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| Things that make ya go hmmm.; 84 RADES data at the WTC. | |
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| Topic Started: May 27 2008, 11:00 PM (694 Views) | |
| JFK | May 27 2008, 11:00 PM Post #1 |
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OK, we all know that the hijackers of all 4 planes turned their transponders off... Correct ? Well I just got finished downloading 4 CD-ROMS worth of 84 RADES software and tracks from 9/11/2001. In the following image the green dots represent transponder responces while the blue dots represent "search" or just plain radar responces. ( click image to enlarge )  The following image is data from flight 11 ( northerly track ) just before the transponder was turned off. As you can see in the M3 field it is "squaking" code 1443 Edit - I have just confirmed that 1443 is the original M3 code via DRM1 DAT2 Channel 4 ID op @ 12:43:30 of the NORAD tapes.  This image is data immediately after the transponder on flight 11 was turned off.  And this image is the data from flight 175 about 5 miles from the south tower.... The final green dot.  Things that make ya go hmmm.  The zipped .iso files for the CD-ROMS are available here : Software ( 172 Mb ) DISCLAIMER  Flights 11 & 175 ( 121 Mb ) Flight 77 ( 191 Mb ) Flight 93 ( 135 Mb ) Note : The RADES system 3 installation software wanted to install an additional program named "Peek & Poke" which I denied. Edit to add - A nice NORAD audio tape tool is available HERE . Just remember to put the audio in the same directory as the tool... You can extract the files with winrar. A screenshot :  By syncronizing the above programs NORAD found out that 175 crashed 2 minutes after the fact.
Edited by JFK, Sep 17 2009, 11:44 AM.
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| Miragememories | May 28 2008, 11:11 AM Post #2 |
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I'd be interested in hearing what the good folks at Pilots for Truth had to say. MM |
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| JFK | May 28 2008, 11:44 AM Post #3 |
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If you have an account there I would appreciate a link back to here. 
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| Miragememories | May 28 2008, 12:26 PM Post #4 |
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Okay here's the link to my post linking to your thread; http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=13071 MM |
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| JFK | May 28 2008, 01:08 PM Post #5 |
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Thanks, I'll have to take your word for it.  I am not interested in yet another account. |
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| Miragememories | May 28 2008, 01:31 PM Post #6 |
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Hmmm hmmm Well if they post anything of interest, I'll pass it along. MM |
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| JFK | May 28 2008, 01:34 PM Post #7 |
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Thanks.
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| JFK | May 28 2008, 01:52 PM Post #8 |
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Hmmm, Flight 11 was quite a ways into already being hijacked when the earliest of the NORAD tapes begin. ( click image to enlarge ) 
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| JFK | May 28 2008, 02:49 PM Post #9 |
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First mention of "real world hijack" occurs here :
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| JFK | May 28 2008, 03:32 PM Post #10 |
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NORAD is informed about flight 11's original M3 code at this point : From the conversation it sounds like they needed the M3 code to locate the plane's current track. |
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| JFK | May 28 2008, 04:39 PM Post #11 |
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And roughly 7 minutes after flight 11's crash NORAD finds out about it..... From the NEWS.  And they are still clueless about flight 175. Edited by JFK, May 28 2008, 04:43 PM.
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| Miragememories | May 29 2008, 07:13 AM Post #12 |
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Okay here's the best they've offered so far---which is quite a lot. Oh, and Rob misses you and wish you'd let "bygones be bygones". He offers a very sincere, warm welcome to you if you wish to join the Pilots For Truth forum. ________ dMole writes; "I'm not a pilot, but I am a scientist/engineer, not exactly unfamiliar with flight physics, data analysis, and a few other subjects. I did some of the early work on the USAF 84 RADES data last year for all 4 flights, but I was more interested in altitudes and velocities, so I used the .XLS spreadsheet data prepared by USAF 84 RADES for "verification." Another researcher here has more experience with the R3 software than I do, but that person is a writer in Europe and hasn't been around a whole lot. I'll likely be away from the computer for quite a while soon myself and likely won't be around to answer a lot of questions, and I mainly work in spreadsheets as a rule. Since there were no SSFDR's recovered for AA11/WTC1N and UA175/WTC2So, I was interested in obtaining the velocities, lat/lon, and altitude from the RADES data. I needed to use a (now-more accurate) mathematical approximation to find the velocity. My preliminary/stagnant results are linked at: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10499497 There is a LOT of technical information on those charts- I've heard that many pilots have a challenge reading them. I predict that "JFK" will find no shortage of strange things in the USAF RADES data. I didn't look at the transponder times lately, but I believe that I marked them on my charts. I wouldn't expect a logical pattern on Mode 3 for most of the flights, either. "JFK" will want to review primary vs. secondary radar as well: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=8803" rob balsamo writes; Not really sure what JFK is trying to get at, but nothing looks "out of the ordinary" in his screenshots. AA11 was assigned a squawk and the transponder was turned off. UA175 was also assigned a squawk, and from what i understand, UA175 transponder code was changed, the transponder was never turned off. Keep in mind, all the above is according to the govt story. _____________ Hope that helps in your quest for truth. MM |
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| JFK | May 29 2008, 09:43 AM Post #13 |
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Thanks MM, 175 did in fact change the M3 codes several times over New Jersey. Which still does not negate what we were spoon fed by the MSM.... That all 4 planes turned their transponders off. Thus far synchronizing the RADES data with the NORAD tapes I am seeing lots of incompetance and confusion on the part of the people "controlling" our airspace. 11 was WAY off course when they found out about it. I wish the tapes would have begun about 45 minutes earlier.... Perhaps another FOIA is in order. And yes there is an awful lot of data to pour through.... The RADES System 3 software is extremely helpful, but it is a new program ( to me ) which I am just now learning. |
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| JFK | May 30 2008, 05:43 PM Post #14 |
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, 175 being shadowed by an aircraft squawking 0000 M2 and 1120 & 1323 M3 and an M3 beacon of 1470 @ 12:31 GMT which took off from here - http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=37.07805++-116.03077+&ie=UTF8&ll=41.93508,-72.699913&spn=0.005627,0.012628&t=h&z=17 ( satelite view with "show labels" ticked )  What does it mean ? Haven't a clue.... yet..... But the software is cool Edit to add - 12:44 GMT - tail has turned away from 175, Boston Center says they have no one near flight 11 with a mode 3.... I count 4 aircraft within about a 40 mile radius with these mode 3's : 0416 2336 2435 1745 Edited by JFK, May 30 2008, 07:09 PM.
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| JFK | May 31 2008, 08:19 PM Post #15 |
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Just studying the pentagon using the same data as above and leaving a screen capture here for future reference.
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