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Debunking "Debunk 911 Myths"
Topic Started: May 6 2008, 12:34 PM (738 Views)
Domenick DiMaggio	May 6 2008, 12:34 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,977 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	I found this little disinfo site (not sure how long its been floating around)and decided to debunk them since they claim to have debunked CIT. Debunk 911 Myths So lets start with this claim : Quote: At 9:57, the passenger assault began. Several passengers had terminated phone calls with loved ones in order to join the revolt. One of the callers ended her message as follows: "Everyone's running up to first class. I've got to go. Bye." So officially the revolt begins at 9:57. Keep this in mind. Quote: The cockpit voice recorder captured the sounds of the passenger assault muffled by the intervening cockpit door. Some family members who listened to the recording report that they can hear the voice of a loved one among the din. We cannot identify whose voices can be heard. But the assault was sustained. "Some" family members report hearing the voice of a loved one but no one can identify who that loved one is. Obviously the first thing you would ask is which family members claimed to hear a loved ones voice. This would narrow down the options very quickly. Apparently this was never done and an anonymous family member hears an anonymous family members voice so here is proof of the revolt. This is extremely poor evidence especially since the CVR isn't available for public scrutiny, just a transcript. Quote: In response, Jarrah immediately began to roll the airplane to the left and right, attempting to knock the passengers off balance. At 9:58:57, Jarrah told another hijacker in the cockpit to block the door. Jarrah continued to roll the airplane sharply left and right, but the assault continued. At 9:59:52, Jarrah changed tactics and pitched the nose of the airplane up and down to disrupt the assault. The recorder captured the sounds of loud thumps, crashes, shouts, and breaking glasses and plates. At 10:00:03, Jarrah stabilized the airplane. So the revolt starts at 9:57 and Ziad (the non-hijacker) allegedly starts rolling the plane. Well here is the main problem with this : At 9:58AM Ed Felt makes a panicked 911 call hiding inside the bathroom on the plane. He makes no mention of any attempt to retake the plane. He was afraid to make a call out in the open even though it is stated many passengers did so in plain site of the hijackers. From above disinfo site At least two callers from the flight reported that the hijackers knew that passengers were making calls but did not seem to care. So why does Ed Felt go and hide in the bathroom to sneak in a phone call while everyone else did it in the open? Why is Ed Felt the only person on the plane who thinks it would be best to notify an authority of their situation on the plane instead of a family member? Why doesn't Ed Felt know anything or mention anything about the attempt to retake the plane? Why isn't Ed effected by the manuevers being performed by Ziad (the non-hijacker)? Quote: At 9:58:57, Jarrah told another hijacker in the cockpit to block the door. Jarrah continued to roll the airplane sharply left and right, but the assault continued. So if all the hijackers are in the cockpit preparing to secure the door and fight off the revolt then why would Ed Felt have to go into the bathroom to make any phone call? Why didn't he use an Airphone like all the other passengers except for one call from Cee Cee also made at 9:58? Cooperative Research Quote: Edward Felt. [Source: Family photo]A man dials emergency 9-1-1 from a bathroom on the plane, crying, “We’re being hijacked, We’re being hijacked!” [Toronto Sun, 9/16/2001] The operator reports, “He heard some sort of explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane and we lost contact with him.” [ABC News, 9/11/2001; ABC News, 9/11/2001; Associated Press, 9/12/2001] One minute after the call begins, the line goes dead. [Pittsburgh Channel, 12/6/2001] Investigators believe this was Edward Felt, the only passenger not accounted for on phone calls. He was sitting in first class, so he probably was in the bathroom near the front of the plane. At one point, he appears to have peeked out the bathroom door during the call. [Longman, 2002, pp. 193-194, 196] The mentions of smoke and explosions on the recording of his call are now denied. [Longman, 2002, pp. 264] The person who took Felt’s call is not allowed to speak to the media. [Mirror, 9/12/2002] More debunking of Debunk 911 Myths to come.
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Domenick DiMaggio	May 6 2008, 02:08 PM Post #2
Posts: 1,977 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: One of the callers from United 93 also reported that he thought the hijackers might possess a gun. Tom Burnett is the passenger in question and he did not "think" they had a gun he specifically stated they have a gun. Here is a direct transcript from Tom Burnett Foundation Quote: 6:27 a.m.( pacific time) First cell phone call from Tom to Deena Deena: Hello Tom: Deena Deena: Tom, are you O.K.? Tom: No, I’m not. I’m on an airplane that has been hijacked. Deena: hijacked? Tom: Yes, They just knifed a guy. Deena: A passenger? Tom: Yes. Deena: Where are you? Are you in the air? Tom: Yes, yes, just listen. Our airplane has been hijacked. It’s United Flight 93 from Newark to San Francisco. We are in the air. The hijackers have already knifed a guy, one of them has a gun, they are telling us there is a bomb on board, please call the authorities. He hung up. Cooperative Research Quote: The major difference from earlier accounts, is the mention of a gun. The call wasn’t recorded, but Deena’s call to 9-1-1 immediately afterwards was, and on that call she states, “They just knifed a passenger and there are guns on the plane.” [Longman, 2002, pp. 108] Deena Burnett later says of her husband: “He told me one of the hijackers had a gun. He wouldn’t have made it up. Tom grew up around guns. He was an avid hunter and we have guns in our home. If he said there was a gun on board, there was.” [London Times, 8/11/2002] All 4 phone calls from Tom are detailed in the full transcript available at the Burnett Foundation site linked above. It is interesting that Cooperative Research states these calls weren't recorded because they had to have some sort of recording to make transcripts of all 4 phone calls. And his wife is quite confident that her husband said the hijackers had a gun(s). During the 2nd call placed at 9:34 Tom makes gives us some interesting revelations : Quote: Deena: Hello Tom: They’re in the cockpit. The guy they knifed is dead. Deena: He’s dead? Tom: Yes. I tried to help him, but I couldn’t get a pulse. Deena: Tom, they are hijacking planes all up and down the east coast. They are taking them and hitting designated targets. They’ve already hit both towers of the World Trade Center. Tom: They’re talking about crashing this plane. (a pause) Oh my God. It’s a suicide mission…(he then tells people sitting around him) Deena: Who are you talking to? Tom: My seatmate. Do you know which airline is involved? Deena: No, they don’t know if they’re commercial airlines or not. The newsreporters are speculating cargo planes, private planes and commercial. No one knows. Tom: How many planes are there? Deena: They’re not sure, at least three. Maybe more. Tom: O.K….O.K….Do you know who is involved? Deena: No. Tom: We’re turning back toward New York. We’re going back to the World Trade Center. No, wait, we’re turning back the other way. We’re going south. Deena: What do you see? Tom: Just a minute, I’m looking. I don’t see anything, we’re over a rural area. It’s just fields. I’ve gotta go. He hung up. Quote: But none of the other callers reported the presence of a firearm. And Ed Felt never reported a passenger revolt. Who is talking about crashing the plane at 9:34AM, the hijackers? This is answered for us in Tom's 3rd phone call placed at 9:45AM : Quote: Tom: They’re talking about crashing this plane into the ground. We have to do something. I’m putting a plan together. Deena: Who’s helping you? Tom: Different people. Several people. There’s a group of us. Don’t worry. I’ll call you back. The hijackers are talking about crashing the plane into the ground. Tom wants to put a plan together to prevent them from crashing it into the ground. But why would the hijackers be talking about crashing it into the ground if they're telling the passengers to remain calm because they are returning to the airport and their demands have been met? During the 4th call placed at 9:54AM Tom states : Quote: Tom: Good. (a long quiet pause) We’re waiting until we’re over a rural area. We’re going to take back the airplane. Deena: No! Sit down, be still, be quiet, and don’t draw attention to yourself! (The exact words taught to me by Delta Airlines Flight Attendant Training). Tom: Deena! If they’re going to crash this plane into the ground, we’re going to have do something! Deena: What about the authorities? Tom: We can’t wait for the authorities. I don’t know what they could do anyway. It’s up to us. I think we can do it. Deena: What do you want me to do? Tom: Pray, Deena, just pray. Deena: (after a long pause) I love you. Tom: Don’t worry, we’re going to do something. He hung up Quote: One recipient of a call from the aircraft recounted specifically asking her caller whether the hijackers had guns. The passenger replied that he did not see one. Not quite sure what this was in reference to after a bit of digging I come across the following obscure quote : wtv-zone Quote: Lyz (Glick) asked if the hijackers had machine guns. "No machine guns, just knives," Jeremy (Glick) answered. So Jeremy Glick did not see any machine guns. Machine guns are way more noticable than a handgun. Its safe to assume if the hijackers had smuggled gun(s) on board they would have gone for something smaller than a machine gun which would be a little harder to conceal. Quote: No evidence of firearms or of their identifiable remains was found at the aircraft's crash site, Yes but the people who arrived at the crash site will tell you there was no evidence of a plane either. Quote: and the cockpit voice recorder gives no indication of a gun being fired or mentioned at any time. CVR not available for public scrutiny. Quote: We believe that if the hijackers had possessed a gun, they would have used it in the flight's last minutes as the passengers fought back. Well the final 3 minutes are mysteriously absent from the CVR. What Really Happened Quote: Let's start in 2002: Three-minute discrepancy in tape Cockpit voice recording ends before Flight 93's official time of impact [Extracts] THE FINAL three minutes of hijacked United Flight 93 are still a mystery more than a year after it crashed in western Pennsylvania - even to grieving relatives who sought comfort in listening to its cockpit tapes in April. A Daily News investigation has found a roughly three-minute gap between the time the tape goes silent - according to government-prepared transcripts - and the time that top scientists have pinpointed for the crash. Several leading seismologists agree that Flight 93 crashed last Sept. 11 at 10:06:05 a.m., give or take a couple of seconds. Family members allowed to hear the cockpit voice recorder in Princeton, N.J., last spring were told it stopped just after 10:03. The FBI and other agencies refused repeated requests to explain the discrepancy. But the relatives of Flight 93 passengers who heard the cockpit tape April 18 at a Princeton hotel said government officials laid out a timetable for the crash in a briefing and in a transcript that accompanied the recording. Relatives later reported they heard sounds of an on-board struggle beginning at 9:58 a.m., but there was a final "rushing sound" at 10:03, and the tape fell silent. Vaughn Hoglan, the uncle of passenger Mark Bingham, said by phone from California that near the end there are shouts of "pull up, pull up," but the end of the tape "is inferred - there's no impact." [Philadelphia Daily News, 9/16/2002] Shouts to "pull up"? That wouldn't be Al Qaeda. Tom Burnett tells us Al Qaeda planned on crashing the plane into the ground at 9:34. Sounds like the cockpit revolt was successful. Quote: Okay, so the above article states that seismologists agreed that Flight 93 crashed at 10:06 a.m., the last three minutes of the cockpit tape were missing, there is a mention of a struggle, but no mention of maniacal hijackers, and the tape ended with a "rushing sound". Let's move on to 2004: The passengers continued with their assault, trying to break through the cockpit door. At 10:02 a.m. and 23 seconds, a hijacker said, "Pull it down! Pull it down!" "The hijackers remained at the controls but must have judged that the passengers were only seconds from overcoming them," the report concludes. "The airplane headed down; the control wheel was turned hard to the right. The airplane rolled onto its back, and one of the hijackers began shouting, Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.' "With the sounds of the passenger counter-attack continuing, the aircraft plowed into an empty field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 580 miles per hour, about 20 minutes' flying time from Washington, D.C." [CNN, 7/23/2004] The story has completely changed. The 10:06 a.m. seismic event has completely disappeared and we are told that maniacal hijackers on the verge of being overwhelmed by passengers counter attacking whilst the plane was flying upside down flew the plane into the ground at 10:03 a.m. with one of them shouting "Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest." Now let's move on to 2006: Three minutes after 10 a.m., passengers seem to be breaking through the cockpit door, fighting with the hijackers in a futile effort to take back the throttle. "Go! Go!" they encourage one another. "Move! Move!" But the terrorists have flipped the plane upside down. They spin it downward. "Shall we finish it off?" a hijacker asks in Arabic. n its final plunge, the hijackers shout over and over in Arabic: "Allah is the greatest! Allah is the greatest!" [SFGate, 4/13/2006] Now ALL of the hijackers are shouting "Allah is the greatest! Allah is the greatest!" Why do I get the feeling that the last minutes of Flight 93's CVR are fabricated? What happened to people shouting "Pull up! Pull up!" in English?
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Domenick DiMaggio	May 6 2008, 03:07 PM Post #3
Posts: 1,977 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	From this disinfo site : Quote: Lee Purbaugh He was working at the Rollock Inc. scrapyard on a ridge overlooking the point of impact, less than half a mile away. "I heard this real loud noise coming over my head, I looked up and it was Flight 93, barely 50ft above me. It was coming down in a 45 degree and rocking from side to side. Then the nose suddenly dipped and it just crashed into the ground. There was this big fireball and then a huge cloud of smoke." But did he see another plane? "Yes, there was another plane," Lee said. "I didn't get a good look but it was white and it circled the area about twice and then it flew off over the horizon."[7] [this was a Falcon 20 business jet; it's pilot was asked to check on Flight 93 and get coordinates of the crash site] Lee Purbaugh is less than a half a mile away from the crash site. If he was working at the scrapyard it's safe to say he was even closer than that. So why wouldn't Lee be able to get a clear view of a Dassault Falcon 20 Jet? That would be because this site is pushing disinfo. There was no Dassault Falcon 20 Jet at the crash site at the exact moment of the crash. What was there though was the small white UAV witnessed and described in detail by Susan McElwain. That was the small plane that circled the crash site a couple times and then flew off in the direction of the sun that morning. Again more garbage from Debunk911Myths.com
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Domenick DiMaggio	May 6 2008, 03:13 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,977 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	The site references the following witnesses : Tom Fritz Rose Goodwin (Witnessed aftermath only) Bruce Grine (Describes crash shaking his station - saw nothing) Rick King (Saw nothing - apparently Jody Walsh his sister describes the plane to him) Knoll and Nevin Lambert (Nevin Lambert has multiple stories and loves to tell them. He is a nice lonely old man but I have reason to suspect he didn't witness anything) Karl Landis Anna McBride Eric Peterson Viola Saylor John Walsh (Witnessed aftermath only) Joe Wilt (Witnessed aftermath only) I plan on contacting the above witnesses to clarify their accounts. So we'll see how this plays out in the months ahead.
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22205	May 14 2008, 05:07 AM Post #5
Arlingtonian Posts: 443 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: 01/14/08	dom, i thought you might like to know who is behind that site (its registered by proxy so it took awhile to find out): -she goes by the moniker "Kryptos" at jref, -she was wikipedia admin "KMF164", -she currently is wikipedia admin "Aude Vivere" (recently abbreviated to "Aude"), -she is an internet source of a subtantial number of photographs (used on a variety of sites) credited to "KMF164" and "Aude Vivere", (check Flickr for her kmf albums - sample album with pics of Avery & M.Roberts at GZ) -she is a contract employee of the NIJ/DOJ (national institutes of justice/dept.of justice). hi aude/kmf164/kryptos! please dont have the feds arrest me, all the info i found exists in the public domain, so im no alqueda agent. you might wanna shut down the site of one of the disgruntled ex-wiki admins however, cuz it was thru his site that i was able to ascertain that you are in fact KMF164 and that you work for the DOJ (i then confirmed that info at the NIJ directory). the rest of the internet trail is of your own doing, so you might wanna scrub it somewhat... that is if you prefer to continue as an anonymous skeptic online. please note that i have not posted any links to substantiate my claims, and that is strictly to protect k's actual identity (im not trying to mess in any way with actual gov. employees). if anyone is so inclined - they can do their own search to find out more. but i want the record to be clear, i am not sharing anything specific about k's actual identity with anyone (here or in private). i am simply trying to walk a fine line where i look out for k's best interest in hopes that she will better secure her cyber profile so that it wont pose any liability to her (probably a protocol of her job) - WHILE simultaneously managing to still expose the fact that the debunker site (from the OP) is registered to and run by an employee of the government, who could very well have either a vested interest in, or blind allegiance to the official story; both of which are implications that pop up quite often when observing the debunk society's confirmation bias, which in turn may (possibly) apply here when examining any assertions made by said debunker site. peace Edited by 22205, May 14 2008, 05:08 AM.



SPreston	May 14 2008, 07:40 AM Post #6
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	Domenick DiMaggio I found this little disinfo site (not sure how long its been floating around)and decided to debunk them since they claim to have debunked CIT. Domenick DiMaggio Lee Purbaugh is less than a half a mile away from the crash site. If he was working at the scrapyard it's safe to say he was even closer than that. So why wouldn't Lee be able to get a clear view of a Dassault Falcon 20 Jet? That would be because this site is pushing disinfo. There was no Dassault Falcon 20 Jet at the crash site at the exact moment of the crash. 22205 i thought you might like to know who is behind that site (its registered by proxy so it took awhile to find out): -she goes by the moniker "Kryptos" at jref, -she was wikipedia admin "KMF164", -she currently is wikipedia admin "Aude Vivere" (recently abbreviated to "Aude"), -she is an internet source of a subtantial number of photographs (used on a variety of sites) credited to "KMF164" and "Aude Vivere", (check Flickr for her kmf albums - sample album with pics of Avery & M.Roberts at GZ) -she is a contract employee of the NIJ/DOJ (national institutes of justice/dept.of justice). So in other words, debunk911myths.org is a Department of Justice website masquerading as an independent investigation site, dedicated to spreading more disinformation and protecting the status quo. Thus Kryptos / KMF164 / Aude Vivere is a government agent working at the government loyalist site and at wikipedia and at this debunk911myths disinformation center, and is working against 9-11 Truthers and the American people to cover up treason and murder against our own citizens. Surprise surprise surprise. "Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. It is a force, like fire: a dangerous servant and a terrible master". ~ George Washington p1789-1797 "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." ~Thomas Jefferson p1801-1809 "Sarah, if the people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." ~ George H W Bush p1989-1993 The Commander in Chief in action on 9 -11 doing what Dubya does best - NOTHING. Edited by SPreston, May 14 2008, 07:49 AM.



Domenick DiMaggio	May 15 2008, 03:11 AM Post #7
Posts: 1,977 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	great work gentlemen.
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22205	May 15 2008, 06:20 AM Post #8
Arlingtonian Posts: 443 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: 01/14/08	dom, you're welcome. preston i agree, with one minor stipulation: i dont think the department of justice would OPENLY encourage their employees to push the government's official story. im sure they approve of sites like debunking911 and arent against such actions on the part of their employees, but i think that on the record they (DOJ) would not explicitly tell their employees to do such a thing. off the record however, i think what they want is plausible deniability, meaning that IF one of their employees is out there pushing the official story, such an employee should make sure to the darndest of his/her ability, to stay ANONYMOUS so that it does not become publicly known due to the obvious implications of conflict of interest. of course im sure thats what KMF168's intentions were (to stay anonymous), but she gets a failing grade in succeeding at 100% anonimity. frankly its a matter of the government loyalists (i dont mean jref necessarily) having caused too much of a stir when they overtook wikipedia. thats how i found out about kmf, and it was a result of a group of disgruntled wiki admins/editors, who were basically pushed out of their positions (especially regarding edits made to 9/11 related facts presented on wiki). these disgruntled ex-admins cried foul and went on the offensive exposing that at least 7 government employees managed to gain rank within the wiki world, and slowly begin to shape information to their liking, regardless of objections and edits made by those seeking OBJECTIVITY on wiki. there are only 1500 or so wiki admins, and who knows how many of them are devoted to information not related to 9/11. but it seems the crowd that IS involved with such edits, has been taking over by those loyal to the official version, and it is they who have ultimately succeeded in controlling information about, and consequently public (lazy researchers') perception about 9/11. of course real researchers never take WIKI's word for anything and use it as a guide, but many users of wiki worldwide rely only on wiki for their information. thus these loyalists have gained a major victory in having overtaken wikipedia, a fact that most people (even pursuers of truth) are unaware of. next time you find an article on wiki, click the link on the left that says "related changes" for a glimpse of the most recent changes. as an example, here are list of aude vivere's edits as admin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AudeVivere notice how many are related to 9/11? anyway, its real deep and complex and i have only recently become aware of this information warfare thats going on at wiki, so i am only qualified to give a cursory explanation of whats involved. there are entire forums (example: http://wikipediareview.com/index.php? ) devoted to watching wiki and keeping up with its goings-ons, so its not a topic one can fully appreciate the magnitude of in one sitting. but i find extremely important to share this, since many take for granted or are unintentionally ignorant of this wiki battle, which in turn is why the loyalists have (almost) won the war over there. on the other hand preston, Kryptos might actually be (at least on her way to becoming) an operative. the name "kryptos" belongs to a piece of artwork at the cia headquarters in langley, and consists of some extremely hard to crack code. the jref user "kryptos" also lists Langley as her locale on jref. perhaps she (currently) is a wannabe that is trying to get the proper "street cred" thru extracurricular contributions such as the 911debunking site she has registered and maintains. the one reason i give the idea of her being potential agent material any credence is that she has been learning ARABIC at the middle east institute here in DC. her fluency in a middle eastern language, and her law enforcement background would make her useful for many "official" purposes, wether she is directly operating (currently) as an official agent or not. so professionally speaking, our friend Kryptos is certainly headed places. but wether or not she gets orders from above to disseminate propaganda, the net results of her online activities are the same: pushing the official government story.



SPreston	May 15 2008, 11:30 AM Post #9
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	22205 preston i agree, with one minor stipulation: i dont think the department of justice would OPENLY encourage their employees to push the government's official story. im sure they approve of sites like debunking911 and arent against such actions on the part of their employees, but i think that on the record they (DOJ) would not explicitly tell their employees to do such a thing. off the record however, i think what they want is plausible deniability, meaning that IF one of their employees is out there pushing the official story, such an employee should make sure to the darndest of his/her ability, to stay ANONYMOUS so that it does not become publicly known due to the obvious implications of conflict of interest. of course im sure thats what KMF168's intentions were (to stay anonymous), but she gets a failing grade in succeeding at 100% anonimity. frankly its a matter of the government loyalists (i dont mean jref necessarily) having caused too much of a stir when they overtook wikipedia. thats how i found out about kmf, and it was a result of a group of disgruntled wiki admins/editors, who were basically pushed out of their positions (especially regarding edits made to 9/11 related facts presented on wiki). these disgruntled ex-admins cried foul and went on the offensive exposing that at least 7 government employees managed to gain rank within the wiki world, and slowly begin to shape information to their liking, regardless of objections and edits made by those seeking OBJECTIVITY on wiki. there are only 1500 or so wiki admins, and who knows how many of them are devoted to information not related to 9/11. but it seems the crowd that IS involved with such edits, has been taking over by those loyal to the official version, and it is they who have ultimately succeeded in controlling information about, and consequently public (lazy researchers') perception about 9/11. of course real researchers never take WIKI's word for anything and use it as a guide, but many users of wiki worldwide rely only on wiki for their information. thus these loyalists have gained a major victory in having overtaken wikipedia, a fact that most people (even pursuers of truth) are unaware of. next time you find an article on wiki, click the link on the left that says "related changes" for a glimpse of the most recent changes. as an example, here are list of aude vivere's edits as admin: notice how many are related to 9/11? anyway, its real deep and complex and i have only recently become aware of this information warfare thats going on at wiki, so i am only qualified to give a cursory explanation of whats involved. there are entire forums (example: http://wikipediareview.com/index.php? ) devoted to watching wiki and keeping up with its goings-ons, so its not a topic one can fully appreciate the magnitude of in one sitting. but i find extremely important to share this, since many take for granted or are unintentionally ignorant of this wiki battle, which in turn is why the loyalists have (almost) won the war over there. So here we have a disinformation agent ( Kryptos / KMF164 / AudeVivere / Aude ) from the Bush Regime Department of Justice attempting to remain incognito, altering 9-11 evidence and 9-11 related facts in Wikipedia, which a very large percentage of persons throughout the world rely on for their information. This is illegal and immoral. This agent works for us, the American People. Yes, We the American People are paying her salary with our taxes and she has turned on us and is betraying us. AudeVivere is a traitor. Shame on you Katie. This is blatant propagandizing and rewriting of history which the government loyalists apparently support wholeheartedly. Whatever happened to a free and open society and truth? Why are our opponent government loyalists working so hard towards a repressive totalitarian society? They do not care that their families and friends and neighbors and future offspring will be trapped in such a bleak future? If we do not stop the traitors now, it will soon be too late. Well this US Department of Justice government agent Kryptos / KMF164 / AudeVivere / Aude has failed to remain ANONYMOUS and has been publicly exposed (here) and now the US Department of Justice is at risk of being charged with illegal acts against the American People. I call upon the US Department of Justice to fire this agent and make an example of her. Quote: User: Aude From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from User: AudeVivere) Featured articles 7 World Trade Center Construction of the World Trade Center 9/11 attacks September 11, 2001 attacks World Trade Center American Airlines Flight 77 United Airlines Flight 93 Port Authority of New York and New Jersey The Pentagon Larry Silverstein 9/11 conspiracy theories Rescue and recovery effort after the September 11, 2001 attacks Osama bin Laden Collapse of the World Trade Center W. Gene Corley American Airlines Flight 11 World Trade Center site This user is an administrator on the English Wikipedia. (verify) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AudeVivere Edited by SPreston, May 15 2008, 10:50 PM.



JFK	May 18 2008, 06:44 PM Post #10
Posts: 4,161 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=3714038#post3714038 I guess the annonymous stick man missed this.
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William Rea	May 19 2008, 01:45 AM Post #11
Posts: 319 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: 01/20/08	JFK May 18 2008, 06:44 PM http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=3714038#post3714038 The hypocrisy of that thread is astonishing. These are members of the same "Frat Party" that scoured the internet for William Rea's when I declared that I was an Engineer. Not respecting anonymity, much! Even after I had previously posted the reasons behind my name it took quite a while for them to figure out that William Rea = Bill Rea = liBeRal. Then again, reading the trashy threads that pass for discussion of skepticism, the paranormal, critical thinking and science in a friendly and lively way over there we shouldn't be surprised. Edited by William Rea, May 19 2008, 01:52 AM.
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Bitterman	May 22 2008, 01:24 AM Post #12
Posts: 324 Group: Members Member #284 Joined: 02/07/08	Wow, I didn't realize the unimaginable ignorance that goes on at Jref. Holy shit. These are real people? They actually believe what they say????
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SPreston	May 23 2008, 11:05 PM Post #13
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	Bitterman Wow, I didn't realize the unimaginable ignorance that goes on at Jref. Holy shit. These are real people? They actually believe what they say???? Probably not. There are some huge egos over there. And of course there are those who get paid for their lies. The rewriting of history simply reflects their the ends justifies the means elitist Machiavellian consequentialism culture.



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