Shopnut

Aug 2 2008, 12:11 AM

JackD

May 22 2008, 02:31 AM

THE PLAN
Four or more teams were assembled -- or borrowed from pre-existing operations plans, using both CIA cut-outs and private company contractors:

Wouldn't it be much easier to hire about 20 guys and have them enter the USA legally taking advantage of the lax immigration and security rules? Supply them with some basic instruction on aircraft and manuals showing how to manipulate the airliner controls. Take advantage of the lax security at airports that allow edged weapons to be brought on board in carry-on luggage. Knowing that air crews rarely resist hi-jackers is just the icing on the cake.

After that it is a simple matter of finding some of the world’s tallest buildings in NYC and the huge monstrosity that is the Pentagon. If all else fails, crash the plane into the ground if the passengers have the audacity to object to what the hi-jackers are doing.

8bitagent

Aug 2 2008, 07:16 AM

@Illuminate:

What is proven:

The hijackers had a LOT of people helping them secretly in America

The hijackers had HEAVY funding from Pakistani intelligence and Saudi officials

The hijackers were partially guided by Saudi intelligence

The FBI was repeatedly forced to keep agents from arresting or investigating al Qaeda operatives
worldwide, terror charities, investigate flight schools, ect from 1996-2001.
9/11 blame falls squarely with Clinton as much as the Bush regime

I have little doubt that al Qaeda was intimately involved...and I have little doubt they also did not "mastermind" it.

I also *gasp* don't think the neocons were behind 9/11, nor the "government" nor Israel.
I do see WTC 1993 and OKC 1995 as more "inside jobs"

Anyone remember the Rabbi Khahane 1991 murder or Bojinka?

SPreston

Aug 2 2008, 06:58 AM

Great plan Shopnut, except the about 20 hired guys (19 alleged 'Islamic terrorist hijackers') who were supposedly chosen were so incompetent and inept that they would have crashed all four 'hijacked aircraft' into the ground. Then the Bush Regime NeoCON 9-11 planners would have really had their butts in a jam. Much better to go with a good old reliable Military Psyops Scenario and just setup the 19 'Islamic terrorist hijackers' as patsies.

It would have worked except the good old reliable Military Psyops dudes and the idiot FBI and Secret Service and CIA agents assisting just made too many stupid mistakes. And here you are supporting and defending them. Great patriot you are Shopnut.

8bitagent

Aug 2 2008, 07:08 AM

Yeah, but you see...that is not as "sexy" as secret CIA spooks planting massive amounts of SUPER DUPER THERMITE(TM), fake drone planes, hologram Osama, missiles, bombs and Silversteins OH MY!

Remember! Talking about the hijackers is supporting the Official Story!!! (not)

Reggie_perrin

Aug 2 2008, 09:20 AM

What about the Israeli hi-fivers/"movers'/ "art students ? who it seems were tracking these hijackers, some suggest that perhaps that a Israeli telecommunications company had helped stop US intelligence from tacking these hijackers phone calls. Now this really is one aspect of 9/11 that intrigues me, I'm not saying "9/11 was a Israeli plot" from top to bottom, but it does seem that there is indeed a Israeli angle to all this.

Shopnut

Aug 2 2008, 01:06 PM

8bitagent

Aug 2 2008, 07:08 AM

Yeah, but you see...that is not as "sexy" as secret CIA spooks planting massive amounts of SUPER DUPER THERMITE(TM), fake drone planes, hologram Osama, missiles, bombs and Silversteins OH MY!

Remember! Talking about the hijackers is supporting the Official Story!!! (not)

I know exactly what you are talking about. It is kind of like Oswald killing JFK. So many people were up in arms about it. They were (and still are) saying, "How can a lone nut like LHO just buy an old Italian rifle and kill the most powerful man in the world?" It was too small for the CT people, not sexy enough. Those people who did not want to believe that LHO could have done it wanted to be involved in something big. It had to be big so that only "they" were smart enough to show that the lone nut theory was wrong.

8bitagent

Aug 2 2008, 03:26 PM

Shopnut

Aug 2 2008, 01:06 PM

8bitagent

Aug 2 2008, 07:08 AM

Yeah, but you see...that is not as "sexy" as secret CIA spooks planting massive amounts of SUPER DUPER THERMITE(TM), fake drone planes, hologram Osama, missiles, bombs and Silversteins OH MY!

Remember! Talking about the hijackers is supporting the Official Story!!! (not)

I know exactly what you are talking about. It is kind of like Oswald killing JFK. So many people were up in arms about it. They were (and still are) saying, "How can a lone nut like LHO just buy an old Italian rifle and kill the most powerful man in the world?" It was too small for the CT people, not sexy enough. Those people who did not want to believe that LHO could have done it wanted to be involved in something big. It had to be big so that only "they" were smart enough to show that the lone nut theory was wrong.

I'll just say the black brotherhood/global elites behind events like the atom bomb, WW1 and WW2, the Nazis, the war on terror, 9/11, JFK's death, Princess Di, ect work in very mysterious ways.

I personally strongly feel that the "official story" might not be that far off...only that it wasn't an "Arab/Muslim/Middle Easterner" who came up with the 9/11 plan, only used to carry it out. It's so easy to get brainwashed jihadists to "Jihad for Allah" and have all security apparatus' stand down. Get the FBI to look the other way, have Saudi fast track VISAS, have CIA not share monitoring info with the FAA and FBI. People thinking Im talking "Lihop", Im talking NWO Mihop in a more complex and practical fashion.

Remember, that the plans and idea to blow up the WTC in 1993 were found in 1991 in the house of el-Nossair, the man who shot radical Rabbi Mayer Khahane. And those plans came from CIA/FBI provocateur Ali Mohamed who got them from Fort Bragg, and who was training the WTC bombers with FBI informants.

The JFK conspiracy is so ubiquitous and layered, but everyone focuses on "the grassy knoll" and "the back and to the left". They miss out on how LHO ties deeply into the deep state. I have no doubt there was a very real, serious conspiracy that ensured JFK was killed, much like the conspiracy to ensure
9/11 occured.

JackD

May 22 2008, 02:31 AM

A common issue for 9/11 Truth skeptics is "I don't believe it. Surely thousands of people had to be involved in the conspiracy, somebody would have talked."--

Example: an automobile is a conspiracy of motion, but neither the fuel pump nor the manifold needs to know that you are using the car to return a DVD to Blockbuster. The parts just do the job they are told to do. If they don't, they get the sack.

Who has had direct experience with covert operations? How many covert ops involving murder result in a conscience-wracked whistleblower? How many times do insiders, who open themselves up to murder charges, come forward to confess?

A short theorty Moles, Patsies, and Teams.

No team knew anything about the other teams, and thus exposure of any one aspect of the scheme would not imperil the rest. In other words, a classic "cell" plan -- in fact, just the organization type that RUMSFELD accuses the ENEMY of using...

THE PLAN
Four or more teams were assembled -- or borrowed from pre-existing operations plans, using both cut-outs and private company contractors, possibly foreign nationals operating under official cover.

1) THE PATSY SQUADS
these guys are the most important to selling the story:

Mission: direct, control, manipulate, establish hijacker legends and mass public sitings (see Hopsicker book) via IDs, passports, apartments, flight schools, lessons, gyms, outbreaks of public rage, buying airline tickets, planting evidence, renting cars, getting on video cameras, etc. The patsy team creates intelligence leaks to Russian, German, etc intel services, so that Russian, French, etc intel would in turn send warnings back -- intelligence "laundering", providing all those famous "warnings" to US agencies NSA, CIA of an alquada attack (the 'unheeded warnings' hangout) Think Moussaouwi. FBI moles like Dave Frasca. Think Richard Clarke & George Tenet, who were ready to howl "OMG this is Al Quada attack that we were worried about" to every media leak source they could . Think August 6 PDB -- all of that was backstory, a phony biography of a phony terror group -- setting up the legend of the patsy group called "al quada"
(note that it didnt even matter that the names changed, that some clown like "adnan bukhari": was accused of being a hijacker, then removed from list... but he was on the manifest? ) -- the important thing was there were PHOTOS and BIOS to put up on the TV screens, and FBI and CIA officials wringing their hands in shame, as if the PATSY GROUP WAS REAL.


2) THE WAR GAME/ TERROR DRILL TEAM
This is part of the operational aspect.

Mission: write a war game or terror drill script for use on or around 9/11. Involve NORAD, FAA, radar, and paralyze air defense response. Employs a unified, or hidden, or hijacked, command and control. Vigilant Guardian. Amalgam Warrior hidden sub-routine. Onboard aircraft hijack 'drills' by airlines were taking place on United, American Airlines, & these drills intersect with live-fly plane swap and drones exercises.

Think Operation Northwoods plan. Think Admiral Richard Mies. Myers. Eberhart. Think private contractors like ANZUS and SAIC and BoozAllen and NEADs and Global Guardian practicing a fake attack that 'would pose an imaginary threat to air defense outposts nationwide'

The pre-planned drills involved Trade Center area, Cleveland airport, Johnstown, and Pentagon.
No drill team knew much about the other drills. They were not connected. Curiously, some drills went 'live' -- or at least, their were unexpected 'twists' to the scenarios -- and note that in some cases the drill players thought the CNN newscasts were specially-made exercise simulated news broadcasts -- since often military drills include simulated newscasts, evidently


3) TWIN TOWERS / WTC7 DEMOLITION TEAM

Mission: create shock and awe WTC demolition --- this was the psychological kicker to the operation.

They may have been ongoing for months, or years. The team(s) who rigged the towers likely had no idea the towers would be struck by planes, or any connection to anything. Maybe they did not even know what materials they were installing!. Under the guise of quiet 'asbestos' removal, or 'sprayinig on fireproofing' or placing of 'communication linkages' for wireless upgrades, you could lay a lot of thermite, and or devices. Fuzes and detonation were probably left til last minute. Note that Scott Forbes of WTC testifed that the buildings were powered-down during pre-9/11 weekend. Think Controlled Demolition operatives. . Think Kroll security company installing access, controlling access. Think israeli art students renting out unused office space for art projeccts & displays in the towers.

4) MEDIA SPIN AND MOP-UP -- the key to the operation was selling it through the media, hard & fast.

The "cleaners and plumbers"
As event broke, there was quick and hard media spin via planted sources. Rapid response for any foul-ups, both physical teams and media spin. Y ou never know what might go wrong (see: Pennsylvania, Pentagon, WTC7... ) Think Tenet and Clarke's "this has al-quada fingerprints on it" within minutes. Think Bobby Eberle, Gary Bauer, other media shills who work for GOPUSA.com, who work for PNAC, who work for USA today/ Gannett.

. If you spin CNN, NYT, etc, fast enough, hard enough, those strange first-hand doubt accounts fade into obscurity. Try to let the CNN media 'discover' the story. Nudge it in right direction. Suppress the 'wrong' story. Ignore, delay, obfuscate, misdirect. (This was part of the Northwoods media-response plan).

Goal is to get any hard evidence DESTROYED or suppressed ASAP under the pretense of "covering your ass" -- as if the FBI or Able Danger was "embarrassed" about its performance so they "destroyed the evidence take"


The 9/11 ops planners figured that 99.5% of us would fall victim to the spin, in our traumatized mental state, and the other 0.5% of us who somehow saw through the mass deception would be too ineffectual to organize or enlighten the others.

You tell me. Did we fall for it? Are we afraid to organize and enlighten the others who did?


How many 'planners' really knew the whole story?

Possibly very very few, and only a 'need to know' basis. The rest are just loyal soldiers.

No doubt MANY MANY MANY people in the military, at the FAA, NORAD, FDNY etc, have huge doubts about what happened on 9/11/01, but consider the cost of coming forward (see Kevin Ryan, Sibel Edmonds, April Gallop) --- versus the reward of keeping yer sweet mouth shut. Please come forward. We need you.