| Welcome! You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Join our community! |
| WTC 7 kinks and drops just like a CD | |
|---|---|
| Topic Started: Sep 27 2009, 03:06 PM (786 Views) | |
| JFK | Oct 4 2009, 03:04 PM Post #51 |
|
Come on, You know that is just another first responder which the skeptics will throw under the bus... Even if he did serve this country by being in the Air Force. They ( the skeptics ) have done that how many times now ? |
 |
 
|
| Alfie | Oct 4 2009, 03:45 PM Post #52 |
|
It is not very obvious why a countdown would have been necessary in respect of a building which had been expected to collapse for hours and from where everyone had been pulled back for safety. Even less obvious is why a countdown should have been broadcast over a radio for the benefit of a red cross worker and anyone nearby. Mr McPadden is clearly not a witness who has attracted much credibility; even on another truther site :- http://activistnyc.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/wtc-7-witnesses-heard-countdown/ |
|
|
|
| JFK | Oct 4 2009, 04:15 PM Post #53 |
|
Like I was saying about skeptics throwing first responders under the bus... Especially when they are from another country. 
|
|
|
|
| T3QuillAMocKINGbird | Oct 4 2009, 05:09 PM Post #54 |
|
Next Alfie will say you don't have any proof that Skeptics disregard 911 First Responders Testimony... ROFLMAO Alfie, So if the Controlled Demolition was broadcast over the Radio and someone who wasn't supposed to hear it got an earfull, suddenly it is not credible. So what evidence could be brought forth to convince a skeptic that WTC7 was a CD? Just because his testimony can be questioned doesn't mean it is questionable. Do you think he came forward to perpetuate a lie? What good does it do to come forward in this capacity, and also being a first responder how does this person benefit in anyway by fabricating or embellishing his own account? Why would a first responder do such a thing? Well I think Kevin McPadden wanted the public to know the truth, so this is where your skepticism should be satisfied finally after all your questions and inquiry you now have a definitive answer about WTC7. If you had questions about all the other inconsistancies that possibly could have persuaded you, but still you held out for more, then the combination of this first responder account should be overwhelming by now that WTC7 was a Controlled Demolition. |
|
|
|
| JFK | Oct 4 2009, 07:44 PM Post #55 |
|
Yeah, don't forget what Michael Hess himself had to say....
Edited by JFK, Oct 4 2009, 07:45 PM.
|
|
|
|
| beantownfan247 | Oct 4 2009, 09:33 PM Post #56 |
|
If it was brodcast over the radio, why is there no audio recording of it?? I can tell you why. Because there wasn't a countdown. One any radio frequency in NYC, as every second, of every recording has been scrutinized. It wasn't there. Sorry, I have heard every minute. It wasn't there. Here is a link to all of the audio from 9/11. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_05.html |
|
|
|
| JFK | Oct 4 2009, 09:46 PM Post #57 |
|
Are you seriously that naieve as to think that all frequencies are listed in your source ?  Edit to add I also see that none are time coded for 17:20... So of course you will not hear a countdown in those. Edited by JFK, Oct 4 2009, 09:55 PM.
|
|
|
|
| ULTIMA1 | Oct 5 2009, 03:05 AM Post #58 |
|
Well and add the fact that the fire commander could have only been talking about the building when he stated "PULL IT". He could not have been talking about the firefighters since the firefighters were out of the building, 1. Because they were not fighting the fire. 2. The firefighters that were in or around the building were puilled back out of the safety zone well before the call to Silverstein was made per Chief Haydens and Nigros statements. |
|
|
|
| Alfie | Oct 5 2009, 05:18 AM Post #59 |
|
That's pretty rich coming from a member of a movement that routinely describes all manner of folk as "accomplices to mass murder " " paid goverment stooges " " disinfo agents " and all without a shred of evidence. |
|
|
|
| Duffman1013 | Oct 5 2009, 05:55 AM Post #60 |
|
Alfie, don't look now, but you could be one of those paid government stooges... lol. Get over yourself, you've been proven at Shanksville, you've been proven at the Pentagon, you've been pwned on WTC7. Your best friend Toriac got banned for Trolling and not looking at evidence brought to him on a silver platter. Sooooo........ my friend, I think you should really, _really_ reconsider your ad hominem against the admins. From what I've seen, JFK hasn't been in the best of moods the last couple weeks... :-) |
|
|
|
| Alfie | Oct 5 2009, 02:54 PM Post #61 |
|
T3QuillAMocKINGbird I have tried to look at the circumstances of the collapse of WTC 7 as objectively as possible and I do not believe for a minute that it was a cd. To go back to basics, I do not believe that the US government, or parts thereof, had sufficient criminal lunatics to set this supposed plot in train. And, even if they did, I do not believe they could have recruited sufficient amoral killers to carry it out. Recruitment would have been from educated professionals with relevant expertise, aviation, demolition, explosives etc, not junkie dregs of the prison population. Do you really believe they all signed up to the murder of thousands of their fellow citizens and never said a word in the 8 years plus since ? Anyway, for the sake of argument, why include WTC 7 in the plot ? The only explanations I have heard is that there were important government offices there, a reason to keep off I would have thought, plus plots were hatched there and there were incriminating documents about. So, instead of putting these incriminating documents through a shredder, it was decided to blow the whole bulding up and likely spread them over half New York. Now, to get to the collapse itself, I have considered carefully what Jennings and Hess had to say. They were in the OEM on the 23rd floor when the power failed. I believe all the evidence points to this power failure being the result of the collapse of the South Tower at 0959. On their way down the stairs, because the elevators were not working, they were trapped at the 6th or 8th floor. Something dramatic happened at this point, Hess described the whole building shaking and Jennings said there were explosions. It seem to me most likely that this was the result of the collapse of the North Tower at 10.28. Even if it wasn't it could have been vehicles, fuel tanks exploding, whatever. Bottom of the list would surely be a demolition charge some 7 hours before collapse. Subsequent to this, we have the fires raging for hours. FDNY firefighters pulled back. FDNY firefighters saying the " structural integrity " of the building has gone. Finally, without any sounds of demolition charges, the whole thing goes down. Mr K McPadden and his countdown story does not impress me at all. He has clearly developed his story over time :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lhwCM_dicc No-one has corroborated his account of a countdown and how many radios were in the vicinity that day ? |
|
|
|
| JFK | Oct 5 2009, 04:10 PM Post #62 |
|
This we know alfie, your belief lies with the official story and has the ferver of a religious belief. |
|
|
|
| DoYouEverWonder | Oct 5 2009, 05:01 PM Post #63 |
|
Since Alfie is so knowledgeable, maybe he can tell us about the design and structure of WTC 7? |
|
|
|
| JFK | Oct 5 2009, 05:06 PM Post #64 |
|
Or perhaps the weight of the concrete floor by floor in the towers as that is a critical number in any calculation regarding the impacts and collapse of the towers and is mentioned nowhere in any report. |
|
|
|
| Alfie | Oct 5 2009, 05:19 PM Post #65 |
|
JFK It is not a religious belief. I have my reasons and I gave some of them. My position is that I do not think the truth movement has come up with anything conclusive and does not even have a coherent alternative theory. Everything that I am directed to from Cee Cee Lyles' driving licence to Larry Silverstein's "pull-it", to Kevin McPadden's story just falls apart when you examine them closely. I don't accept that the msm is quiescent and apathetic in the face of government and authority. Far from it. But, like me, they just don't think you have anything. Now, if UA 93 say ,was to turn up on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean or buried in Texas the whole thing would turn around and I would want the culprits caught as much as anyone. Barring that though, I think this will just jog along for years in company with your namesakes assassination, moon hoax etc |
|
|
|
| JFK | Oct 5 2009, 05:46 PM Post #66 |
|
Which is exactly what the perps want. I'll bet they are glad to have you on their side alfie. |
|
|
|
| T3QuillAMocKINGbird | Oct 5 2009, 07:23 PM Post #67 |
|
Alfie, So you would expect any other building to crumple upon itself instead of resisting and leaning? There is no resistance in columns that held the building and were not affected by fire, in essentially freefall. If all it takes is one beam to give way to take down a whole building then why do CD teams go to so much trouble to wire whole buildings? They must want to over charge their clients. And by this same admission you are stating that a 2 person team could have rigged this beam and accomplished the same task that fire accomplished as you state. The solomon building actually was renovated and 200 million in improvements were added, among other reinforcements that included later the 13 million dollar OEM. WTC7 sure is a flimsy building. It just crumples upon itself. So you should be real skeptical if you believe fire alone brought down the building because that destroys an argument against even one person setting charges under a specific load beam. Now if it is Silverman that called the shots and Pull it meant Demo it, the only reason why it would be incriminating is that he could not accept his insurance payout for that building. So at the least if this were the scenario why would this still be covered up? It would be so easy to just cease the confusion and have Leisure Suit Larry come forward and state they really PULLED the building. Oh I see why it is still covered up, because all the IQ's of JREFer's and Skeptics around the world would naturally collapse. The Salomon Solution; A Building Within a Building, at a Cost of $200 Million
Wow it was made of Paper Mache Concrete and Flimsy rusty old Steel!
Edited by T3QuillAMocKINGbird, Oct 5 2009, 07:30 PM.
|
|
|
|
| tuatara | Oct 5 2009, 08:16 PM Post #68 |
|
That's a pretty selective list of people you choose not to believe - after all you believe Lloyd England even though his story is physically impossible and nobody corroborates it. And 14 people state that the plane did not fly near the light-poles. Not very skeptical of you. As for JFK's assassination, it was impossible for it to be LHO firing on his own. The fact that any alternative theory may also be incorrect does not change that simple fact. |
|
|
|
| ULTIMA1 | Oct 6 2009, 03:17 AM Post #69 |
|
Its just too bad there is so much evidence that shows reasonable doubt in the official story. People that still believe the official story want too because they want to live in a safe fantasy world and have a hard time with reallity. They usually become media robots and go along with what they have been told to believe. Edited by ULTIMA1, Oct 6 2009, 03:19 AM.
|
|
|
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
Michael_Hess.mp3 (160 KB)| « Previous Topic · Skeptics · Next Topic » |
5:10 AM Nov 27
