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Proof of thermite?; More strong evidence
Topic Started: Apr 28 2008, 10:09 PM (6,186 Views)
Lidane	Apr 28 2008, 10:09 PM Post #1
Posts: 26 Group: Members Member #486 Joined: 04/09/08	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7HI4kjtvA In this video, workers describe measuring 2800 degree temperatures at Ground Zero, six weeks after 9/11, firefighters describe 'molten steel running down the channel like you were at a foundry.' Guess what the melting point of steel happens to be? You guessed it: 2800°F (Or 1500°C) Just another one of those amazing coincidences? What could possibly cause steel to turn molten like that, besides thermite? An experiment shows thermite burning through an iron engine block within seconds, as if it were made of cheese: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrCWLpRc1yM Damn! That reminds of the acid blood in the Alien movies eating through metal on contact. Edit by JFK - fixed link and embedded video. Edited by JFK, Apr 29 2008, 10:32 AM.
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Tether	Apr 29 2008, 01:39 AM Post #2
Posts: 107 Group: BANNED! Member #129 Joined: 01/19/08	Seems you will believe anything if it suites your fancy. From the video of the thermite melting it's way through the engine block? There is no frigging way that the flower pot of thermite melted through the engine block. Guess what? They lied Watch as streams of the stuff literally rolls of the hood of the car. It will do the same off the engine block. Granted it will strip some metal off, but no where near what they reported. Notice how they don't show you the engine block. Maybe cuz it didn't do shit to it? You see ....... you need to heat the engine block up to melting temps first, and that takes time .... far more than the time it took for the reaction. That's why the stuff rolled off the hood. It takes time to transfer the heat. I worked in a foundry for five years. What a bunch of BS. PT Barnum ..... There's a sucker born every minute.
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JFK	Apr 29 2008, 01:45 AM Post #3
Posts: 4,219 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Interesting.... I did not realize that they used the chemical reaction of thermite to heat the steel in a foundry.
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Xenomorph	Apr 29 2008, 02:05 AM Post #4
Posts: 96 Group: Members Member #67 Joined: 01/16/08	The 2800 degree rubble clip is from PBS's "America Rebuilds", the same documentary as Larry Silverstein's "pull it" comment. I've got a torrent of it up here if anyone wants it, in really good quality. http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/stats.html?info_hash=9cdcef2b2635686dd5ffbe90e0516993df4e108f Edited by Xenomorph, Apr 29 2008, 02:06 AM.
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Tether	Apr 29 2008, 03:05 AM Post #5
Posts: 107 Group: BANNED! Member #129 Joined: 01/19/08	JFK Apr 29 2008, 01:45 AM Interesting.... I did not realize that they used the chemical reaction of thermite to heat the steel in a foundry. My post centers on the transfer of heat, of which I've seen plenty of, be it a torch, welder, furnace, and what not. The video about the thermite melting through the engine block is pure BS. How about a spoon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiEEtp3RsRg&feature=related
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Headspin	Apr 29 2008, 06:08 AM Post #6
Posts: 975 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	Tether Apr 29 2008, 01:39 AM Seems you will believe anything if it suites your fancy. From the video of the thermite melting it's way through the engine block? There is no frigging way that the flower pot of thermite melted through the engine block. Guess what? They lied Watch as streams of the stuff literally rolls of the hood of the car. It will do the same off the engine block. Granted it will strip some metal off, but no where near what they reported. Notice how they don't show you the engine block. Maybe cuz it didn't do shit to it? You see ....... you need to heat the engine block up to melting temps first, and that takes time .... far more than the time it took for the reaction. That's why the stuff rolled off the hood. It takes time to transfer the heat. I worked in a foundry for five years. What a bunch of BS. PT Barnum ..... There's a sucker born every minute. ordinary thermite mixed correctly burns at 4500F, well above the melting temperature (2800F) of steel. Steel conducts heat very quickly so any heat coming into contact with the steel is quickly transferred into the steel - this is why steel feels cold to the touch- because it takes the heat from your hand VERY QUICKLY. you are confusing the slow heating up of steel from its room temperature up to its melting point with the direct contact of 4500F heat with steel.
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Lidane	Apr 29 2008, 02:54 PM Post #7
Posts: 26 Group: Members Member #486 Joined: 04/09/08	Tether Apr 29 2008, 01:39 AM Seems you will believe anything if it suites your fancy. From the video of the thermite melting it's way through the engine block? There is no frigging way that the flower pot of thermite melted through the engine block. Guess what? They lied Watch as streams of the stuff literally rolls of the hood of the car. It will do the same off the engine block. Granted it will strip some metal off, but no where near what they reported. Notice how they don't show you the engine block. Maybe cuz it didn't do shit to it? You see ....... you need to heat the engine block up to melting temps first, and that takes time .... far more than the time it took for the reaction. That's why the stuff rolled off the hood. It takes time to transfer the heat. I worked in a foundry for five years. What a bunch of BS. PT Barnum ..... There's a sucker born every minute. You do realize that you are full of it, don't you? What else could have created those 2800 degree temperatures, and the molten iron at Ground Zero? Do you have an answer for that?
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Lidane	Apr 29 2008, 03:11 PM Post #8
Posts: 26 Group: Members Member #486 Joined: 04/09/08	Headspin Apr 29 2008, 06:08 AM ordinary thermite mixed correctly burns at 4500F, well above the melting temperature (2800F) of steel. Steel conducts heat very quickly so any heat coming into contact with the steel is quickly transferred into the steel - this is why steel feels cold to the touch- because it takes the heat from your hand VERY QUICKLY. you are confusing the slow heating up of steel from its room temperature up to its melting point with the direct contact of 4500F heat with steel. Thermate is a stronger version of thermite that causes it to burn even hotter. Quote: Thermate is a variation of thermite and is an incendiary pyrotechnic composition that can generate short bursts of exceedingly high temperatures focused on a small area for a short period of time. The main chemical reaction in thermate is the same as in thermite: an aluminothermic reaction between powdered aluminum and a metal oxide. In addition to thermite, thermate also contains sulfur and sometimes barium nitrate, both of which increase its thermal effect, create flame in burning, and significantly reduce the ignition temperature[citation needed]. Various mixtures of these compounds can be called thermate, but, to avoid confusion with Thermate-TH3, one can refer to them as thermite variants or analogs. The composition by weight of Thermate-TH3 (in military use) is 68.7% thermite, 29.0% barium nitrate, 2.0% sulfur and 0.3% binder (such as PBAN). As both thermite and thermate are notoriously difficult to ignite, initiating the reaction normally requires trained human supervision and sometimes persistent effort. Because thermate burns at higher temperatures than ordinary thermite[citation needed], it has useful military applications in cutting through tank armor or other hardened military vehicles or bunkers. As with thermite, thermate's ability to burn for short periods of time without an external supply of oxygen renders it useful for underwater demolition.
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SPreston	Apr 29 2008, 03:52 PM Post #9
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	Lidane Apr 29 2008, 02:54 PM Tether Apr 29 2008, 01:39 AM Seems you will believe anything if it suites your fancy. From the video of the thermite melting it's way through the engine block? There is no frigging way that the flower pot of thermite melted through the engine block. Guess what? They lied Watch as streams of the stuff literally rolls of the hood of the car. It will do the same off the engine block. Granted it will strip some metal off, but no where near what they reported. Notice how they don't show you the engine block. Maybe cuz it didn't do shit to it? You see ....... you need to heat the engine block up to melting temps first, and that takes time .... far more than the time it took for the reaction. That's why the stuff rolled off the hood. It takes time to transfer the heat. I worked in a foundry for five years. What a bunch of BS. PT Barnum ..... There's a sucker born every minute. You do realize that you are full of it, don't you? What else could have created those 2800 degree temperatures, and the molten iron at Ground Zero? Do you have an answer for that? Images of the World Trade Center Site Show Thermal Hot Spots on September 16 and 23, 2001 Edited by SPreston, Apr 29 2008, 03:54 PM.



Headspin	Apr 29 2008, 04:20 PM Post #10
Posts: 975 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	Lidane Apr 29 2008, 02:54 PM What else could have created those 2800 degree temperatures, and the molten iron at Ground Zero? hi lidane, the temperatures have been proven to be even higher than 2800F, previously molten molbedenum spheres were found and independently corroborated, also condensed lead was also found. molybdenum melts at 4743F lead boils at 3164F so your question should have read "What else could have created those 4743 degree temperatures" Quote: Thermate is a stronger version of thermite that causes it to burn even hotter Just to be as accurate as possible - thermate effectively lowers the melting point of steel/iron - in other words pure sulphur added to molten steel will keep the mixture molten at lower temperatures preventing quick "re-freezing", in practical terms it means that thermate (a thermite+sulphur mix) will melt its way through steel a LOT quicker.
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Lidane	Apr 29 2008, 04:33 PM Post #11
Posts: 26 Group: Members Member #486 Joined: 04/09/08	Headspin Apr 29 2008, 04:20 PM Lidane Apr 29 2008, 02:54 PM What else could have created those 2800 degree temperatures, and the molten iron at Ground Zero? hi lidane, the temperatures have been proven to be even higher than 2800F, previously molten molbedenum spheres were found and independently corroborated, also condensed lead was also found. molybdenum melts at 4743F lead boils at 3164F so your question should have read "What else could have created those 4743 degree temperatures" Quote: Thermate is a stronger version of thermite that causes it to burn even hotter Just to be as accurate as possible - thermate effectively lowers the melting point of steel/iron - in other words pure sulphur added to molten steel will keep the mixture molten at lower temperatures preventing quick "re-freezing", in practical terms it means that thermate (a thermite+sulphur mix) will melt its way through steel a LOT quicker. Yes! Thank you.
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Tether	Apr 29 2008, 10:04 PM Post #12
Posts: 107 Group: BANNED! Member #129 Joined: 01/19/08	Headspin Apr 29 2008, 06:08 AM Tether Apr 29 2008, 01:39 AM Seems you will believe anything if it suites your fancy. From the video of the thermite melting it's way through the engine block? There is no frigging way that the flower pot of thermite melted through the engine block. Guess what? They lied Watch as streams of the stuff literally rolls of the hood of the car. It will do the same off the engine block. Granted it will strip some metal off, but no where near what they reported. Notice how they don't show you the engine block. Maybe cuz it didn't do shit to it? You see ....... you need to heat the engine block up to melting temps first, and that takes time .... far more than the time it took for the reaction. That's why the stuff rolled off the hood. It takes time to transfer the heat. I worked in a foundry for five years. What a bunch of BS. PT Barnum ..... There's a sucker born every minute. ordinary thermite mixed correctly burns at 4500F, well above the melting temperature (2800F) of steel. Steel conducts heat very quickly so any heat coming into contact with the steel is quickly transferred into the steel - this is why steel feels cold to the touch- because it takes the heat from your hand VERY QUICKLY. you are confusing the slow heating up of steel from its room temperature up to its melting point with the direct contact of 4500F heat with steel. I'm not confusing anything, and I have a very intimate hands on understanding of how fast you can get heat to transfer in steel, and it's not almost instantaneous as some of you seem to believe, because if you believe what this narrator says in the video, that is what you believe. The statement that a hole was melted through that engine is a bold faced lie. Edited by Tether, Apr 29 2008, 10:07 PM.
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Headspin	Apr 30 2008, 04:42 AM Post #13
Posts: 975 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	Tether Apr 29 2008, 10:04 PM Headspin Apr 29 2008, 06:08 AM Tether Apr 29 2008, 01:39 AM Seems you will believe anything if it suites your fancy. From the video of the thermite melting it's way through the engine block? There is no frigging way that the flower pot of thermite melted through the engine block. Guess what? They lied Watch as streams of the stuff literally rolls of the hood of the car. It will do the same off the engine block. Granted it will strip some metal off, but no where near what they reported. Notice how they don't show you the engine block. Maybe cuz it didn't do shit to it? You see ....... you need to heat the engine block up to melting temps first, and that takes time .... far more than the time it took for the reaction. That's why the stuff rolled off the hood. It takes time to transfer the heat. I worked in a foundry for five years. What a bunch of BS. PT Barnum ..... There's a sucker born every minute. ordinary thermite mixed correctly burns at 4500F, well above the melting temperature (2800F) of steel. Steel conducts heat very quickly so any heat coming into contact with the steel is quickly transferred into the steel - this is why steel feels cold to the touch- because it takes the heat from your hand VERY QUICKLY. you are confusing the slow heating up of steel from its room temperature up to its melting point with the direct contact of 4500F heat with steel. I'm not confusing anything, and I have a very intimate hands on understanding of how fast you can get heat to transfer in steel, and it's not almost instantaneous as some of you seem to believe, because if you believe what this narrator says in the video, that is what you believe. The statement that a hole was melted through that engine is a bold faced lie. who is saying it is "almost instantaneous", even the video shows the reaction lasting several seconds. you are misrepresenting your opponents position. steel, has one of the highest high heat transfer co-efficients, or thermal conductivity - look it up here: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/thrcn.html for you to suggest otherwise with your self proclaimed expertism is quite frankly- absurd.
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sevon	Apr 30 2008, 09:01 AM Post #14
Posts: 408 Group: BANNED! Member #256 Joined: 02/01/08	Lidane Apr 28 2008, 10:09 PM In this video, workers describe measuring 2800 degree temperatures at Ground Zero, six weeks after 9/11, What kind of thermite burns for 6 weeks?
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Headspin	Apr 30 2008, 09:25 AM Post #15
Posts: 975 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:01 AM Lidane Apr 28 2008, 10:09 PM In this video, workers describe measuring 2800 degree temperatures at Ground Zero, six weeks after 9/11, What kind of thermite burns for 6 weeks? Lidane did not say thermite was burning for 6 weeks.
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sevon	Apr 30 2008, 09:47 AM Post #16
Posts: 408 Group: BANNED! Member #256 Joined: 02/01/08	Headspin Apr 30 2008, 09:25 AM sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:01 AM Lidane Apr 28 2008, 10:09 PM In this video, workers describe measuring 2800 degree temperatures at Ground Zero, six weeks after 9/11, What kind of thermite burns for 6 weeks? Lidane did not say thermite was burning for 6 weeks. Well then, I guess thermite is out. It must have been something else.
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Headspin	Apr 30 2008, 09:48 AM Post #17
Posts: 975 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:47 AM Headspin Apr 30 2008, 09:25 AM sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:01 AM Lidane Apr 28 2008, 10:09 PM In this video, workers describe measuring 2800 degree temperatures at Ground Zero, six weeks after 9/11, What kind of thermite burns for 6 weeks? Lidane did not say thermite was burning for 6 weeks. Well then, I guess thermite is out. It must have been something else. why?
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sevon	Apr 30 2008, 09:53 AM Post #18
Posts: 408 Group: BANNED! Member #256 Joined: 02/01/08	Headspin Apr 30 2008, 09:48 AM sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:47 AM Headspin Apr 30 2008, 09:25 AM sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:01 AM Lidane Apr 28 2008, 10:09 PM In this video, workers describe measuring 2800 degree temperatures at Ground Zero, six weeks after 9/11, What kind of thermite burns for 6 weeks? Lidane did not say thermite was burning for 6 weeks. Well then, I guess thermite is out. It must have been something else. why? If there wasn't thermite burning for 6 weeks, it was something else.
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Headspin	Apr 30 2008, 10:14 AM Post #19
Posts: 975 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:53 AM Headspin Apr 30 2008, 09:48 AM sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:47 AM Headspin Apr 30 2008, 09:25 AM sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:01 AM Lidane Apr 28 2008, 10:09 PM In this video, workers describe measuring 2800 degree temperatures at Ground Zero, six weeks after 9/11, What kind of thermite burns for 6 weeks? Lidane did not say thermite was burning for 6 weeks. Well then, I guess thermite is out. It must have been something else. why? If there wasn't thermite burning for 6 weeks, it was something else. why do you assume that thermite has to continually burn for 6 weeks? do you think that thermite burns at 4500F and then cools to zero in an instant? you believe that ordinary fires of 1800F can produce 2800F temperatures 6 weeks later, but thermite burning at 4500F could not leave fires and temperatures of 2800F 6 weeks later? Edited by Headspin, Apr 30 2008, 10:32 AM.
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sevon	Apr 30 2008, 11:25 AM Post #20
Posts: 408 Group: BANNED! Member #256 Joined: 02/01/08	Headspin Apr 30 2008, 10:14 AM sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:53 AM Headspin Apr 30 2008, 09:48 AM sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:47 AM Headspin Apr 30 2008, 09:25 AM sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:01 AM Lidane Apr 28 2008, 10:09 PM In this video, workers describe measuring 2800 degree temperatures at Ground Zero, six weeks after 9/11, What kind of thermite burns for 6 weeks? Lidane did not say thermite was burning for 6 weeks. Well then, I guess thermite is out. It must have been something else. why? If there wasn't thermite burning for 6 weeks, it was something else. why do you assume that thermite has to continually burn for 6 weeks? do you think that thermite burns at 4500F and then cools to zero in an instant? you believe that ordinary fires of 1800F can produce 2800F temperatures 6 weeks later, but thermite burning at 4500F could not leave fires and temperatures of 2800F 6 weeks later? Do you have temperature data of the fires in the rubble piles? Or are you using office fire temperatures? Do you have any idea how much thermite you would need to use to keep that steel molten for six weeks?
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Lidane	Apr 30 2008, 12:35 PM Post #21
Posts: 26 Group: Members Member #486 Joined: 04/09/08	sevon Apr 30 2008, 11:25 AM Do you have any idea how much thermite you would need to use to keep that steel molten for six weeks? You don't know what you're talking about. Thermite is a catalyst. A catalyst is used to start something, not to sustain it. Like a match is to a wood fire, to use an analogy. Once the fire is started, the match is no longer needed.
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Headspin	Apr 30 2008, 04:27 PM Post #22
Posts: 975 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	sevon Apr 30 2008, 11:25 AM Headspin Apr 30 2008, 10:14 AM sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:53 AM Headspin Apr 30 2008, 09:48 AM sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:47 AM Headspin Apr 30 2008, 09:25 AM sevon Apr 30 2008, 09:01 AM Lidane Apr 28 2008, 10:09 PM In this video, workers describe measuring 2800 degree temperatures at Ground Zero, six weeks after 9/11, What kind of thermite burns for 6 weeks? Lidane did not say thermite was burning for 6 weeks. Well then, I guess thermite is out. It must have been something else. why? If there wasn't thermite burning for 6 weeks, it was something else. why do you assume that thermite has to continually burn for 6 weeks? do you think that thermite burns at 4500F and then cools to zero in an instant? you believe that ordinary fires of 1800F can produce 2800F temperatures 6 weeks later, but thermite burning at 4500F could not leave fires and temperatures of 2800F 6 weeks later? Do you have temperature data of the fires in the rubble piles? Or are you using office fire temperatures? Do you have any idea how much thermite you would need to use to keep that steel molten for six weeks? here are the questions you did not respond to: why do you assume that thermite has to continually burn for 6 weeks? do you think that thermite burns at 4500F and then cools to zero in an instant? you believe that ordinary fires of 1800F can produce 2800F temperatures 6 weeks later, but thermite burning at 4500F could not leave fires and temperatures of 2800F 6 weeks later? here are the questions you obfuscated with: "Do you have temperature data of the fires in the rubble piles? Or are you using office fire temperatures?" see post #1 "Do you have any idea how much thermite you would need to use to keep that steel molten for six weeks?" You are suggesting that a 4500F heat source cannot produce a 2800F temperature fire...but a 1800F heat source can produce a 2800F temperature fire, clearly this is absurd
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Tether	Apr 30 2008, 11:26 PM Post #23
Posts: 107 Group: BANNED! Member #129 Joined: 01/19/08	You watch the first video and you hear temps of 1100 degrees, 1500 degrees, and 2800 degrees!!!, so somebody decides to focus on the most unlikely temp as if it were a fact. Chances are temps that high were never reached, and it's just wishfull thinking on behalf of a conspiracy theorist. You hear mention that the dust was 2, 3 inches thick on the ground from river to river, but we all know that's not true from pics and video. Can you say embellishment? The most believable was the guy that said 1500 degrees, as he used the words bright reddish orange, which seems about right for that temp. If he had seen temps of 2800, he would have used words like white hot. One person mentions molten steel running down the channel rails. Whats a channel rail? An I beam? Could the molten steel be melted glass?
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Xenomorph	May 1 2008, 03:24 AM Post #24
Posts: 96 Group: Members Member #67 Joined: 01/16/08	Tether Apr 30 2008, 11:26 PM You watch the first video and you hear temps of 1100 degrees, 1500 degrees, and 2800 degrees!!!, so somebody decides to focus on the most unlikely temp as if it were a fact. Chances are temps that high were never reached, and it's just wishfull thinking on behalf of a conspiracy theorist. You hear mention that the dust was 2, 3 inches thick on the ground from river to river, but we all know that's not true from pics and video. Can you say embellishment? It doesn't take long to find a whole series of witnesses discussing molten or melted steel or extreme temperatures. Justin Keogh of http://www.ae911truth.org/ has a lot of them documented here on the frontpage of his website: http://nasathermalimages.com/ With regaurds to my video compilation clip, why put "molten steel" in the script, as narrated by Kevin Spacey alongside the mention of 2800 degree's? As it happens mainstream docu's used to discuss it, the "meteorite" in my clip, as discussed in the 2002 docu, "Relics from the Rubble" by structural engineer Bart Vorsanger. Your argument that there wasn't any molten steel witnessed really doesn't stand up. You also must be kidding about the dust, it's everywhere in 9/11 news coverage, documentary films & photographs, visible in video of the expanding clouds seen formed during the collapse. You seem to just claim these things don't exist based on absolutely nothing. I also updated the video clip with a second version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrUosvSNLCk Edited by Xenomorph, May 1 2008, 03:55 AM.
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Lidane	May 1 2008, 05:24 AM Post #25
Posts: 26 Group: Members Member #486 Joined: 04/09/08	Tether Apr 30 2008, 11:26 PM You watch the first video and you hear temps of 1100 degrees, 1500 degrees, and 2800 degrees!!!, so somebody decides to focus on the most unlikely temp as if it were a fact. Chances are temps that high were never reached, and it's just wishfull thinking on behalf of a conspiracy theorist. You hear mention that the dust was 2, 3 inches thick on the ground from river to river, but we all know that's not true from pics and video. Can you say embellishment? The most believable was the guy that said 1500 degrees, as he used the words bright reddish orange, which seems about right for that temp. If he had seen temps of 2800, he would have used words like white hot. One person mentions molten steel running down the channel rails. Whats a channel rail? An I beam? Could the molten steel be melted glass? 1500° Celsius = 2800° Fahrenheit In the context of the situation, it's obvious the first guy in the video (the firefighter) was speaking in terms of Celsius, not Fahrenheit, when he said 1500 degrees. Red hot, bright orange, oven-like conditions still raging 6-8 weeks after the collapse took place? Nothing else at GZ could produce those kind of temperatures, for that long, EXCEPT for molten steel, which produces 1500°Celsius heat. And the 2nd guy confirms it when he said it was 2800 degrees. Both are saying the same thing except one guy uses celsius, the other fahrenheit. It's no coincidence 1500° (C) just happens to be equal to 2800°(F).
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