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Moved:plausible NoC flightpath?
Topic Started: Sep 29 2009, 12:42 AM (2,362 Views)
JFK	Oct 3 2009, 03:43 PM Post #226
Posts: 4,226 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Pythagoras Oct 3 2009, 03:36 PM where were you standing in that screenshot JFK?
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Pythagoras	Oct 3 2009, 03:44 PM Post #227
Posts: 125 Group: Skeptics Member #1,388 Joined: 09/24/09	Avenger Oct 3 2009, 03:33 PM Quote: Avenger..... i came in here asking if my path was plausible because i dont know..... You should know by now that it is not plausible. How many times are you going to make me repeat the same things? NOBODY HAS THIS PLANE TURNING WHILE PLOWING INTO LIGHT POLES BUT YOU! numerous witnesses who saw the plane moments before impact describe it banking left and dragging the left wing......lagasse describes a left yaw..... the only one who doesnt is sean boger* who you guys say dove to the floor before the plane 'flew over' the building...... Edited by Pythagoras, Oct 3 2009, 04:13 PM.



Pythagoras	Oct 3 2009, 04:32 PM Post #228
Posts: 125 Group: Skeptics Member #1,388 Joined: 09/24/09	from up on that overpass you still cant even see the ground level of the pentagon...... the way i see it you're going to have to say the plane flew away somewhere else....



Domenick DiMaggio	Oct 3 2009, 04:42 PM Post #229
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Pythagoras Oct 3 2009, 11:38 AM no it wouldnt ...i started this here and theyre all over me here in this thread... who's all over you? me? im not cit. i dont see craig or aldo givin you much attention and personally i don't blame them.
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Pythagoras	Oct 3 2009, 04:43 PM Post #230
Posts: 125 Group: Skeptics Member #1,388 Joined: 09/24/09	Domenick DiMaggio Oct 3 2009, 04:42 PM Pythagoras Oct 3 2009, 11:38 AM no it wouldnt ...i started this here and theyre all over me here in this thread... who's all over you? me? im not cit. i dont see craig or aldo givin you much attention and personally i don't blame them. why do you wear the CIT tag at 911p4t then??



Domenick DiMaggio	Oct 3 2009, 04:44 PM Post #231
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Pythagoras Oct 3 2009, 11:42 AM Domenick i've demonstrated my measurements here in this thread with various scaled maps...if you dont believe me then go to the pentagon with a tape measure and do it yourself.... you're the person attempting to discredit pilots for 911 truth and inventing some claims about 1,350 feet. either you explain to the rest of the class how you arrived at this number or you admit to the rest of the class that you don't do your homework and are just making answers up in hopes of somehow proving you're right. i know you're not right. i'm starting to think that you're "not right" in many ways. dig what i'm gettin at?
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Domenick DiMaggio	Oct 3 2009, 04:49 PM Post #232
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Pythagoras Oct 3 2009, 04:43 PM Domenick DiMaggio Oct 3 2009, 04:42 PM Pythagoras Oct 3 2009, 11:38 AM no it wouldnt ...i started this here and theyre all over me here in this thread... who's all over you? me? im not cit. i dont see craig or aldo givin you much attention and personally i don't blame them. why do you wear the CIT tag at 911p4t then?? because cit became the pentagon exclusively in the minds of most. cit was originally an idea aldo came up with years ago when i researched the pentagon exclusively with him. but i moved onto shanksville. whenever i expressed my thoughts about the pentagon other people started trying to hold aldo and craig accountable to my statements. at that time i decided that it was best for cit for me to drop it from my name. especially with the rest of the world seeing cit as "the pentagon team" anyways. since these problems dont arise at the cit or pft forums there was no need to remove it from my name. so technically i am a member of cit and pilots for 9/11 truth but i dont speak on behalf of either organization. at the end of the day i am my own person responsible for my own work and no one else has to be held accountable for anything i say. everything is a lot easier that way....... but i am no official spokesperson for either organization. capiche?
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Domenick DiMaggio	Oct 3 2009, 04:53 PM Post #233
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Pythagoras Oct 3 2009, 03:44 PM numerous witnesses who saw the plane moments before impact describe it banking left and dragging the left wing...... well then show us where the left wing drug at then..........
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Pythagoras	Oct 3 2009, 04:53 PM Post #234
Posts: 125 Group: Skeptics Member #1,388 Joined: 09/24/09	i posted the diagram here earlier Domenick, i even posted the .3dm file for JFK i'm sure its off a little because i had to go by the google scale marker but its not that far off....i whipped that up in a few minutes, rob has had how long with his full scale 3d models? lol why dont you write rob and ask him how he came up with a 135 foot radius...lol



Pythagoras	Oct 3 2009, 04:56 PM Post #235
Posts: 125 Group: Skeptics Member #1,388 Joined: 09/24/09	Domenick DiMaggio Oct 3 2009, 04:53 PM Pythagoras Oct 3 2009, 03:44 PM numerous witnesses who saw the plane moments before impact describe it banking left and dragging the left wing...... well then show us where the left wing drug at then.......... i dont have to, i believe the corroberated witness statements.... Edited by Pythagoras, Oct 3 2009, 05:12 PM.



JFK	Oct 3 2009, 04:58 PM Post #236
Posts: 4,226 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	The following is from Rob Balsamo... I suggest you reply to him on his board since you are now a member there Pythagoras... Rob Balsamo Hey JFK, Tell Pythagoras to look under the words "Stall Speed Impossible To Determine" in his screenshot. Does he see the question mark next to aircraft type and configuration? This is why its impossible to determine. Witnesses cannot accurately determine type aircraft nor configuration. Since Py's theory is that it was a 757, his calculations exceed stall for a 757 as you point out in your Turn Calculator. If Py wants to conclude his aircraft type was an F-22 or Harrier, it can make any wild turn, but cannot bring down the poles as it doesnt have the wingspan. Any aircraft size needed to bring down those poles combined with a 55-60 deg bank at "179 mph", is going to stall in the turn... Period. Unless of course he wants to get into helicopters with rotor diameters of more than 124 feet. That kid is an imbecile... you shouldnt waste too much time with him. Feel free to quote me..
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JFK	Oct 3 2009, 05:41 PM Post #237
Posts: 4,226 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Pythagoras Oct 3 2009, 04:56 PM Domenick DiMaggio Oct 3 2009, 04:53 PM Pythagoras Oct 3 2009, 03:44 PM numerous witnesses who saw the plane moments before impact describe it banking left and dragging the left wing...... well then show us where the left wing drug at then.......... i dont have to, i believe the corroberated witness statements.... Well I can show you where it didn't. http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/6.jpg And many more.
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Pythagoras	Oct 3 2009, 05:47 PM Post #238
Posts: 125 Group: Skeptics Member #1,388 Joined: 09/24/09	why should i go over there....?? he's the one who came here first with his imbecilic calculation......obviously he's following along.... now that i know how to calculate these myself i dont need him.... and i wasnt even arguing for my proposed flightpath in the last several pages...i was only attempting to filter out the incompatible flightpaths in that video which didnt account for the number of corroberating witness statements ..... cmon, i'm trying to help you guys out.... after how many pages we've finally narrowed it down dont you think JFK? Edited by Pythagoras, Oct 3 2009, 05:52 PM.



Pythagoras	Oct 3 2009, 05:54 PM Post #239
Posts: 125 Group: Skeptics Member #1,388 Joined: 09/24/09	the only thing i cant figure out yet is how an airliner can yaw left while banking right without being wildly out of control..... but dont worry guys i'll figure it out!



JFK	Oct 3 2009, 05:56 PM Post #240
Posts: 4,226 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Pythagoras Oct 3 2009, 05:47 PM why should i go over there....?? he's the one who came here first with his imbecilic calculation......obviously he's following along.... now that i know how to calculate these myself i dont need him.... and i wasnt even arguing for my proposed flightpath in the last several pages...i was only attempting to filter out the incompatible flightpaths in that video which didnt account for the number of corroberating witness statements ..... cmon, i'm trying to help you guys out.... after how many pages we've finally narrowed it down dont you think JFK? Once again Rob Balsamo does NOT have an account here. Here let me help you to post there. See you here on a week.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Oct 3 2009, 06:38 PM Post #241
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Pythagoras Oct 3 2009, 05:47 PM why should i go over there....?? he's the one who came here first with his imbecilic calculation..... incorrect. you're the one that came here with an imbecilic flight path. Quote: obviously he's following along.... you're a bigger fool than i initially suspected if you think rob is hanging on to your every post....lol Quote: now that i know how to calculate these myself i dont need him.... i thought you already knew thats how you got your 1,350 feet number.....lol you are the most smug know it all that didn't know jack shit that i think i have ever encountered....... maybe with you're time off you'll learn the things you claim to have already known and stop insulting people who are more qualified, more educated, and have been doing this for way longer.....but i doubt it. maybe you could work on those transcripts.....but i doubt it. maybe you could call some of the eyewitnesses and find a couple who saw it hit light poles....but i doubt it. maybe you'll post over at pilots......but i doubt it.
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gunplumber	Oct 8 2009, 08:04 PM Post #242
Posts: 13 Group: Members Member #1,422 Joined: 10/08/09	Pythagoras Oct 3 2009, 05:54 PM the only thing i cant figure out yet is how an airliner can yaw left while banking right without being wildly out of control..... but dont worry guys i'll figure it out! Pythagorus, All conventional aircraft will naturally yaw in the opposite direction of a roll if no rudder input is given. The effect is called Adverse Yaw. To counter this, the appropriate amount of rudder input must be given in the same direction of a roll in order to accomplish a clean, efficient turn. This is known as a Coordinated Turn. Naturally occuring adverse yaw as well as excessive opposite yaw that is input by the pilot during a roll simply causes the aircraft to go into a rather inefficient sideslip. It does not cause a loss of control. gunplumber Edited by gunplumber, Oct 8 2009, 08:32 PM.
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onesliceshort	Nov 1 2009, 11:29 AM Post #243
Posts: 7 Group: Members Member #1,409 Joined: 10/02/09	Wow, I can´t believe this guy has had 10 pages pushing a flightpath that nobody saw. (And wth is the deal with that avatar man??) Pythagoras, check out this post: http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=873 This will give you a clear idea of the path of the plane from the Annex right down to Route 27 southbound lane. Just in case you can´t be arsed here are a few quotes that you should find interesting and it should give you a challenge to explain how they fit in with your ´path´ Mike Dobbs Upper floor of west wing of Pentagon just above ´impact point´ Quote: I was looking out the window and saw it come right over the Navy Annex at a SLOW angle. It looked to me to be on a zero-to-zero course. Did not witness any dramatic deviances in path of plane. In a later interview he states that he watched the plane for ´10 seconds´ Surely he would have mentioned this ´zig-zag´? Levi Stephens: Interviewed and confirmed by CIT. Quote: I saw this [plane] come flying over the Navy Annex. CIT interviewed him personally He said repeatedly that it was on the "right" of the station or that it would be on his "left" if he was at the station facing the Pentagon. He further confirmed by saying that it was on the "Arlington Cemetery" side of the gas station. Surely he would have mentioned the plane coming straight at him as you have demonstrated? Look how close he was to the lightpoles and didn´t mention the plane anywhere NEAR this area. Penny Elgas http://americanhistory.si.edu/september11/collection/record.asp?ID=28 Quote: ¨As usual, traffic was very heavy and after I exited I-95, I found myself stuck in late morning rush hour traffic -- almost in front of the Pentagon. Traffic was at a standstill. I heard a rumble, looked out my driver's side window and realized that I was looking at the nose of an airplane COMING STRAIGHT AT US from over the road (Columbia Pike) that runs perpendicular to the road I was on. The plane just appeared there- very low in the air, TO THE SIDE OF (AND NOT MUCH ABOVE) THE CITGO GAS STATION that I never knew was there. I SAW THE PLANE COMING IN SLOW MOTION TOWARD MY CAR AND THEN IT BANKED IN THE SLIGHTEST TURN IN FRONT OF ME, TOWARD THE HELIPORT. IN THE NANO-SECOND THAT THE PLANE WAS DIRECTLY OVER THE CARS IN FRONT OF MY CAR, THE PLANE SEEMED TO BE NOT MORE THAN 80 FEET OFF THE GROUND AND ABOUT 4-5 CAR LENGTHS IN FRONT OF ME. It was far enough in front of me that I saw the end of the wing closest to me and the underside of the other wing as that other wing rocked slightly toward the ground.-- I could see the windows and the color stripes.¨ Note the ´slightest turn in front of me´ and the ´other wing rocked slightly toward the ground.´ Where is the major turn you propose? It was so minor to her that the wings appeared almost level. Note how she describes how the plane BEGINNING to turn as it reached the front of her car (the 80ft. agl description is interesting too huh?) Remember she was in the HOV lanes. Christine Peterson At a complete stop on the road in front of the helipad at the Pentagon http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html Quote: ¨I WAS AT A COMPLETE STOP ON THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THE HELIPAD AT THE PENTAGON; what I had thought would be a shortcut was as slow as the other routes I had taken that morning. I LOOKED IDLY OUT MY WINDOW TO THE LEFT -- AND SAW A PLANE FLYING so low I said, “holy cow, that plane is going to hit my car” (not my actual words). The car shook as the plane flew over. It was so close that I could read the numbers under the wing. And then the plane crashed. (does it sound like she actually SAW the plane crash??) Does it sound like the plane went out of her sight behind her THEN headed for her on her blindspot? Robert Turcios at 04:20 in this video describes how the plane had to ´lift´ to clear a roadway sign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iNZNmQPUgs Even witnesses on Route 27 who detractors have clung to like gospel have described what can only be the final leg of an NOC flight, entering the road where Turcios placed it at the roadsign immediately following the roadsign where the first 2 lightpoles are. The following diagram shows the TRUE positions given these people´s testimony and the official flightpath: Lincoln Liebner http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=728 It took the plane 3-4 seconds to cross the lawn if we are to believe the official path? Frank probst http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=841 Steve Riskus http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=780&view=getnewpost 22205 penned his route. ´A´ is his alleged POV when the plane flew over Route 27 Note where he says the plane crossed onto the road: Quote: " I was close enough (about 100 ft or so) that I could see the "American Airlines" logo on the tail as it headed towards the building... The plane looked like it was coming in about where you have the "MAX APPROACH" on that picture... I was at about where the "E" in "ANGLE OF CAMERA" is written when the plane hit... It was not completely level, but it was not going straight down, kind of like it was landing with no gear down...¨ During Sean Boger´s CIT interview: Craig : ¨He says he did not see it hit any light poles but strangely he thought it hit a highway sign.¨ James R Cissell http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/300606flight77.htm Quote: "I was about four cars back from where the plane crossed over the highway. That it happened so quickly I didn't even see what airline it was from.¨ "Looking at the trajectories in the diagrams they have online seems off to me. I remember the plane coming in more directly at the side of the building than at an angle," said Cissell. Albert Hemphill Quote: ¨All in all, I probably only had the aircraft in my field of view for approximately 3 seconds. The aircraft was at a sharp downward angle of attack, on a direct course for the Pentagon. It was "clean", in as much as, there were no flaps applied and no apparent landing gear deployed. He was SLIGHTLY left wing down as he appeared in my line of sight, as if he'd just "jinked" to avoid something. Are you taking note of these ´slight´ manouvres too? Narayanan, Vin Quote: At 9:35 a.m., I pulled alongside the Pentagon. With traffic at a standstill, my eyes wandered around the road, looking for the cause of the traffic jam. Then I looked up to my left and saw an American Airlines jet flying right at me. The jet roared over my head, clearing my car by about 25 feet. The tail of the plane clipped the overhanging exit sign above me as it headed straight at the Pentagon He was in front of the Pentagon (allegedly) and saw the plane coming straight for him. Not looking behind as he would have had to have been if the plane flew SOC. I don´t trust this guy but thought it worth noting him mentioning the roadsign. NOT the roadsign beside the 2 lightpoles as this would have been @ 300m behind him. Check ALL testimonies from people within the Pentagon basin and this recurrent theme pops up. NOC. Straight trajectory. SLIGHT dip of the wing. Give it up Py. Fail.
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