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but as dumb as you "skeptical" guys (and gals) are, you aint that dumb. this whole bullshit smear (as it played out on that radio show and has continued here in this thread) is an obvious and woefully transparent ploy: smear avery (and the truth movement by association) with accusations of disrespect for the heroes, and then pose some ridiculous insinuation based on ill-logic in a calculated attempt to tarnish his (and by associaton our) name/reputation. but whatever you do, dodge the issues of substance and avoid actual debate. thanks to an accomodating and like-minded radio host, you got your wish. but in spite of your 15 minutes, you have not succeeded in accomplishing your overall and ultimate agenda.

9/11 truth is NOT going way, ever.

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about triforcharity: i wanna see proof of this alleged fireman actually being anything other than a pseudoskeptical douche. you slimey jref bastards would definitely lie in order to help add weight to your worthless accusations, and this guy could be a prime example of it. without proof, who knows? so come on mr.fireman, what are your credentials? which firehouse? got proof? scans of your id? anything? or just lots of hot air and indignation?

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if you - "triforcharity" - are gonna speak publicly against avery/loosechange and/or 9/11 truth, and want to claim to do so as a 9/11nyfd firefighter, then you need to do it with your real name and the name of your 9/11 fire fighting unit. otherwise you are just another random anonymous prick with an axe to grind. you cant both claim to speak as a nyfd 9/11 responder and at the same time be anonymous. and guess what? even if you do reveal who you are and it turns out (beyond any doubt) that you really were there on 9/11 as a fire fighter, it still doesnt prove any other fireman supports your anti-avery and/or your anti-9/11truth stance, that is unless they too are willing to go on record with their real names and nyfd affiliations. so even then its just you and you alone who hates 9/11 truth, not your alleged firefighting brethren.

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and does this sound like a firefighter?


source: http://tinyurl.com/ntfnhc

no, it doesnt.
it barely sounds like a human being,
much less one tasked with saving lives.

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"triforcharity" prove you are what/who you claim to be,
or quit exploiting the nyfd to further your own personal vendetta.

beantownfan247

Sep 20 2009, 11:44 PM

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but as dumb as you "skeptical" guys (and gals) are, you aint that dumb. this whole bullshit smear (as it played out on that radio show and has continued here in this thread) is an obvious and woefully transparent ploy: smear avery (and the truth movement by association) with accusations of disrespect for the heroes, and then pose some ridiculous insinuation based on ill-logic in a calculated attempt to tarnish his (and by associaton our) name/reputation. but whatever you do, dodge the issues of substance and avoid actual debate. thanks to an accomodating and like-minded radio host, you got your wish. but in spite of your 15 minutes, you have not succeeded in accomplishing your overall and ultimate agenda.

9/11 truth is NOT going way, ever.

You dolts certainly tarnish your own reputations all by yourself. You most certainly don't need anyones help in doing so. Just look at how some of your ilk have treated Ground Zero, where ~3,000 people died. You get into arguments with firefighters DURING THE SERVICE, ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFf-buObxl8 ) and even say that NOBODY died that day!! Some of your ilk have refered to the victims as "VicSims". This is repulsive and disgusting.


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about triforcharity: i wanna see proof of this alleged fireman actually being anything other than a pseudoskeptical douche. you slimey jref bastards would definitely lie in order to help add weight to your worthless accusations, and this guy could be a prime example of it. without proof, who knows? so come on mr.fireman, what are your credentials? which firehouse? got proof? scans of your id? anything? or just lots of hot air and indignation?

I highly doubt that Triforcharity is going to post anything to the likes of you idiots. Especially after Bermas has ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, accused FDNY of being in on it, or paid off. And yet, your little puppetmaster Dylan doesn't distance himself from it. Even lets that craptacular shit into his "movie".
I have seen first hand the class of the "truthers". They aren't a very friendly bunch of people to people who don't believe the BS that you people do. That is evident right here on this board. Look how you reponded to him?? Cannot prove that what he is saying is false, so you attack him personally. How rude can you be??

He doesn't have to prove anything. He is not stating his opinion as THE FDNY, just as a FORMER member of FDNY. Even I could hear that. Damn.
Oh, and looking through his posts over on JREF, it looks as though he is retired from FDNY, and works for some department in Florida.

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if you - "triforcharity" - are gonna speak publicly against avery/loosechange and/or 9/11 truth, and want to claim to do so as a 9/11nyfd firefighter, then you need to do it with your real name and the name of your 9/11 fire fighting unit. otherwise you are just another random anonymous prick with an axe to grind. you cant both claim to speak as a nyfd 9/11 responder and at the same time be anonymous. and guess what? even if you do reveal who you are and it turns out (beyond any doubt) that you really were there on 9/11 as a fire fighter, it still doesnt prove any other fireman supports your anti-avery and/or your anti-9/11truth stance, that is unless they too are willing to go on record with their real names and nyfd affiliations. so even then its just you and you alone who hates 9/11 truth, not your alleged firefighting brethren.

He did not claim to do so as a member of FDNY (Which, BTW, it is FDNY, not NYFD ) as he stated he was retired. Nice strawman.
Another thing. I know it to be fact that the FDNY firefighters are not allowed to post their badges/IDcards/Etc online, as then people caan make copies of them, and make fake id's. I wouldn't put it past some of the people here to do just that, and then use HIS name to tarnish the reputation of FDNY and it's members. Also, if he were to use his name and his standing in the FDNY to further any cause the FDNY didn't support, he would be in some deep shit. Kinda like Gage was when he was using the AIA logo in his little speaches. The AIA allows his personal opinions to be heard, but when you start to use the AIA name to further a personal agenda, that is where things can get very dangerous. I am sure the same thing goes for members of FDNY.

He doesn't have to provide any real names, just as you or I do not either. He has a right to privacy, again, just as you and I.

He most certainly CAN speak on behalf of himself, a RETIRED firefighter from FDNY. Just as Gage can speak on behalf of himself as a member of AIA. Yeah, I know, Gage's name is everywhere, but he chose that. Triforcharity has valued his privacy. You either need to respect that, or don't try to force him to do anything.

I have the prefect solution to you. Take a group of your idiot brethern, go to FDNY, and speak to the guys at 10 house. See what they have to say. Tell them exactly who you are, and see what happens. I bet a few of you will need ice for your bruised egos. Oh, and out of a department of over 14,000 members, only ONE would publically put his name on it, and he was retired for 15 years at the time. AND, he worked in admin, not a firefighter. So, you are still down to 0 firefighters who were there that day from FDNY that are on that petition. It's a BS little group.

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and does this sound like a firefighter?


source: http://tinyurl.com/ntfnhc

no, it doesnt.
it barely sounds like a human being,
much less one tasked with saving lives.

So, just because someone has the same SN as someone else, it automatically make it him?? What if I posted in YOUR name, and spewed all this nonsense all over the interwebs?? Would it automatically mean its you?? Of course not. But, in TrutherLand, it certainly does. Even though you yourself said its an "anonymous" name on a message board.

Also, he has already given you a hint. His first naame is Matthew. So, go with that. You seem to be quite the detective. (InvestiGoogler)

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"triforcharity" prove you are what/who you claim to be,
or quit exploiting the nyfd to further your own personal vendetta.

He never did that. Remeber, he never sated that he was speaking on behalf of the FDNY. Plus, I highly doubt the FDNY would have any issues with his personal opinions. Plus, he is not exploiting anything. That is what Dylan, Jason, Gage, both Jonses and most everyone else in the "truth" movement does.

beantownfan247

Oct 4 2009, 10:48 AM

Wow, thanks sir. Couldn't refute anything, so just go right for the gusto and ban me.

How suprising.