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Air America Pentagon Debate To Feature Pft & Cit!; Thurs May 15, Debate opposition needed
Topic Started: May 13 2008, 04:22 PM (1,084 Views)
Craig Ranke CIT	May 13 2008, 04:22 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,371 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Richard Greene's show "Clout" on Air America will begin at 9:00pm EST on Thursday the 15th. http://airamerica.com/clout/ It will feature CIT and PfT on the truth movement side but for some odd reason Greene is having problems finding someone to represent the official story side. Imagine that! Our first thought was the popular mechanics "Debunking 9/11 Myths" editor James Meigs but he said he will no longer debate 9/11 ever again. So unfortunately we put the word out to the government loyalist site to see if any of them are willing to step up to the plate. Ron Weik already made a thread there requesting participants. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=113627 He suggested Reheat, Anti-Sophist, Apathoid, Gravy, and Beachnut. Of course whoever is willing to do it would have to be a real human as opposed to a screen-name so I guess we'll see if any of them are willing to put their name behind their claims!
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Aldo Marquis CIT	May 13 2008, 04:36 PM Post #2
Posts: 1,522 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Nothing but crickets and ad homs over at J**f. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=113627
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JFK	May 13 2008, 06:20 PM Post #3
Posts: 3,467 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Looks like pompousroo needs one of these....
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Domenick DiMaggio	May 13 2008, 06:38 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,708 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	i'm still suspended for proving the 1993 WTC bombing was carried out by the FBI, but I was going to ask Ron if they were able to come up with someone other than Mark Roberts who isn't anonymous.......
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Sureshot	May 13 2008, 06:41 PM Post #5
Your glorious Loose Change Forum dictator... Posts: 415 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: 12/21/07	4chan...haha...that site....



JFK	May 13 2008, 07:07 PM Post #6
Posts: 3,467 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	"leetboi" left that in the upload directory here before he was banned.
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Justice4All	May 13 2008, 09:03 PM Post #7
Posts: 32 Group: Members Member #558 Joined: 05/06/08	Typical JREF stupidity: Quote: "For anyone calling in to challenge these idiots just remember to point out that no one is defending a so-called "government position." Point out that such a claim is a red herring and why it is the foundation of the 9/11 Truth Movement's house of cards. Make it clear that the source of the evidence comes from hundreds of independent sources, and thousands of pieces of evidence, and only summarized by the various reports like the 9/11 Commission Report, specifically backed up by the FEMA, NIST and ASCE reports and never refuted, but neither originating with, nor ever controlled by, the "government." Balsamo, by defining the terms as "defending the government story" is just playing to the necessity of having to avoid that the evidence does not, and never did, come from the government. The 9/11 Truth Movement, as you all know, has always had to paint the issue as "them versus the government." They and we know it ain't so. Make them wallow in their deceit and expose them as the dishonest bastards they are. Anyone of you able to articulate that point on air will nail them to the wall on the phoniness of the 9/11 Truth Movement." Fact #1: FEMA, NIST and ASCE reports WERE refuted by many engineers and scientists as you all know. Let's not even go there for the millionth time. Fact #2: FEMA, NIST and ASCE are government funded entities either directly or indirectly and therefore susceptible to influence or "control" by the government. Anyone ever heard of the word "corruption"? I guess JREF'rs need to go back to grade school and learn vocabulary. I don't think these JREF kids are shills. Just incredibly naive fools who do not believe their government could ever betray them. A sad group of individuals indeed.
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Domenick DiMaggio	May 13 2008, 09:20 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,708 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	well a couple of them are shills..... the rest are faux news zombie lemmings. and if they're not defending the "governments position" put out by the government and all its governmental agencies then what do they think they are defending?
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Domenick DiMaggio	May 13 2008, 09:45 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,708 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	rob just sent an email out....lol Quote: Hi Richard, As you know by now, we are unable to find much opposition in terms of professional, civil discussion. We have tried Popular Mechanics and the NTSB. So we have decided to scrape the bottom of the barrel and invite internet "debunkers" who spend their days and nights obsessed with our work (although now they are using the excuse they dont want to give us any "attention" when a debate challenge arises). I phoned "pomoroo" on the linked thread below and he started a thread looking for "opposition", but as you can see, not many are stepping up to the plate and after reading through the thread, you can see why it is "scraping the bottom of the barrel" as its mostly ad homs and personal attacks. If no one does step up to the plate, we can read through the thread on air to show the world how our "opposition" behaves, and we can address the few arguments that are pointed out in the thread. You can find it here... http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=113627 Regards, Rob wonder if they rush to clean their sewer up some? lol
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illeagalhunter	May 14 2008, 02:45 AM Post #10
Posts: 156 Group: Members Member #81 Joined: 01/16/08	Will somebody please record this as its in the middle of the night for me ta muchy
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Stundie	May 14 2008, 04:30 AM Post #11
Posts: 790 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	Domenick DiMaggio May 13 2008, 09:45 PM rob just sent an email out....lol Quote: Hi Richard, As you know by now, we are unable to find much opposition in terms of professional, civil discussion. We have tried Popular Mechanics and the NTSB. So we have decided to scrape the bottom of the barrel and invite internet "debunkers" who spend their days and nights obsessed with our work (although now they are using the excuse they dont want to give us any "attention" when a debate challenge arises). I phoned "pomoroo" on the linked thread below and he started a thread looking for "opposition", but as you can see, not many are stepping up to the plate and after reading through the thread, you can see why it is "scraping the bottom of the barrel" as its mostly ad homs and personal attacks. If no one does step up to the plate, we can read through the thread on air to show the world how our "opposition" behaves, and we can address the few arguments that are pointed out in the thread. You can find it here... http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=113627 Regards, Rob wonder if they rush to clean their sewer up some? lol If no one will debate them, then why not just read through the thread?? What an absolutely cracking idea! Not only will it demonstrate that debunkers are cowards for not defending the official story which they put all their faith into, but it will demonstrate the desperate denial/ignorance and avoidance which debunkers employ all too often rather than face the reality. The idea that they don't want to give us any attention is hilarious! If their case for the official story was REALLY that strong, there would be numerous people chomping at the bit to debate CIT and PFT and take this opportunity to make them look foolish! Why would they shy away from making the CTers look stupid..considering they claim they do this all the time on the JREF Forum....Why would they not want that kind of attention?? Surely it would be good for their cause and the belief in the official story?? Yet.....the silence is deafening! lol Excellent work CIT & PFT! Keep it up! p.s. Can someone record it and upload it once it goes out....I really hope they find an opponent and I can't wait to listen to it!
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Domenick DiMaggio	May 14 2008, 06:24 AM Post #12
Posts: 1,708 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	The Sewer Quote: The best people for this show are John Farmer and Adam Larson (Caustic Logic). If they do it infront of running cameras, they can sell the show as the real world Celebrity Deathmatch. I bet there would be pieces of anatomy flying, even shadowing each other, through the air. I'm actually not kidding about the proposal. Why would Air America need "official story" supporters as counteracts, when their CT friends can debunk them almost just as clearly. Seems the Sewer rats think Farmer & Larson are their best bet...... Wait aren't Farmer & Larson 9/11 Truthers??? Why would the Sewer Rats pick them as their best opposition to CIT & PFT?????? Anyone care to forward that link on to Reprehensor the gatekeeper at 911 Blogger?
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Aldo Marquis CIT	May 14 2008, 10:31 AM Post #13
Posts: 1,522 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	This is pretty sad and pretty typical. Apparently Mark Roberts wrote a desperate e-mail to Richard Greene pleading for him not to have us on but refused to debate us according to Craig. It seems Mr. Roberts wants a separate night for himself where he can explain everything. I don't think that is the premise of Richard Greene's show, Gravy. Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, May 15 2008, 09:25 AM.
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Stundie	May 14 2008, 11:21 AM Post #14
Posts: 790 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	Gravy can explain everything.......lol And that is all he does, it's not debunking that is shit for sure. Why he feels the need to write emails to the show pleading them not to have CIT is hilarious! I mean if CIT are all nut jobs etc etc....why is he worried. It goes to show you the true cowardice of the JREF forum members and how uncomfortable it is for them to step outside of groupthink mentality and challenge CIT or any other claims. Thats the reason why Weick appears to be doing shows with no planers...Easy pickings for them! lol
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JFK	May 14 2008, 06:03 PM Post #15
Posts: 3,467 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Appeal denied.... But thanks for that proxy which I just added to the ban list.
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Domenick DiMaggio	May 14 2008, 08:05 PM Post #16
Posts: 1,708 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: Hi Richard, I just wanted to let you know that the promotion of tomorrow nights show has created 3 other shows if you would like to listen in. Tonight we will be on INN World Report with Tom Kiley on wtprn.com promoting tomorrows show and discussing the excuses being made by the opposition including attempts to censor the show while not being able to step up to the plate themselves. Fri night will be on Kevin Barrett to "debrief" from your show. Next Tues will be Jack Blood on www.gcnlive.com Network One 5pm eastern. The Press Release on OpEd has caused quite a stir. Im not surprised. Regards, Rob Just keeping everyone up to date. ETA : oh this whole working midnight shit is fucking with me...... Edited by Domenick DiMaggio, May 14 2008, 08:19 PM.
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stasis	May 14 2008, 09:07 PM Post #17
Posts: 17 Group: Skeptics Member #565 Joined: 05/12/08	Justice4All May 13 2008, 09:03 PM Typical JREF stupidity: Quote: "For anyone calling in to challenge these idiots just remember to point out that no one is defending a so-called "government position." Point out that such a claim is a red herring and why it is the foundation of the 9/11 Truth Movement's house of cards. Make it clear that the source of the evidence comes from hundreds of independent sources, and thousands of pieces of evidence, and only summarized by the various reports like the 9/11 Commission Report, specifically backed up by the FEMA, NIST and ASCE reports and never refuted, but neither originating with, nor ever controlled by, the "government." Balsamo, by defining the terms as "defending the government story" is just playing to the necessity of having to avoid that the evidence does not, and never did, come from the government. The 9/11 Truth Movement, as you all know, has always had to paint the issue as "them versus the government." They and we know it ain't so. Make them wallow in their deceit and expose them as the dishonest bastards they are. Anyone of you able to articulate that point on air will nail them to the wall on the phoniness of the 9/11 Truth Movement." Fact #1: FEMA, NIST and ASCE reports WERE refuted by many engineers and scientists as you all know. Let's not even go there for the millionth time. Fact #2: FEMA, NIST and ASCE are government funded entities either directly or indirectly and therefore susceptible to influence or "control" by the government. Anyone ever heard of the word "corruption"? I guess JREF'rs need to go back to grade school and learn vocabulary. I don't think these JREF kids are shills. Just incredibly naive fools who do not believe their government could ever betray them. A sad group of individuals indeed. You missed the point completely as the 9/11 Truth Movement always has None of the evidence originated with the government. All of the evidence analyzed by NIST, ASCE, FEMA, and the 9/11 Commission cam from a multitude of sources with no connection to the government. To entertain the fantasy after all these years that hundreds of independent investigators relying on thousands of independent sources of information and people and claim that they "could" all be corrupted is why your movement is laughed at. Talk about naive. Look in the mirror.
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stasis	May 14 2008, 09:12 PM Post #18
Posts: 17 Group: Skeptics Member #565 Joined: 05/12/08	Meanwhile..... Back in the real world, Mark Roberts exposes Ranke, Marquis, and Di Maggio for what they are: http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/lettertorichardgreeneofairamerica I hope you all will soon realize how irrational you guys are. It's rather sad to see so many people delude themselves with your completely illogical thinking and irrationality. After all these years you still don't understand why the real world just laughs at you.
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stasis	May 14 2008, 09:15 PM Post #19
Posts: 17 Group: Skeptics Member #565 Joined: 05/12/08	Stundie May 14 2008, 11:21 AM Gravy can explain everything.......lol And that is all he does, it's not debunking that is shit for sure. Why he feels the need to write emails to the show pleading them not to have CIT is hilarious! I mean if CIT are all nut jobs etc etc....why is he worried. It goes to show you the true cowardice of the JREF forum members and how uncomfortable it is for them to step outside of groupthink mentality and challenge CIT or any other claims. Thats the reason why Weick appears to be doing shows with no planers...Easy pickings for them! lol Cowardice? After all these years you've accomplished exactly what? Please list all your accomplishments for "9/11 Truth."
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stasis	May 14 2008, 09:18 PM Post #20
Posts: 17 Group: Skeptics Member #565 Joined: 05/12/08	Domenick DiMaggio May 13 2008, 09:20 PM well a couple of them are shills..... the rest are faux news zombie lemmings. and if they're not defending the "governments position" put out by the government and all its governmental agencies then what do they think they are defending? You don't have any idea that there is no government "position", do you?
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JFK	May 14 2008, 09:33 PM Post #21
Posts: 3,467 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	stasis May 14 2008, 09:07 PM None of the evidence originated with the government. All of the evidence analyzed by NIST, ASCE, FEMA, and the 9/11 Commission cam from a multitude of sources with no connection to the government. To entertain the fantasy after all these years that hundreds of independent investigators relying on thousands of independent sources of information and people and claim that they "could" all be corrupted is why your movement is laughed at. True... but with a pre determined conclusion.... Therefore skewed from the start.
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JFK	May 14 2008, 09:36 PM Post #22
Posts: 3,467 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	stasis May 14 2008, 09:12 PM Meanwhile..... Back in the real world, Mark Roberts exposes Ranke, Marquis, and Di Maggio for what they are: http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/lettertorichardgreeneofairamerica He's still frothing at the mouth I see.
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JFK	May 14 2008, 09:37 PM Post #23
Posts: 3,467 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	stasis May 14 2008, 09:18 PM Domenick DiMaggio May 13 2008, 09:20 PM well a couple of them are shills..... the rest are faux news zombie lemmings. and if they're not defending the "governments position" put out by the government and all its governmental agencies then what do they think they are defending? You don't have any idea that there is no government "position", do you? Exactly how does "You are either with us or you are with the terrahists" play into that statement ?
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Craig Ranke CIT	May 14 2008, 11:17 PM Post #24
Posts: 1,371 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	stasis May 14 2008, 09:07 PM None of the evidence originated with the government. All of the evidence analyzed by NIST, ASCE, FEMA, and the 9/11 Commission cam from a multitude of sources with no connection to the government. To entertain the fantasy after all these years that hundreds of independent investigators relying on thousands of independent sources of information and people and claim that they "could" all be corrupted is why your movement is laughed at. You have simply made a vague generalization that is actually quite false. Support your claim. List examples of independent verifiable evidence proving that 5 Muslims from Al Quada hijacked and crashed tail# N644AA in the manner as reported by the NTSB, the ASCE, and 84 RADES. Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, May 14 2008, 11:34 PM.
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Craig Ranke CIT	May 14 2008, 11:19 PM Post #25
Posts: 1,371 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	stasis May 14 2008, 09:12 PM Meanwhile..... Back in the real world, Mark Roberts exposes Ranke, Marquis, and Di Maggio for what they are: Excuse me? Nothing there but out of context quote mining that doesn't come close to refuting the independent verifiable evidence we present. This is why once again you refused to provide an example..
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