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Fe-o-k-al-si; fingerprint found on the murder weapon
Topic Started: May 2 2008, 05:58 PM (361 Views)
honestjoe	May 2 2008, 05:58 PM Post #1
Posts: 46 Group: Members Member #521 Joined: 04/20/08	MASSIVE DISCOVERY: First we take the indisputable evidence that has been collaborated by several other scientific studies not related to 9/11 truth! Each of the references below specifically mention the detection of iron spherules in WTC dust samples (and in most cases also provide electron micrographs of the particles in question). Reference 1 includes two such micrographs labeled IRON-03-IMAGE and IRON-04-IMAGE. Reference 2 discusses which WTC particles could best be used as signatures of WTC dust; iron spheres were considered and rejected only because they were not found in ALL indoor dust samples. In reference 3 we read on page 17: “Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC event, producing spherical metallic particles.” And finally in reference 4 we find a micrograph of a spherical iron particle and the comment that WTC dust contains evidence for “heat effected particles, including spherical particles.” 1. H. A. Lowers et al. “Particle Atlas of World Trade Center Dust.” USGS Open-File Report 2005-1165, (2005) 2. Various authors: “U.S. EPA Response to the Peer Review of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Final Report on the World Trade Center Dust Screening Study.” Page 28, (December 2006) 3. R. J. Lee et al. “Damage Assessment 130 Liberty Street Property: WTC Dust Signature Report on Composition and Morphology.” Issued December 2003. 4. S. R. Badger et al. “World Trade Center Particulate Contamination Signature Based on Dust Composition and Morphology.” Microscopy and Microanalysis 10 (Supplement 2), 948, (2004). The formation of spherical iron particles has been well documented and researched for steel making processes, (See for example: Steel Research 64, 23, (1993) and Steel Research 72, 324 (2001)). Iron spheres in the 30 micron to 1 micron range are typically seen in the dust-laden off-gases produced by molten steel and are believed to be formed by the ejection of metal droplets when the liquid metal degasses. Then we take those micro spheres from the WTC dust samples and compare them. Commercial thermite was purchased by engineer John Parulis and latter tested by Jones and other colleges and the results were SHOCKING! The professional grade (not home made or Jones made) commercial thermite has a near identical signature as the micro spheres found in the WTC dust samples! Fe-O-K-Al-Si When the two are compared side by side it is the same as matching a fingerprint from a murder weapon with the fingerprints of the murderer!
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Headspin	May 2 2008, 07:00 PM Post #2
Posts: 974 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	https://www.llnl.gov/str/RSimpson.html from the above link: Using these sol-gel-processing methods, the team derived four classes of energetic materials: energetic nanocomposites, energetic nanocrystalline materials, energetic powder-entrained materials, and energetic skeletal materials. Energetic nanocomposites have a fuel component and an oxidizer component mixed together. One example is a gel made of an oxidizer with a fuel embedded in the pores of the gel. In one such material (termed a thermite pyrotechnic), iron oxide gel reacts with metallic aluminum particles to release an enormous amount of heat. "These reactions typically produce temperatures in excess of 3,500 degrees Celsius," says Simpson. Thermites are used for many applications ranging from igniters in automobile airbags to welding. Such thermites have traditionally been produced by mixing fine powders of metal oxides and metal fuels. "Conventionally, mixing these fine powders can result in an extreme fire hazard. Sol-gel methods can reduce that hazard while dispersing extremely small particles in a uniform way not possible through normal processing methods," adds Simpson. The Livermore team has successfully synthesized metal oxide gels from a myriad elements. At least in the case of metal oxides, sol-gel chemistry can be applied to a majority of elements in the periodic table. In energetic nanocrystalline composites, the energetic material is grown within the pores of an inert gel rather than mixed into it. One way to initiate the growth is to dissolve the energetic material in the solvent used to control the density of the resulting gel. After the gel is formed, the energetic material in the pore fluid is induced to crystallize within the pores. The Livermore team synthesized nanocrystalline composites in a silica matrix with pores containing the high explosive RDX or PETN. The resulting structures contain crystals so small that they do not scatter visible light and are semitransparent. In the powder-entraining method, a high concentration of energetic powders (90 percent by weight) is loaded within a support matrix (for example, silica) that takes up a correspondingly small mass. Highly loaded energetic materials are used in a variety of applications, including initiators and detonators. Manufacturing this type of energetic material using current processing technologies is often difficult. Producing detonators with pressed powders is a slow manufacturing process, mixing two or more powders homogeneously is difficult, and precise geometric shapes are not easy to produce. Also, pressing powders is a hazardous process. Many of these problems may be overcome with the sol-gel process. One result is that the sol-gel explosives formed by adding energetic powders are much less sensitive than those produced by conventional methods. "These results were surprising because conventionally mixed powders generally exhibit increased sensitivity when silica powders are added," says Simpson. "We're still exploring the reasons for this decreased sensitivity, but it appears to be generally true with sol-gel-derived energetic materials." The final class of energetic material produced by sol-gel methods is energetic skeletal materials. Basically, the sol-gel chemistry is used to create a skeletal matrix, which is itself energetic. Satcher thinks that it might also be possible to form a nanostructure made up of a fuel-oxidizer skeleton with precise stoichiometry (the numerical relationship of elements and compounds as reactants and products in a chemical reaction). "This is something we are still looking into," he adds. In addition to providing materials that have high energy density and are extremely powerful, sol-gel methodologies offer more safe and stable processing. For instance, the materials can be cast to shape or do not require the hazardous machining techniques required by materials that cannot be cast. ------- the second method (energetic nanocrystalline composites) of nano-thermite is most interesting - embedding a high explosive such as RDX or PETN into the frozen smoke form of nano-thermite....wondering if this explosive form of thermite would autoignite through shock (from plane impact) as well as ignition temperature (using ignitors) thermite frozen smoke and fireproofing: http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=44231&t=99915 Doctor Jones talk http://www.911blogger.com/node/15358
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honestjoe	May 3 2008, 04:54 PM Post #3
Posts: 46 Group: Members Member #521 Joined: 04/20/08	Headspin, I followed your links and am very impressed OUTSTANDING RESEARCH! I have to admit when I started this thread I had watched all but about the last ten minutes of Doctor Jones talk do to my being in a hurry and incorrectly assuming I had heard the meat of his presentation. But after reading your above post I realized I need to finish watching it. So not only do they have uncontaminated samples taken within 20 minutes of the collapse, that when examined we find these spheres (proof of high temp), which match in chemical/metallurgic composition with the commercial grade thermite but they have also found UNIGNITED THERMITE! (Not just the ingredients but premixed HIGHLY FLAMMABLE Thermite!) And not just small traces but all throughout the WTC dust. And the unignited thermite also matches with the spheres found in the WTC dust as well as with the commercial grade thermite! Has Jones said what the percentage of red chips found in each sample was? Doctor Greening estimates, (using the reports I posted above), there was 800 tonnes of iron powder / 200 tons iron spheres. We can take that and use the average amount of red chips (thermite) found in each sample and get a estimate of the amount of thermite used! The iron spherules are abundant in the WTC dust. Thus they were/are easy to find in a total of 50,000 tonnes of dust. looking at the US EPA data for airborne dust at Ground Zero about 1 week after 9/11, we find: Iron = 4.4 micrograms/m^3 = ten times the expected amount. One source for the Iron is On page 24 of R. J. Lee's Damage Assessment Report there is a Table 3 in which a typical dust sample is reported to have 5.87 % iron spheres, this allows you to estimate the total amount of iron present as spherules assuming x-amount of dust, thats A LOT of molten iron. But because we are looking for the larger micron samples (the larger the chips the more improbable they formed by accident) it is important to recognize that the data reported by Lioy and McGee are for sieved samples and the results for the < 2.5 micron fraction but the data reported by Swayze are for “as-collected” material and should be quite representative of the composition of the bulk WTC dust. Though we can still use all reports for the average of thermite used or at least the amount of unignited thermite, I think the larger chips/flakes that form thermite are the smoking gun because they are to big to be formed at random. So lets look at the USGS map that shows Fe2+, which is chemically combined iron (red flake/thermite). (NOTE: You cannot detect metallic IRON by infrared reflectance spectroscopy) http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/wtc.Sept16.2001.usgs.r091011.1um.18fe.lowermhtn.tgif.gif In a paper by E. M. Fireman et al., entitled “Induced Sputum in Firefighters Exposed to WTC Dust” published in Environmental Health Perspectives 112(15), 1564, (2004), we read: "METAL OXIDES in abundant large particles (size range 1 – 50 microns). The shape varied from irregular to spherical." The metal oxides are what we want but I want some even larger in size so debunkers cant come up with fly ash and random formations BS. I know of one debunker who insists he can produce randomly generated red chips with low temperature formed spheres but are his red chips highly flammable thermite? Anyway by using the GOVERNMENT reports to calculate the amount of unignited thermite based on a simple calculation from the analytical data reported by the USGS, EPA, etc, etc, any debunkers who have a problem with it can talk to the scientists at the USGS and the US EPA, which like NIST are also US government agencies. Everything comes together perfectly. #1. They now have discovered an abundance of thermite from the WTC. Not just the ingredients in small micro spheres but large chips of premixed HIGHLY FLAMMABLE Thermite! #2. Because of the abundance of this unignited thermite we now know why the pile burned for months at imposable temperatures for a hydrocarbon fire. #3. This particular type of thermite is also explosive which explains the pulverization of the WTC into fine dust. #4. It explains the mysterious sulfur residue. #5. It explains the "MYSTERY OF THE SPHERES". #5. It explains the the razor thin columns found with half dollar sized holes. #6. It explains the molten metal poring out from the 80th floor of WTC 2 reported by NIST. (coincidently had upgraded insulation ) Headspin Did you know Doctor Greening also thinks the insulation may have had a highly flammable mixture added to it witch caused the collapse of the WTC buildings?
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gc051360	May 16 2008, 08:00 PM Post #4
Posts: 23 Group: BANNED! Member #416 Joined: 03/18/08	Massive discovery??? Great. At what time does the revolution start? When do the trials begin? When do you guys take this to court?
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JFK	May 16 2008, 08:32 PM Post #5
Posts: 4,210 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	gc051360 May 16 2008, 08:00 PM Massive discovery??? Great. At what time does the revolution start? When do the trials begin? When do you guys take this to court? Congratulations... With this post you are promoted to the skeptics forum.
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Headspin	May 16 2008, 09:05 PM Post #6
Posts: 974 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	honestjoe May 3 2008, 04:54 PM Did you know Doctor Greening also thinks the insulation may have had a highly flammable mixture added to it witch caused the collapse of the WTC buildings? this thread slipped off my radar, because of the spammer I've caught it again. no I was not aware, do you have a link? #7. It explains the "corrosion" on the rooftops of the parked cars covered by the wtc dust, and outbreak of spontaneous car fires.
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honestjoe	May 22 2008, 03:13 AM Post #7
Posts: 46 Group: Members Member #521 Joined: 04/20/08	Headspin May 16 2008, 09:05 PM honestjoe May 3 2008, 04:54 PM Did you know Doctor Greening also thinks the insulation may have had a highly flammable mixture added to it witch caused the collapse of the WTC buildings? this thread slipped off my radar, because of the spammer I've caught it again. no I was not aware, do you have a link? #7. It explains the "corrosion" on the rooftops of the parked cars covered by the wtc dust, and outbreak of spontaneous car fires. Hi Headspin, Sorry I have not responded sooner but do to my being busy I did not see your request for a link until today. In order to help explain Dr. Greening's train of thought I will post the comments he made that lead up to his hypothesis that a highly flammable excelerant had been added to the "UPGRADED" insulation in the WTC buildings. Dr. Greening posted on both Physorg.com "NEU-FONZE" and the Forums.Randi.org (JREF) as "Apollo20", he said; Quote: When it comes to the pulverization of the concrete, the ejection of debris, the chemical analysis of WTC dust, etc, the NIST Report is of little or no use. Quote: There is some crucial scientific evidence for the presence of molten iron or steel in the pulverized remains of WTC 1 & 2 Quote: I am referring to the observation of micron-sized iron spherules that have been seen in many WTC dust samples. These spherical particles are direct physical evidence that the iron within the particle was molten at the time the particle formed. Quote: The formation of spherical iron particles has been well documented and researched for steel making processes... Iron spheres in the 30 micron to 1 micron range are typically seen in the dust-laden off-gases produced by molten steel and are believed to be formed by the ejection of metal droplets when the liquid metal degasses. Quote: NIST asserts WITHOUT PROOF that the observed degradation of the WTC steel occurred AFTER THE COLLAPSE OF THE BUILDING. Interestingly, the FEMA Report is more equivocal on this topic. Thus in Appendix C of the FEMA Report we read in reference to the infamous sulfidation of the steel: “It is possible that the corrosion is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure.” I find it quite amazing that such an important issue remains unresolved to this day. But I guess it’s no more amazing than the fact that the cause of the collapse of WTC 7 also remains unresolved! Quote: I believe the iron spherules in the WTC dust show that molten iron was formed in the twin towers prior to their collapse. Dr. Greening said in response to a comment made by Gravy: Quote: Please read my last post: "However, I would say that the presence of molten iron in the WTC is inconsistent with the NIST Report’s conclusion that temperatures in the towers during 9/11 were well below the melting point of iron or steel." Please explain why you now have no trouble with molten iron in the WTC because some "experts" say molten iron is to be "expected" in building fires; meanwhile NIST cannot generate temperatures within 400 deg C of the melting point of iron! Which "experts" do you prefer to believe Gravy? Quote: Iron spherules and elevated levels of airborne ZINC prove there was molten iron/steel in the WTC. Quote: Spherical iron particles are proof of the formation of molten iron in the WTC prior to collapse. This implies that some iron or steel in the twin towers was exposed to temperatures ABOVE 1539 deg C. Such temperatures are much too high for hydrocarbon fires in the twin towers according to NIST's own studies. Quote: NIST, in its fire simulations, tried very hard to get steel (>95 % iron) to temperatures above 1000 deg C but failed! Quote: I sense the NISTIANS (who appear to dominate this site) are not ready to look "outside the box", especially when its quite apparent they think they already know all the answers. This approach to 9/11 "research" is based more on CONVICTION rather than CURIOSITY. So the REAL question is what melted the iron in the towers. And please note that the iron spheres were quite abundant in the WTC dust. I wrote to NIST about this problem but they ignored my e-mail. Anyway, sometimes the truth hurts! Crazy Chainsaw posted a comment that I thought was interesting, he said; Quote: That is the problem the temperature data provide by Nist does not account for the high temperatures evident in the early air samples. Or for the Zinc, and Dr. Greening is an honest man, so it forces him to explore other possible reactions and causes. Can you blame some one for telling the truth, even though he is not a Member of the truth movement? I have thought the same thing for a while now, but have not expressed it much who is going to listen to me anyway, so I have been looking silently for the mechanism. AND NOW FOR Dr. GREENING'S PROPOSED THEORY! Please notice that Dr. Greening lists the same elements found in the WTC dust that Dr. Jones has found in the commercial thermite which matches the signature found in the unignited thermite that is abundent in the WTC dust. Iron - Oxygen - Potassium - Aluminum - silicon As a mater of fact Dr. Greening's iron used in his theory is Iron oxide used as a catalysts to ignite a potent oxidizing agent that is a much-used ingredient in explosives, pyrothechnics and is stable at room temperature. However, when heated to above 300 °C it becomes violently reactive and highly exothermic, releasing about 2 MJ/kg of heat energy. His theory is that this excelerent/explosive mixture was added to the fire proofing sprayed on the very floors that were upgraded before coincidentally having been impacted by jets. Dr. Greening said; Quote: the fire protector was, in fact, a fire accelerant or pyrotechnic, most probably an ammonium perchlorate/manganese dioxide mixture blended with a portland cement-based binder, or something similar. Given the fact that upgrading of the passive fire protection of WTC 1 & 2 was an on-going project throughout the late 1990s, a deadly pyrotechnic coating could have been applied almost anywhere and at any time during this period. If we assume that the normal cement-based material was “spiked” with 25 wt.% of our pyrotechnic mixture, up to 5 tonnes of ammonium perchlorate could have been sprayed onto a designated floor. Furthermore, once applied to a particular floor, the coating would have remained undisturbed, unnoticed, and with no loss of potency, until it was triggered by the events of September 11th 2001. You will find his theory at this link: http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2474191&postcount=110
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Miragememories	May 22 2008, 01:28 PM Post #8
Posts: 756 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	I think you'll also find that Dr. Greening is posting here under the name tharg. MM
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JFK	May 22 2008, 04:47 PM Post #9
Posts: 4,210 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Miragememories May 22 2008, 01:28 PM I think you'll also find that Dr. Greening is posting here under the name tharg. MM tharg is not Greening.
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