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Authoritarianism And the Movement
Topic Started: Sep 24 2009, 06:01 AM (837 Views)
Aldo Marquis CIT	Oct 12 2009, 03:56 PM Post #51
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Alfie Oct 12 2009, 02:48 PM Aldo M Do you mean that your noc witnesses now agree that the plane did not hit the Pentagon ? I don't know(and neither does anyone else) what they all believe now that they are aware of the implications. I know what they thought before, when they went on camera. It is irrelevant, Alfie. If they saw it NoC, they could NOT have witnessed that plane hitting the building. You do understand that right? Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Oct 12 2009, 04:43 PM.
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Alfie	Oct 12 2009, 04:24 PM Post #52
Posts: 265 Group: Skeptics Member #1,237 Joined: 07/17/09	JFK Oct 12 2009, 03:56 PM Alfie Oct 12 2009, 03:41 PM ToS Oct 12 2009, 03:09 PM Alfie Oct 12 2009, 02:59 PM I suppose that taking the minor part of a Pentagon witnesses account, the flight path You saying the MULTIPLE witnesses who's North of Citgo testimony PROVES an inside job is "minor"? ToS Thanks for cutting my sentence in half in order to try and change its meaning. Yes, the flightpath is relatively minor and likely to be much more subject to error than the memory of the plane impacting the Pentagon. Scale the drama down. You and your wife are out for a walk. I run up and shoot your wife through the head. What are you most likely to remember ? that your wife was shot in the head or where exactly I came from ? BTW the noc witnesses, who still maintain the plane crashed into the Pentagon, don't begin to prove an inside job. Now, put your wife a half mile in front of you and have the villan come running by you to get to her. Will you remember which side of you ( Left or right ) he came by ? In your case I doubt it... I do not in the officer's case. JFK As with all analogies, mine wasn't quite right but yours is much further out. If my wife was half a mile ahead and the killer ran past me to get to her then I would have at least 2 minutes to consider the situation. Witnesses at or around the Citgo had less than 2 seconds to observe a plane going from there to the Pentagon, at a speed not much slower than one of Davy Crocket's musket balls.



tuatara	Oct 12 2009, 04:42 PM Post #53
Posts: 197 Group: Members Member #1,046 Joined: 02/02/09	Alfie Oct 12 2009, 03:41 PM Yes, the flightpath is relatively minor and likely to be much more subject to error than the memory of the plane impacting the Pentagon. Subject to error for multiple people in the same way? Really? So the Arlington workers in the car park mistakenly believed that the plane was flying directly towards them when it wasn't? And more than one of them made the same mistake? Sean Boger had a plane coming directly towards him in a moment that must have changed his life and yet mistakenly places it in the wrong place - but the same place as the Arlington workers in the car park? None of the witnesses plane it ANYWHERE NEAR where it has to be for the official story to be correct. Found anyone to corroborate Lloyd England's tale yet Alfie?
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Flippy	Oct 12 2009, 04:50 PM Post #54
Posts: 578 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: 01/12/08	I'm not seeing how a time frame is relevant. A plane is a pretty big thing. I think you would remember if you saw one flying very low to the ground over your head while getting gasoline. Especially on 9/11. Most likely even the weeks after. Hell, maybe even today. Add on the fact that most people on that day had already witnessed planes crashing into buildings. One might say "whoa, that plane is close" BANG "whoa it hit the pentagon, see the smoke plume?"
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JFK	Oct 12 2009, 05:01 PM Post #55
Posts: 4,219 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Alfie Oct 12 2009, 04:24 PM JFK As with all analogies, mine wasn't quite right but yours is much further out. If my wife was half a mile ahead and the killer ran past me to get to her then I would have at least 2 minutes to consider the situation. Witnesses at or around the Citgo had less than 2 seconds to observe a plane going from there to the Pentagon, at a speed not much slower than one of Davy Crocket's musket balls. So you again throw the witnesses under the bus when they state the 10 to 12 seconds from the navy annex... But I am not surprised as that is typical for you Alfie.
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Alfie	Oct 12 2009, 05:21 PM Post #56
Posts: 265 Group: Skeptics Member #1,237 Joined: 07/17/09	JFK Oct 12 2009, 05:01 PM Alfie Oct 12 2009, 04:24 PM JFK As with all analogies, mine wasn't quite right but yours is much further out. If my wife was half a mile ahead and the killer ran past me to get to her then I would have at least 2 minutes to consider the situation. Witnesses at or around the Citgo had less than 2 seconds to observe a plane going from there to the Pentagon, at a speed not much slower than one of Davy Crocket's musket balls. So you again throw the witnesses under the bus when they state the 10 to 12 seconds from the navy annex... But I am not surprised as that is typical for you Alfie. JFK I haven't thrown any witnesses under the bus. I have never accused any witness of lying. That doesn't mean though that I accept everything they say. In traumatic situations eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable and I am sure I wouldn't be any more reliable in the circumstances. I arrived at my 2 seconds from Citgo to Pentagon on the basis of 550 metres at an estimated terminal velocity of 530 mph. How far is the Navy Annexe from the Pentagon please ? 10-12 seconds flying time sounds way too much.



JFK	Oct 12 2009, 05:36 PM Post #57
Posts: 4,219 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Alfie Oct 12 2009, 05:21 PM JFK Oct 12 2009, 05:01 PM Alfie Oct 12 2009, 04:24 PM JFK As with all analogies, mine wasn't quite right but yours is much further out. If my wife was half a mile ahead and the killer ran past me to get to her then I would have at least 2 minutes to consider the situation. Witnesses at or around the Citgo had less than 2 seconds to observe a plane going from there to the Pentagon, at a speed not much slower than one of Davy Crocket's musket balls. So you again throw the witnesses under the bus when they state the 10 to 12 seconds from the navy annex... But I am not surprised as that is typical for you Alfie. JFK I haven't thrown any witnesses under the bus. I have never accused any witness of lying. That doesn't mean though that I accept everything they say. In traumatic situations eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable and I am sure I wouldn't be any more reliable in the circumstances. I arrived at my 2 seconds from Citgo to Pentagon on the basis of 550 metres at an estimated terminal velocity of 530 mph. How far is the Navy Annexe from the Pentagon please ? 10-12 seconds flying time sounds way too much. Where did you get the 530 MPH from Alfie ? The last known official speed for flight 77 was 379 MPH... That is from the 84 RADES data, or are you throwing that under the bus as well ? http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6772/masterplot2jn9.png
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Alfie	Oct 12 2009, 05:56 PM Post #58
Posts: 265 Group: Skeptics Member #1,237 Joined: 07/17/09	JFK Oct 12 2009, 05:36 PM Alfie Oct 12 2009, 05:21 PM JFK Oct 12 2009, 05:01 PM Alfie Oct 12 2009, 04:24 PM JFK As with all analogies, mine wasn't quite right but yours is much further out. If my wife was half a mile ahead and the killer ran past me to get to her then I would have at least 2 minutes to consider the situation. Witnesses at or around the Citgo had less than 2 seconds to observe a plane going from there to the Pentagon, at a speed not much slower than one of Davy Crocket's musket balls. So you again throw the witnesses under the bus when they state the 10 to 12 seconds from the navy annex... But I am not surprised as that is typical for you Alfie. JFK I haven't thrown any witnesses under the bus. I have never accused any witness of lying. That doesn't mean though that I accept everything they say. In traumatic situations eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable and I am sure I wouldn't be any more reliable in the circumstances. I arrived at my 2 seconds from Citgo to Pentagon on the basis of 550 metres at an estimated terminal velocity of 530 mph. How far is the Navy Annexe from the Pentagon please ? 10-12 seconds flying time sounds way too much. Where did you get the 530 MPH from Alfie ? The last known official speed for flight 77 was 379 MPH... That is from the 84 RADES data, or are you throwing that under the bus as well ? http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6772/masterplot2jn9.png JFK The 530 mph is the 9/11 Commissions' estimate of terminal velocity. I recall that you yourself referred to the speed of 379 mph, in a recent post I cannot put my hand to, but you acknowledged that it was accelerating and we both know that was some time before impact for an aircraft in a dive.



JFK	Oct 12 2009, 06:01 PM Post #59
Posts: 4,219 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Alfie Oct 12 2009, 05:56 PM JFK The 530 mph is the 9/11 Commissions' estimate of terminal velocity. I recall that you yourself referred to the speed of 379 mph, in a recent post I cannot put my hand to, but you acknowledged that it was accelerating and we both know that was some time before impact for an aircraft in a dive. FFS Alfie, am I going to have to begin calling you Scott ? Look at that image again... Closely. Edit to add - Where did the 911 Commision get the data from ? Edited by JFK, Oct 12 2009, 06:02 PM.
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Alfie	Oct 12 2009, 06:03 PM Post #60
Posts: 265 Group: Skeptics Member #1,237 Joined: 07/17/09	JFK Oct 12 2009, 06:01 PM Alfie Oct 12 2009, 05:56 PM JFK The 530 mph is the 9/11 Commissions' estimate of terminal velocity. I recall that you yourself referred to the speed of 379 mph, in a recent post I cannot put my hand to, but you acknowledged that it was accelerating and we both know that was some time before impact for an aircraft in a dive. FFS Alfie, am I going to have to begin calling you Scott ? Look at that image again... Closely. Edit to add - Where did the 911 Commision get the data from ? JFK What image ?



Alfie	Oct 12 2009, 06:18 PM Post #61
Posts: 265 Group: Skeptics Member #1,237 Joined: 07/17/09	JFK Its gone midnight here and I'm off to bed. Maybe pick up on this later. Goodnight.



JFK	Oct 12 2009, 06:46 PM Post #62
Posts: 4,219 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Alfie Oct 12 2009, 06:03 PM JFK Oct 12 2009, 06:01 PM Alfie Oct 12 2009, 05:56 PM JFK The 530 mph is the 9/11 Commissions' estimate of terminal velocity. I recall that you yourself referred to the speed of 379 mph, in a recent post I cannot put my hand to, but you acknowledged that it was accelerating and we both know that was some time before impact for an aircraft in a dive. FFS Alfie, am I going to have to begin calling you Scott ? Look at that image again... Closely. Edit to add - Where did the 911 Commision get the data from ? JFK What image ? http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6772/masterplot2jn9.png
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ULTIMA1	Oct 13 2009, 03:29 AM Post #63
Posts: 183 Group: Members Member #1,188 Joined: 05/26/09	People on here need to read the witness account that raisies doubt for the other witness accounts and would make them hard to hold up in court. A witness stated that "They did not know what hit the Pentagon, they were told later it was a 757". So the queastion is how many other witnesses were told later it was a 757?
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