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| Shooting spree at Fort Hood Army Base | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 5 2009, 04:36 PM (382 Views) | |
| BoneZ | Nov 5 2009, 04:36 PM Post #1 |
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13 confirmed dead, 31 wounded. Shooting happened at the Soldier Readiness Center. Gunman in custody identified as U.S. Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan, age 39. Hasan is an Army mental health professional. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of our fallen and wounded soldiers. Edited by BoneZ, Nov 6 2009, 03:12 PM.
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| JFK | Nov 5 2009, 05:03 PM Post #2 |
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http://www.hood.army.mil/ "Service Unavailable"  
Edited by JFK, Nov 5 2009, 07:05 PM.
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Nov 6 2009, 06:33 AM Post #3 |
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all day long the reports were 3 gunmen open fire and now a day passes and its just 1 gunman. somethings rotten here.....
http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1235603.shtml?cat=500 Edited by Domenick DiMaggio, Nov 6 2009, 07:03 AM.
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Nov 6 2009, 07:21 AM Post #4 |
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lets not forget the '2nd' gunman was arrested at a golf course..... http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/05/texas.fort.hood.witnesses/ Surviving Fort Hood shooting suspect arrested at golf course, officer says |
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| esopxe | Nov 7 2009, 07:14 PM Post #5 |
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Rick Perry says there were three shooters. |
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| aspiecelia | Nov 8 2009, 02:38 AM Post #6 |
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I knew something was wrong about the shootings from the start. They lied about him being dead, there were three shooters and then one, it's like they are groping for a a story that they think we will buy as information came out. I think if he was the shooter he had a breakdown, perhaps psychotic, perhaps dissociation from complex PTSD from combination traumas from workplace bullying, bullying due to his religion, being trapped in the military when he had moral reservations against what they are doing, and trauma from what he hears day in and day out from traumatized soldiers. He was isolated and which could very well contribute to the problem. An isolated, disgruntled person is also very easy to set up. Reports from a couple of patients are that he was a great doctor, yet it was reported he had a poor evalutation. The reports of him thinking a suicide bomber and GIs falling on grenades are similar could be due to him being a military psychiatrist and being interested in such phenonenon. I find it interesting and I am not in the military. I am also interested in serial killer psychology and have worked with sexual psychopaths it does not mean I am studying up to become one. |
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| Mumin | Nov 14 2009, 03:40 AM Post #7 |
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I know the spin doctors must have been very busy, because all the right-wing radio stations had the same talking points: 1) He shouted "Allahu akbar" ...even though this was unconfirmed, it makes him appear to be a terrorist. Let's not forget, however, that many people make the mistake of thinking that someone says "Allahu Akbar". e.g. A Greek Orthodox priest was attacked by a Marine reservist, who claimed the priest shouted "Allahu akbar" despite the fact that the priest says he does not speak Arabic: http://www.kansascity.com/437/story/1560628.html 2) Nidal Hasan attended the same mosque as an Imam who is a senior recruiter for Al-Qaeda. What does that mean, exactly? Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki is a US born sheikh, who moved to Yemen. He has many thousands of students across the world. The media is trying to form a connection between two "alleged" hijackers attending his mosque in Virginia to being the one who recruited them. That's quite a stretch. Even if Awlaki was part of Al-Qaeda, it doesn't make someone who congregates at the mosque a terrorist, nor anyone who asked the Sheikh for spiritual advice. 3) He was a lone gunman... Even though it would be impossible for a non-combatant soldier to fire off over a hundred rounds with one semi-automatic handgun and one revolver in a room filled with combatant soldiers ready to be deployed. |
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| esopxe | Nov 15 2009, 02:44 AM Post #8 |
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Obama urges Congress to put off Fort Hood probe WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Saturday urged Congress to hold off on any investigation of the Fort Hood rampage until federal law enforcement and military authorities have completed their probes into the shootings at the Texas Army post, which left 13 people dead. On an eight-day Asia trip, Obama turned his attention home and pleaded for lawmakers to "resist the temptation to turn this tragic event into the political theater." He said those who died on the nation's largest Army post deserve justice, not political stagecraft. "The stakes are far too high," Obama said in a video and Internet address released by the White House while the president was flying from Tokyo to Singapore, where Pacific Rim countries were meeting. Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, was charged on Thursday with the shooting spree at Fort Hood last week. Army investigators have said Hasan is the only suspect and could face additional charges. Obama already had ordered a review of all intelligence related to Hasan and whether the information was properly shared and acted upon within government agencies. Several members of Congress, particularly Michigan Rep. Peter Hoekstra, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, have also called for a full examination of what agencies knew about Hasan's contacts with a radical Muslim cleric in Yemen and others of concern to the U.S. Hoekstra confirmed this week that government officials knew of about 10 to 20 e-mails between Hasan and the radical imam, beginning in December 2008. A joint terrorism task force overseen by the FBI learned late last year of Hasan's repeated contact with the cleric, who encouraged Muslims to kill U.S. troops in Iraq. The FBI said the task force did not refer early information about Hasan to superiors because it concluded he wasn't linked to terrorism. Lawmakers, however, already have announced they want their own investigations and were frustrated with what they view as a less-than-forthcoming administration. Rep. Howard McKeon, R-Calif., said he wanted to go ahead with an investigation from the House Armed Services Committee, where he is the top Republican. He said he wanted an investigation that wouldn't compromise law enforcement or military investigations that were continuing on separate tracks. In the Senate, Sen. Joe Lieberman, a Connecticut independent, said his Homeland Security Committee was opening an investigation. On Saturday, he and Sen. Susan Collins, the ranking Republican on the committee, said the panel still planned to meet Thursday to begin the first congressional hearings and hoped for cooperation from the administration. "We very much agree with President Obama's sentiments that the full story behind the murderous act at Fort Hood must be told," the senators said in a joint statement. "Our goal, and the purpose of this inquiry, is to make as certain as possible that no such attack ever occurs again on an American military base. We will focus on national and homeland security and will not compromise the criminal case being conducted by law enforcement." Obama said he was not opposed to hearings — eventually. But he strongly pressed lawmakers to hold off until the probes now under way are completed. "There is an ongoing investigation into this terrible tragedy," Obama said. "That investigation will look at the motives of the alleged gunman, including his views and contacts." "We must compile every piece of information that was known about the gunman, and we must learn what was done with that information. Once we have those facts, we must act upon them." Source: Associated Press I know this story already stunk to all hell, but as far as I'm concerned, this move by Obama is the icing on the cover-up cake. |
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| MartinL | Nov 17 2009, 06:23 PM Post #9 |
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I'll say something is rotten. The major news media reporting on "facts" before they really know if they are factual. Since much of what passes for news on TV and the internet is not more important to them than ratings, beating the competition or entertaining their audience, I would not trust what CNN, MSNBC and the other ilk report on right after any major breaking event. |
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| MartinL | Nov 17 2009, 06:50 PM Post #10 |
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It does not have to be spin doctors. I recall radio and TV falling all over themselves to put out as many details as possible, whether they were right or not. This makes it hard to keep up with the "latest version" of events; whether they are true or not. I do not really think of terrorists when someone is shouting "god is great". I take to be more of an enthusiastic muslim. I think it is the bigots that are the ones that always think terrorist when they hear that phrase. The claim that he attended the same mosque sure is a stretch. Who gives a rip. We need to know if he was part of a larger conspiracy or just a F-ed up coward who went to a target rich nearly gun free environment. He reportedly used an FN5.7 pistol and a revolver. I have shot the FN5.7 before, while it is not a great gun, it has its good points. The cartridge is light weight but high velocity. This makes for a very flat trajectory and nasty wounds when shooting up close. While some of the media has touted its armor piercing capabilities, even the sporting ammo made for it can be very lethal when used on a person at close range. A 20 round mag means lots of fire power, changing mags is quick and easy. I have a small target pistol that is lighter in weight but uses the 22lr cartridge. I can rip through 100 rounds pretty quick. Ten rounds in less than ten seconds, drop the mag and push in a new one and be ready to shoot another ten in five seconds or less. Even though the FN pistol has a heavy trigger and more recoil than my 22, I could shoot it nearly as fast I think. From what I have read he had several mags, so shooting 100 rounds in a short period of time is not suspicious by itself. If it took three minutes for the police to respond after he started shooting, then he had ample time to shoot that much ammo as he appeared to be still shooting when they arrived. As far as I know, it was not just one small room he was in, he moved around quite a bit. When you say "ready to be deployed" did you mean they were armed" From what I heard, none of the people that were shot at were armed, until the police arrived and were shot at while stopping Hasan. The only time I have ever seen soldiers armed at an army bases was when they were acting in a security role. Those soldiers on base that are not on security patrol are normally not allowed to be armed unless they are participating in some kind of exercise. It sounds absurd, but it looks like Hasan picked a "gun free zone" to kill people in. Edited by MartinL, Nov 17 2009, 08:10 PM.
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