04:44 AM.
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| Christophera | Jun 14 2008, 07:07 PM Post #4 |
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That is awesome seatnineb! I'm afraid I've let the opposition conduct their searches for the book without checking on them. For years now, they've been trying to say it doesn't exist. Goes to show that they will try anything to gain credibility by deception damaging others credibility. The size and scope of the psyops mounted to oppose the concrete core is astounding. Of course, the perpetrators had to make the concrete core go away and started early by infiltrating PBS and getting rid of the few construction images. Then the agents of disinformation extended a major campaign on GNN of ridicule back in 2003 or so, which appears to really had an effect. Here is a piece I wrote some years back that deals with the issue of ridicule and social fears. It's not particuarly eay reading, but perhaps some of that is because it deals with things that are mostly unconscious. The ridiculous images replace the original emoticon that was used.  "Ridicule Replaces Reason." A common conspiracy that is unconsciously participated in is a blight to processes of reason. It is a conspiracy based, at the very least, on each persons natural fear of being ridiculed. It is a campaign with a threat of degradation compulsively conducted within our social communications. Criticism based in evidence is justifiable, political conditions are too bad to justify ridicule based in disbelief fueled by fear.  "Ridicule Replaces Reason." There are those amongst us that react to a special fear and need everything to be clearly laid out for them to feel comfortable. Without that feeling of social comfort, no reason can be openly engaged. There is a monumental risk they perceive in operating with less than knowledge verifiable by its already being commonly used. That risk is that they suffer an immense blow, a drastic reduction of self esteem and worth, if detected using knowledge unverified by others with the same fear. That fear controls them and they cannot confront it. Each of those fearful, must be certain of everything by using only commonly verified knowledge in order to commit to doing anything, even thoughts. "Ridicule Replaces Reason." They must watch the masses and determine by the movements of others, where it is safe to go with all that is done, even their thinking. Vast amounts of knowledge that may be perfectly good, is not used by them because by itself, it proves nothing. This results in their fearful obsession with the position, that; because all this unverified knowledge proves nothing, everyone one should perceive as they do, or in this instance, do nothing, not even have thoughts with that knowledge because the one fearful does not have them, ........... therefore no others should have them; and if someone does, that person should not express those thoughts because that may influence more people to actually use information that is not verified by its common usage. Conversely believed; everyone who does express their thought derived from unverified knowledge, therefore has, in some way, flawed thinking meaning none should listen to those expressions ever. "Ridicule Replaces Reason." Since those amongst us reacting to that special fear must only use knowledge valid by virtue of its being recognized by others as commonly used, learned this method by suffering criticism, or watching criticism inflicted on others, by loved ones, ones respected, whom yet others; of the common group; accepted by those respected, also reacting to the special fear, believed the respected teachers were being responsible by teaching these fearful paradigms of action in this way. "Ridicule Replaces Reason." With regard to reason, all knowledge has a value, some of much more value immediately and others great value generally, and some little ever; it is not reasonable to exclude knowledge because it is unused by a group. Therefore that fearful group agreed that a special punishment must be created. In some ways it could be said to have a purpose derived from the ultimate opposite purpose of all said here. "Ridicule Replaces Reason." When one person says something with a lesson of irony that is very well understood, relative or a truism expressing by axiomatic or analogous means; and another perceives and UNDERSTANDS the expression, they show this understanding by a very complex and dynamic expression that is comprehensive and a product of all that is said so far; they LAUGH. This profound expression of understanding and appreciated was borrowed and converted for use as a punishment for those using unverified knowledge in anyway, even thinking. "Ridicule Replaces Reason." This new method of punishment was named ridicule. Those reacting to that special fear, the one being explained here, had suffered, at the will of those they loved and respected, a reduced perception of self worth whenever they engaged in a usage of knowledge not commonly known. Their behaviors were changed by loved ones laughing at them and those seeing the great power and potential harm of ridicule often were helpless to identify and counter the abusive expression. "Ridicule Replaces Reason." Ridicule is no more functional than using unverified information or thinking but it serves as a way for those who are fearful, to acknowledge and identify each other as having the same fears without looking like they are afraid. "Ridicule Replaces Reason." Edited by Christophera, Jun 14 2008, 07:08 PM.
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| seatnineb | Jun 15 2008, 05:42 AM Post #5 |
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Good work Chris.... This is the oldest web page on the net that I am aware of that mentions the concrete core:march 1998 http://www.greatgridlock.net/NYC/nythr-18.html Here is is a screen shot...... 
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| Christophera | Jun 15 2008, 04:16 PM Post #6 |
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Thanks, The psychology of social fears is not well understood and few write about it or the dynamics that we must contend with if we do not wish to be coerced by such unreasonable fears. That page is right on in some ways, as to the description of the construction sequence/technique. However it uses the plural of "core columns", which is not correct. What did you think of the core wall at its base and the 3x7 hallway running the length of it. The image completely proves that the silverstein plans do not represent the towers and shows a structural feature which can really only be concrete. |
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| stannrodd | Jun 23 2008, 04:40 AM Post #7 |
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Actually Chris it is as well understood (The psychology of social fears) .. the current evolution in social dynamics is rationalised and documented... and is how "developed" the rationale can be per se for the day. It is also actually well understood in terms of recording human development, ... and writers are currently archiving/writing the development of our understanding to date. This is how science works. It is a mechanism to obtain truth and record the process. The Dynamics are usually a result of personal choice and though this is relevant in terms of the "human condition" for a random act it is not representative of the race as a whole. If you don't want to be co-erced into a fearful state I suggest you ingest different information. Stann 
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| Christophera | Jun 23 2008, 12:29 PM Post #8 |
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The duty of a US citizen forbids using lies of Australians for anything. |
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| JFK | Jun 23 2008, 12:43 PM Post #9 |
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Since you feel that way Christopher, take the next 7 days and present your concrete core evidence to the Justice department. Be sure you come back after and let us know your results. |
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| look-up | Jun 23 2008, 02:43 PM Post #10 |
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as if the spamming with pig and chimp faces weren't enough... he also has to offend another admin by making a stupid joke about aussies... |
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| stannrodd | Jun 23 2008, 04:01 PM Post #11 |
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Not only that look-up, I'm a New Zealander and implying Australian citizenship is very offensive. Aussies and Kiwis get on really well but don't call an Aussie a Kiwi and vice versa. We are both very proud nations Christopher. Perhaps you should go back to school and learn something about the planet and those who live on it. Stann 
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| JFK | Jun 23 2008, 04:56 PM Post #12 |
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Kinda like the Brittish and the Welsh.  |
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| stannrodd | Jun 23 2008, 08:03 PM Post #13 |
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Cheeky monkey !! Actually a bit more like English and Welsh ... separate countries. "British" equivalent would be Oceania. I'm sure the Welsh may have a comment about that though Stann |
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