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| How it was done; four teams for 9/11 ops | |
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| Topic Started: May 22 2008, 02:31 AM (1,628 Views) | |
| JackD | May 22 2008, 02:31 AM Post #1 |
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Dozens of books have been written theorizing how the 9/11 attacks might have happened: Griffin, Ahmed, Marrs, Hufschmid, Ruppert, Tarpley... A common issue for 9/11 Truth skeptics is "I don't believe it. Surely thousands of people had to be involved in the conspiracy"-- Example: an automobile is a conspiracy of motion, but neither the fuel pump nor the manifold needs to know that you are using the car to return a DVD to Blockbuster. The parts just do the job they are told to do. If they don't, they get the sack. who has had direct experience with covert operations? How many covert ops involving murder result in a conscience-wracked whistleblower? not too many. I don't pretend to know how 9/11 was pulled off. This is a guess, borrowed from Tarpley, WoodyBox, and others who have done the trench work -- meant to be concise. Moles, Patsies, and Teams. No team knew anything about the other teams, and thus exposure of any one aspect of the scheme would not imperil the rest. In other words, a classic "cell" plan -- in fact, just the organization type that RUMSFELD accuses the ENEMY of using... THE PLAN Four or more teams were assembled -- or borrowed from pre-existing operations plans, using both CIA cut-outs and private company contractors: 1) THE PATSY SQUAD Mission: direct, control, manipulate, establish hijacker legend and mass public sitings (see Hopsicker book) via IDs, passports, apartments, flight schools, lessons, gyms, outbreaks of public rage, buying airline tickets, planting evidence, renting cars, getting on video cameras, etc. The patsy team creates intelligence leaks to Russian, German, etc intel services, so that Russian, French, etc intel would in turn send warnings back -- intelligence "laundering", providing all those famous "warnings" to OUR NSA, CIA of an alquada attack (the 'unheeded warnings' hangout) Think Moussaouwi. Dave Frasca. Think Richard Clarke. Think August 6 PDB. 2) THE WAR GAME/ TERROR DRILL TEAM Mission: write a war game or terror drill script for use on or around 9/11. Involve NORAD, FAA, radar, and paralyze fighter response. Employs a unified, or hidden, or hijacked, command and control. Vigilant Guardian. Amalgam Warrior hidden sub-routine. Onboard aircraft hijack 'drills' by United, American, intersect with live-fly plane swap and drones. Think Operation Northwoods plan. Think Admiral Richard Mies. Myers. Eberhart. Think private contractors like ANZUS and SAIC. The pre-planned drills involved Trade Center area, Cleveland airport, Johnstown, and Pentagon. No drill team knew much about the other drills. They were not connected. Curiously, some drills went 'live.' The drill players were taken by surprise. 3) TWIN TOWERS / WTC7 DEMOLITION TEAM Mission: create shock and awe WTC demolition. They may have been ongoing for months, or years. The team who rigged the towers likely had no idea the towers would be struck by planes. Maybe they did not even know what materials they were installing. Under the guise of quiet 'asbestos' removal, or placing of 'communication linkages' you could lay a lot of thermite. Fuzes and detonation were probably left til last minute Think CDI. Think Bush/Walker/Kuwaiti Securacom/Stratasec and Giuliani's OEM WTC7 command bunker. 4) MEDIA SPIN AND MOP-UP -- the key to the operation was selling it through the media. The "cleaners and plumbers" As event broke, quick and hard media spin via planted sources. Rapid response for any foul-ups, both physical teams and media spin. You never know what might go wrong (see: Pennsylvania, Pentagon, WTC7... ) Think Tenet and Clarke's "this has al-quada fingerprints on it" within minutes. Think Bobby Eberle, Gary Bauer, other media shills. If you spin CNN, NYT, etc, fast enough, hard enough, those strange first-hand doubt accounts fade into obscurity. Try to let the CNN media 'discover' the story. Nudge it in right direction. Suppress the 'wrong' story. Ignore, delay, obfuscate, misdirect. Goal is to get any hard evidence DESTROYED or suppressed ASAP under the pretense of "covering your ass." -- they did the same thing to JFK's car, by the way. They figured that 99.5% of us would fall victim to the spin, and the other 0.5% of us would be too ineffectual to organize or enlighten the others. You tell me. Did we fall for it? Are we afraid to organize and enlighten the others who did? How many 'planners' really knew the whole story? Possibly very very few, and only a 'need to know' basis. The rest are just loyal soldiers. No doubt MANY MANY MANY people in the military, at the FAA, NORAD, FDNY etc, have huge doubts about what happened, but consider the cost of coming forward (see Kevin Ryan, Sibel Edmonds) --- versus the reward of keeping yer sweet mouth shut. Please come forward. We need you. |
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| mike_abcd | May 22 2008, 07:34 AM Post #2 |
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Nice. I like how you put it. |
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| look-up | May 22 2008, 10:06 AM Post #3 |
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the car analogy is a good one. Someone asks you to paint a fuel pump a different color and you immediately think that it will be used to murder people? I don't think so. Sill, the most outrageous conspiracy theory about 9/11 is the official media sponsored one. That somehow, the most sophisticated defense apparatus in the history of the world, was somehow taken by surprise, and ultimately attacked on US soil by people with only a couple hundred thousand dollars to work with, and even though they all have direct or indirect connections to western intelligence agencies, somehow were acting solely on behalf of the evil Osama Bin Laden (who probably IS evil, although maybe not for all the reasons we as americans assume) It is just as likely that some of the hijackers, and mainstream articles about them seem to indicate this, were just cogs in the 9/11 wheel and didn't know exactly what was going to happen either. Perhaps Atta did. Hard to say. he behaved much differently than the others... perhaps he was their handler? No one knows how 9/11 was pulled off, and the 9/11 commission made sure people stopped trying to understand it. This movement is doing its civic duty to uncover the truth about mass murder. We are doing a good job. No uneducated, unimaginative theory proposed by skeptics can take that away from us. |
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| Illuminate | Jun 4 2008, 05:20 AM Post #4 |
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I'm surprised to see this, most truthers shy away from it. You said that "dozens of books have been written on what might have happened", but in fact none have. They may allude, hint, or suggest to something here or there, but as for putting together an answer to the question "what happened on 9/11", its been seven years and no one has even tried. All these books are just a collection of anomolies or JAQs. For another example, read the "north of CITGO" threads - the one thing they absolutely refuse to discuss is how that flight path a) is physically possible, or b) makes sense. Let alone explain the logic, the reason why anybody would to to such lengths, execute such a bizarrely complex plot (scattering light poles and leaves, pruning trees, dropping plane parts, transporting bodies, faking DNA, etc), all in broad daylight in a well populated busy area? Why? How can that possibly make sense? The standard Truth answer is "we don't have to answer that". Well no, you don't have to, but is avoiding the question helping you? The car analogy is a terrible one. Cars are inanimate objects. The penalty is losing your job? If I found out my company had been complicit in the murder of thousands and organized a behind the scenes coup, the possibility of losing my job would not scare the daylights out of me. I'd come forward in a second. Remember, there are truthers all over the place, all over the world. It isn't dangerous to be a truther, you can make films, host radio shows, tour the country, have conferences, form clubs, hold demonstrations, walk around in your 911 truth t-shirts all day. Its not exactly like being a democracy activist in North Korea. Keep in mind also that people have betrayed and informed on all kinds of violent, evil organisations, for all kinds of reasons, all throughout history. The idea the is some special situation where even anonymous informers don't come out doesn't hold water. I know you're just guessing, this is more a proposal than a finalised theory. But a lot of it is just ridiculous. The WTC demolitions would have been the biggest, most complicated in history and as you describe it (with thermite) with technologies which had never before been used in demolitions. An ordinary demolitions job is a laborious, invasive, time consuming job for experts. You propose that crews of workers who didn't know anything about demolitions and didn't even realise they were doing demolitions were put in charge of wiring two of the largest buildings in the world for this spectacular, historically unprecedented, highly uncoventional demolition. And nobody noticed. This is not a reasonable theory, and i haven't even got to the part about how many thousands of people would be directly involved in these various plots, plus the "watchers" and the watchers' watchers etc. Because someone is watching all these people and keeping them quiet, right? Secondly, all this "cell" theory goes out the window once the plot is executed. It would all be painfully obvious now, wouldn't it? Or don't come forward, just anonymously email what you know. Why doesn't even that happen, after seven years? I think you're doing the right thing - as I said on another thread, the lack of a coherent narrative for what you actually think happened is a huge weakness in the truth movement right now. And I know everybody isn't going to agree on one narrative, there will probably be several. But there aren't several, there are none. Edited by Illuminate, Jun 4 2008, 10:52 AM.
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| Headspin | Jun 4 2008, 07:28 AM Post #5 |
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"doubts about what happened" - very well articulated! someone would have to be really stupid to misinterpret exactly what you mean here. |
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| JFK | Jun 4 2008, 11:06 AM Post #6 |
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I would tend to agree with that headspin. 
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| Miragememories | Jun 4 2008, 11:10 AM Post #7 |
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So in a nutshell Illuminate your saying that because the 9/11 Truth Movement has failed to explain what occurred behind the scenes of 9/11, that the Movement is a failure. My feeling has always been that the primary purpose behind the Movement was to raise public awareness in the hope that it would lead to a proper investigation in to what actually did occur including who was involved. Naturally over the last seven years, many have attempted their own preliminary amateur investigations which have met with limited success and required much speculation. It's absurd to think that if 9/11 was an inside job, and I believe it was, that average citizens with limited resources would be able to easily expose it. The whole success of a plan as grandiose as 9/11 depends on containment. The mainstream media is under control. While the U.S. government does not publicly condone the events of 9/11 it most certainly has enthusiastically embraced the benefits of it's Pearl Harbor similarity. It has enabled the current government to militarily occupy two countries which Congress would never have sanctioned otherwise. We have a major, extremely well funded, secretive government organization, the CIA, that has knowledge of and access to all the political and technological secrets known to the government. Like the FBI (consider J. Edgar Hoover's monarchy), the CIA is well positioned to avoid obedience to the legal requirements of it's mandate. NIST has provided a 10,000 page bible that nicely provides answers to explain why the WTC Twin Towers collapsed. The FBI controls most of the evidence that might reveal clues as to what actually occurred. Potential big (inside knowledge) whistle blowers not only risk damaging their careers and the welfare of their families, they place their own lives at risk as well. It's ludicrous to think that 9/11 could be an inside job and not accept the notion that those that orchestrated it would stop at nothing to protect themselves. Do you really think Al Qaeda had access to U.S. sourced anthrax? Sure the internet appears to be an area that is loosely contained. The 9/11 Truth Movement that is based there is hamstrung by it's inability to do mount investigations that can advance it beyond the superficial knowledge that exists in the public domain. Again it would be foolish to believe 9/11 was an inside job and that no one considered a need for containment of those voices speaking out on the internet. Ask yourself what would be the best way to neutralize the 9/11 Truth Movement's voice on the internet? I would say recruit people to lead a counter movement with a goal of mocking sincere 9/11 truth seekers to the point that the ignorant public would view them as nut jobs. When you can only see the tip of the iceberg, it's difficult to know what lies beneath. Was 9/11 too complex to have been an inside job? Even if arab terrorists were participants in a LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) operation and actually did hijack those four jets and orchestrate those suicide crashes, it could still have been part of a larger MIHOP (Make It Happen On Purpose) inside job operation. The goal of 9/11 was to create enough "shock 'n awe" in the public mind to enable the government actions that followed. To make the towers collapse the way that they did, the core had to fail in a controlled manner. Is it too incredible to suggest that in 2001, the technology existed, requiring only a small number of people for setup, that could achieve the collapses we observed? So far, except for WTC 7, the plan has worked well and containment has been quite successful. MM |
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| JFK | Jun 4 2008, 11:25 AM Post #8 |
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55 minutes 20 seconds. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2833924626286859522&hl=en The "conspiracy theories" will remain until the people who have the answers to the questions raised in the above video are answered. And the ones who have the answers have no intent on answering them. Why do you suppose that is ? |
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| Lin Kuei | Jun 5 2008, 12:04 PM Post #9 |
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I think this research from 8bitagent is excellent and pertains to this thread How 9/11 was done |
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| Illuminate | Jun 5 2008, 01:14 PM Post #10 |
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The movement has failed for many reasons but one I think the failure to come up with a theory for what happened, or an answer to the most basic questions (e.g. "why the hell would they come up with such a bizarre, needlessly complicated plot rather than just, e.g. flying a plane into the Pentagon?"). I mean what could be a more obvious question for the truth movement than "what do you think happened?", yet it is a question people not only go out of their way to avoid, some people assert that it shouldn't even be asked. The hope someone else would investigate, someone else would figure it out. They run into the same problem - the alternate theories they allude to are completely absurd. The government flew a plane - in broad daylight, in a populated area - straight at the Pentagon, then had an explosion go off the moment it passed overhead, and it flew off into the distance noticed by nobody, meanwhile CIA agents did all kinds of vitally important things like pruning nearby trees (the wrong ones), knocked over light poles (the wrong ones), and planting debris (the wrong kind of debris, in the wrong quantity), again noticed by nobody, all the witnesses were faked, all the rescue workers were liars or hushed up, all for what purpose? Why wouldn't they have considered an alternative plan: fly a plane into the Pentagon. This is why nobody wants to work on a truther narrative for what happens - it veers off into absurdity from the get go. That's just defeatism, and laziness. The whole problem with a plan as grandiose and 9/11 is containment. Far smaller, simpler, remote from public eyes plans have been uncovered. This may satisfy you but its really just an escape clause. We invaded Iraq once before, remember, without a 9/11. There was no 9/11 to get us into Kosovo, or Somalia. Which is forbidden to operate on US soil. And technological secrets? Another get-out clause that lets you make up new technologies as needed to form a conspiracy theory. Then let them inform anonymously. Even that isn't happening - after seven years! Drug lords stop at nothing to protect themselves. People still inform on them or sell out. This is a hopeless argument - from the beginning of time people have always betrayed and sold each other out. There is no logical explanation for why it isn't happening here. No. Nonsense. Hire a structural engineer, get some real work done. Hire a demolitions expert. PROPOSE AN ACTUAL THEORY FOR WHAT HAPPENED. There is so much that could be done that hasn't. Then why aren't they contained? 911 Truth is about as shocking as the new Batman movie. Are you just trying to imagine that what you are doing is more daring than it is? Doing nothing seems to work fine. This is circular logic - the fact that people disagree with you proves a conspiracy. Yes... even if all the theories truthers have been going on about for seven years are completely abandoned because they were utter nonsense, well, at least you've got a backup plan. I'm not interested unless you are qualified and write a proper paper to back that up. Anybody can claim anything on the internet. Is it too incredible to skip the science and just assume there is some unknown technology that explains everything? I guess its possible. Why WTC 7? Truthers argue every aspect of everything about 911. I don't see anything special about WTC 7, unless that is just your personal favorite theory. |
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| look-up | Jun 5 2008, 01:27 PM Post #11 |
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nifty logic you have there... cars are inanimate objects and therefore someone asking a military person to paint a plane means that this person knows he or she is helping to murder innocent civilians? Thanks for illustrating that for us. We all feel "illuminated" from your limitless insight. Did it ever occur to you that there are other ways to pull these things off? For instance... What if the military just had United Airlines or American Airlines receive one of their 757s or 767s and told them to have it painted. Why would the technicians and painters suspect that this plane came from the military, first of all, and if they did, that it would be used for mass murder? There is no reason they would. AT ALL. Only the person signing the agreement to receive the plane would know where it came from, and perhaps another person or two. And even then, they would not have to be privied to all of the 9/11 inside info in order to perform their task, nor would most people suspect that these planes would be the ones used on 9/11, unless they really took a close look at hte tail numbers, and even then there could be ways to mislead people and fix the books, so to speak. The Truth Movement by and large, is more reasonable in searching for the truth than the pseudo-skeptics, because we admit that there are many ways that a thing could be done, and we should examine all of them, while the so-called "skeptics" continue to assume that there is but one way and that if it couldn't have been done in that specific manner that it wasn't done at all. Like I said, nifty logic you evoke. The sad thing is that some people actually fall for it. |
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| Illuminate | Jun 5 2008, 03:49 PM Post #12 |
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Oh I see, the fuel pump doesn't know you are using the car to visit blockbuster, so if someone asks you to drop airplane parts on the Pentagon lawn after a plane supposedly crashes into it, you don't have any suspicions. Yeah, that's genius. They wouldn't suspect it. But they would know about it. A lot of them, refitting a plane isn't one guy with a spray can and one guy with AA stickers. Really, you think airlines buy second hand airplanes and its no big deal, like ordering more paper for the copier? These planes cost about $50 million each, i think its more involved than one guy in purchasing. You don't think any of the people servicing the plane would see its service history? Maybe examine it before the buy it? You think the insurers wouldn't need to know anything? Or is that other covered by the "perhaps another person or two". No they would have no reason to suspect before. But after? How many people do you think it takes to actually maintain a 757? How many different systems would that plane be recorded in? How many records would one plane generate? The Truth movement is not "admitting" there is more than one way, they are avoiding the topic completely. YOU HAVE NO THEORY AFTER SEVEN YEARS. |
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| Miragememories | Jun 5 2008, 04:11 PM Post #13 |
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Why WTC 7? If you really feel the need to post that question, than there is nothing I cay say that will command your attention.  MM |
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| JackD | Jun 5 2008, 07:52 PM Post #14 |
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Illuminate falls into the same trap that 90% of us do -- the false logic that says "in order to show that the official 9/11 OCT is wrong, it is necessary to construct, and prove, and alternate theory" -- our brains, trained on TV cop/lawyer dramas, think that to prove one theory "innocent" there has to be a second, fully substantited alternative. false. baloney. to show that the official 9/11 narrative cannot be true, the truth movement does NOT have to propose any alternative, even tho to do so is tempting, interesting, and fun. but for the purpose of dismantling the lie which is the OCT, all you need do is demand that the OCT be proven. show that it cannot be (ie heat caused WTC 1 & 2 to collapse, and plane and fire account for all physical effects observed that day, including explosions, squibs, demolition waves, seismic data, destruction of thick steel core columns, molten metal, lingering 1200+ degree spots, bent & curved metal, sulfidation, thermite signature, pulverization of concrete, and giant dust cloud explanding to more than 5 time volume of tower...) the OCT falls apart. end of story. now, for those that accept 9/11 OCT is false, the question of "what really happened" needs a full criminal investigation with subpoena power and indictments. that is the only way. the given 9/11 story has never, repeat never, been made to stand in a US court of law. 3000 murders and not a single murder investigation? |
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| Illuminate | Jun 6 2008, 05:28 AM Post #15 |
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Yes and Killtown has his favorite theory, and Aldo has his favorite, and so on and so on. |
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| Illuminate | Jun 6 2008, 06:15 AM Post #16 |
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No, you don't have to, you can keep doing what you are doing. But given that the truth movement is going nowhere, you might want to reevaluate your strategy once in a while. Yes but in disproving the official story you often cannot avoid proposing an alternative. Have you avoided suggesting a controlled demolition, for example, with all that implies about covertly wiring two of the largest buildings in the world with never before applied demolitions technology, a building occupied 24/7, given that demolitions require months of invasive prep work by trained professionals? The CITGO people cannot avoid suggesting that the plane did not strike the building, which implies that all of the physical evidence was planted and all of the witnesses are liars and the media plus many, many other organizations are complicit. The current approach is to ignore this. CIT says the plane went north of CITGO and flew over the Pentagon, but won't explain the implications. Did the MIBs really prune trees, scatter leaves, knock over light poles, move the generator, recruit deep cover taxi driver agents? And then fly the plane in the wrong path? Did they really just assume that in broad daylight in a busy area, nobody would notice a plane flying over the Pentagon? And after all that, can anyone explain why they would go such trouble to create a bizarrely complex plan rather than just flying a plane into the Pentagon? The fact is you are implying all sorts of alternative theories, but when people wonder how they could possibly make sense you just walk away and claim nobody has a right to ask. And I think its pretty obvious why - the alternative theories that have been proposed, or alluded to, sound completely and utterly ludicrous. One moment you pretend to be a skeptic and the next you imply something which is so wildly implausible that you shrink from discussing it. I won't venture into all of these, but squibs... you do realise that the only people that think squibs are used in demolitions is conspiracy theorists right? Its obviously not the end of the story or you wouldn't be here. You need to convince a lot more people, and not just the NWO/Bilderburg/chemtrails crowd, if 911 Truth is going anywhere. It quite obviously does not, this is just an excuse to avoid even trying. Except, of course, that it has, repeat has. Zacarias Moussaoui was convicted. In Germany, Mounir el Motassadeq was convicted. This is the sort of soundbite comment that truthers love to make, but its not really true is it? Are you going to convert people by telling them that nobody investigated 911? Its a ridiculous statement, and people would just laugh at you. |
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| Miragememories | Jun 6 2008, 06:59 AM Post #17 |
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Yes yes yes. And you are on a mission from God to show us the error of our ways. The very fact that it's 2008 and people like yourself, with all the fantastic resources at your disposal (NIST, 911 Commission, JREF, Popular Mechanics, George Bush, FBI, CIA etc etc), still haven't been able to close the door on the questions that keep the 9/11 Truth Movement growing, shows how much we have succeeded. My point is easily proven by your avoidance of WTC 7 and your preference for the Pentagon. You bring nothing to this thread but rhetoric and propaganda illuminate. MM Edited by Miragememories, Jun 6 2008, 07:02 AM.
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| Illuminate | Jun 6 2008, 08:52 AM Post #18 |
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I'm an athiest. Of course I can't close the door. Nobody can. Nobody can close the door on UFOs or bigfoot or alien abduction or moon landing hoaxes or anything, some people will always believe. Hell some people still think communism could work. I'm sure that in 30 years there will still be a 911 conspiracy movement, just like there will still be grassy knoll conspiracy theorists and there will be new conspiracy theorists for new events that happen. I don't think any debunkers are under the impression that 911 truth will "go away". Avoidance? This thread is not about WTC 7 or the Pentagon or any specific aspect of the popular conspiracy theories. You are just trying to steer the debate to your favorite theory. The topic is "how it was done", something you won't discuss - which has been my point all along. |
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| look-up | Jun 6 2008, 11:33 AM Post #19 |
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we are talking about the painting of the planes, if different planes were used. we're discussing the possibility that perhaps different planes were used, and repainted to look like the planes they were alleged to be. the debunker argument was that these people would later realize they participated in mass murder. we are not talking about planting evidence. anyone who did that certainly knows what they did.
No one said it was one guy. A team of people painting a plane, not necessarily doing all of the other things you suggest, would have no idea it came from the military. Maybe they thought it was an unusual request or maybe they had no idea. I don't know what the standard procedure is at these airlines, but I am going to assume that different people paint planes than actually do mechanical work on them. If someone at AA told the paint team to paint a plane that was without paint, they might be able to tell it wasn't brand-spankin new (if it wasn't) but they would not necessarily be able to tell if it had gone through mechanical work prior to it coming to their paint team. perhaps if any mechanical work needed to be done to the plane, it was done prior to being sent to the AA fascility to be painted anyways? The point is really that we don't know if the planes were switched, and if they were, whether they were repainted by airline personnel or by military personnel. I think the assumption from debunkers is that it was all military and anyone in the military told to paint a plane with AA colors should later suspect that their plane was used on 9/11. Not only is that conclusion not supported by the premises, but there are many other possible ways to repaint the plane without using military personnel to do it, thus eliminating the suspicion from the workers doing the painting. The point I am making here is that just because you might thing it is obvious that people would know they participated in 9/11 and their conscience would compel them to come forward, that it is certainly believable that people can participate in things and be completely ignorant of that fact. There are entire agencies in our government who work that way. The crack dealers in the 80s didn't know where the coke came from, and they certainly didn't know that they were working for the CIA and helping to support a revolution in Iran.
Well the idea here is to show people that there are ways around these difficulties that debunkers fail to imagine. For instance, if the plane was never scheduled to fly for the airline in question then there would never be a reason to insure it, thus no insurance agents and no inspections. I am saying that very few actual "CONSPIRATORS" would be needed. Almost everyone who would need to participate in repainting a plane would have no idea that it might later be used for something other than just flying.
You are asking me to speculate. I'm not going to speculate about specifics when there is no way to know them. The point is that there are ways to do things that you are simply not imagining, and this is causing you to come to a potentially false conclusion that it can't be done. I think you'll agree that patsies can be blamed for many things. I am saying that the question about 9/11 should not be about whether rogue elements inside our government COULD have pulled it off, but whether they DID pull it off. The arguments that it is impossible are crap, pure and simple.
many people have theories... what are you talking about? Are you saying that everyone has to agree in order for their theory to be valid? Are you saying that there's nothing wrong with the official story just because we can't all agree on exactly what is wrong with it? Since you love car analogies so much (sarcasm) here's another. If two car mechanics look at a vehicle and diagnose two different problems, does that mean the car should run perfectly? |
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| look-up | Jun 6 2008, 11:41 AM Post #20 |
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Very well said. Oh, and illuminate, big foot has been proven to exist, so I hope you can see why people question official stories so much. History channel show called "Monster quest" determined that a large ape-like non-human, upright walking animal does indeed dwell in some north american forests, has hair that has never been cut, and DNA that cannot be identified. They didn't capture one, so people like you will say that is no sufficient proof, but we do in fact have scientific data that proves humans are not just perpetrating hoaxes regarding bigfoot and sasquatch (sp?) I don't want to debate that here, but what I am pointing out is how we can think something is unbelievable, but it can actually be true all along. |
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| Shopnut | Aug 2 2008, 12:11 AM Post #21 |
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Wouldn't it be much easier to hire about 20 guys and have them enter the USA legally taking advantage of the lax immigration and security rules? Supply them with some basic instruction on aircraft and manuals showing how to manipulate the airliner controls. Take advantage of the lax security at airports that allow edged weapons to be brought on board in carry-on luggage. Knowing that air crews rarely resist hi-jackers is just the icing on the cake. After that it is a simple matter of finding some of the world’s tallest buildings in NYC and the huge monstrosity that is the Pentagon. If all else fails, crash the plane into the ground if the passengers have the audacity to object to what the hi-jackers are doing. |
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| 8bitagent | Aug 2 2008, 06:53 AM Post #22 |
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I agree! "How it was all done" is one of the LEAST talked about 9/11 topics, excluding the bullshit "Cheney and Bush did 9/11, and with remote fake planes with no passengers, fake Osama, no al Qaeda, blah blah" Want to know how 9/11 was done? * Redirecting Mujahadeen For Bosnian Jihad * Protected "terror" charities * artificial intelligence, skynet like networks, PROMIS, Ptech, panacea, ect * Dubai baking system * The Balkans war * Drug smuggling operations * Post BCCI channels * Corporations, shell companys(Infocus, Infocom, ect) * PTECH * Al Kifah Refugee Brooklyn Center-Hamberg Cell(Able Danger's focus) * FBI informants in Oklahoma, San Diego, and Florida * Ali Mohamed, Melvin Lattimore and the rest of the WTC 1993/OKC Op Crew *Airport employees, compromised security *Pakistani Intelligence *European Banks, offshore, Swiss, (al Taqwa) *untraceable "hawallas" * Indonesian JI * Philipines' Abu Sayaff *Osama's Sudan network *High level FBI obstruction of the FBI agents *Malaysian intelligence *Saudi intelligence and Saudi royals *Yemense assets *elements of German BND *drug smuggling flight schools *Memphis TN terror cell(WTC sprinkler access) *MI6 controlled mosques *Malaysian businessman Yuzid Sufaat *Osama bin Laden's Sudanese empire *the Darkalazanli-el Hage-Ali Mohamed-Atef-bin Laden network *Khalid bin Mafouz *compromised Jeddah Saudi Arabia visa programs *German elites(CDS) and Mohamed Atta *Russian drug smuggling mafia *Mossad white vans *Chechyn rebels *CIA funded KLA(al Qaeda) Can you say, 9/11=NWO scheme, NOT as simple as "Inside Job by America". I liken it to an NBA Allstar team. Want to know WHO did 9/11 and HOW it was done? Watch the first 6 minutes of the Dark Knight's bank robbery scene. Patsy not knowing who the other patsies are. What are the main mystery hot spots of 9/11 in America? 1. Norman Oklahoma 2. Venice/Hollywood Florida 3. San Diego California 4. Virginia Falls/Vienna Virgina 5. Quincy/Braintree Mass. 6. Las Vegas 7. Portland Maine And worldwide? Kuala Lampar, Malaysia Karachi Pakistan Jeddah Saudi Arabia Yemen Dubai, UAE Afghanistan Hamberg, Germany People should not call themselves truthers unless they know about Bosnian Jihad, Ptech, Ali Mohamed, the TRUTH behind World Trade Center 1993 and Oklahoma City and *actually* do some real research on the VERY real al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden(and not the "they don't exist" bullcrap I hear truthers say) Edited by 8bitagent, Aug 2 2008, 08:11 AM.
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| SPreston | Aug 2 2008, 06:58 AM Post #23 |
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Great plan Shopnut, except the about 20 hired guys (19 alleged 'Islamic terrorist hijackers') who were supposedly chosen were so incompetent and inept that they would have crashed all four 'hijacked aircraft' into the ground. Then the Bush Regime NeoCON 9-11 planners would have really had their butts in a jam. Much better to go with a good old reliable Military Psyops Scenario and just setup the 19 'Islamic terrorist hijackers' as patsies. It would have worked except the good old reliable Military Psyops dudes and the idiot FBI and Secret Service and CIA agents assisting just made too many stupid mistakes. And here you are supporting and defending them. Great patriot you are Shopnut. 
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| Lin Kuei | Aug 2 2008, 07:01 AM Post #24 |
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Welcome back 8bit!! 
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| 8bitagent | Aug 2 2008, 07:05 AM Post #25 |
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Indeed, perhaps Atta was in fact handling everyone just as the MI6 clerics in London mosques or Hamberg mosques. Perhaps Atta's time in Egypt and Hamberg left him a little..."manchurianed". Perhaps, Atta was so compartmentalized, he was doing overtime as both a "muslim jihadist" and a black brotherhood member. hah Certainly, Atta is EVERYWHERE in this op...from San Diego to Oklahoma to Florida to Maine to Vegas to Afghanistan to Germany to Brooklyn. |
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