Who was the male in Flight 93's cockpit?

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Who was the male in Flight 93's cockpit?; Strange encounter at Newark Airport
Topic Started: Sep 15 2009, 02:20 PM (325 Views)
Woody Box	Sep 15 2009, 02:20 PM Post #1
Posts: 120 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	Anthony Mazza provided United 93 with fuel before departure. He has a weird story to tell: http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/09/who-was-male-in-flight-93s-co-pilot.html
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noeffects	Sep 15 2009, 07:25 PM Post #2
Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	Did Mazza have to go thru the jetgate or use airstairs to get into the plane to hand him the paper ? Any cameras on the tarmac or gates?
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UKperspective	Sep 16 2009, 04:14 PM Post #3
Posts: 63 Group: Members Member #177 Joined: 01/22/08	Great find. Although without corroboration it remains as another unconfirmed rumour.. Do we know that the official co-pilot has to receive the fuelling paperwork ? Is there any possibility that another colleague was sittng in For Leroy Homer as a favour while he took a phone call or something, but he made it to the flight when it actually took off ? Edited by UKperspective, Sep 16 2009, 04:18 PM.
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22205	Sep 16 2009, 04:36 PM Post #4
Arlingtonian Posts: 444 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: 01/14/08	UKperspective Sep 16 2009, 04:14 PM Although without corroboration it remains as another unconfirmed rumour.. with all due respect ukp, i would put this find in a class more solid and higher (perhaps significantly so) than a "rumor". the man in question was interviewed (possibly under oath) by the FBI in October of 2001, a very sensitive and crucial time in the "invesitgation" of 9/11, so i doubt he would have taken the chance of reporting rumors or misleading them. i put investigation in quotes btw - cuz a genuine investigation would have picked up on this crucial detail (along with many other overlooked contradictory pieces of information) and INVESTIGATED it further until some definite facts were found, and definite conclusions reached. instead it just ends up being buried in mounds of documents, waiting for some independent and sincere truth seeker (one without any official authority or subpeona power unfortunately) to dig up and expose, as woody has done. as always woody, great work digging into and exposing the details (and their implications to some extent). <salute>



Woody Box	Sep 17 2009, 02:50 PM Post #5
Posts: 120 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	22205 Sep 16 2009, 04:36 PM UKperspective Sep 16 2009, 04:14 PM Although without corroboration it remains as another unconfirmed rumour.. with all due respect ukp, i would put this find in a class more solid and higher (perhaps significantly so) than a "rumor". the man in question was interviewed (possibly under oath) by the FBI in October of 2001, a very sensitive and crucial time in the "invesitgation" of 9/11, so i doubt he would have taken the chance of reporting rumors or misleading them. i put investigation in quotes btw - cuz a genuine investigation would have picked up on this crucial detail (along with many other overlooked contradictory pieces of information) and INVESTIGATED it further until some definite facts were found, and definite conclusions reached. instead it just ends up being buried in mounds of documents, waiting for some independent and sincere truth seeker (one without any official authority or subpeona power unfortunately) to dig up and expose, as woody has done. as always woody, great work digging into and exposing the details (and their implications to some extent). <salute> Thank you, 22205, and well said. At first, Mazza wasn't suspicious at all. He only was alerted when he saw the memorial (on TV, I assume), and only then he felt compelled to go to the FBI. You don't go to the FBI with a rumor in your pocket. Quote: Is there any possibility that another colleague was sittng in For Leroy Homer as a favour while he took a phone call or something, but he made it to the flight when it actually took off ? @UKperspective: The only person I can think of is Jason Dahl, the pilot, but as I tried to explain already, this is unlikely because Mazza certainly had seen a picture of Dahl, too. I don't think Dahl and Homer let any other "colleague" embark the cockpit. Keep in mind, this was just before the passengers boarded the plane. Also note that according to an ACARS message from United 93, the plane took off at 8:28. This makes me believe that the plane where Mazza met the "male" was the "official" one that took off at 8:42. But it was apparently not N591UA.
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noeffects	Sep 17 2009, 03:13 PM Post #6
Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	for legitimacy...notice all the blanked out text... http://www.scribd.com/doc/18886292/T7-B12-Flight-93-Calls-Leroy-Homer-Fdr-Entire-Contents-FBI-302s-429
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noeffects	Sep 17 2009, 03:49 PM Post #7
Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	So is Anthony J. Mazza still alive and well ?
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Q	Sep 18 2009, 08:49 AM Post #8
A Higher Evolution Posts: 525 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: 01/13/08	noeffects Sep 15 2009, 07:25 PM Did Mazza have to go thru the jetgate or use airstairs to get into the plane to hand him the paper ? Any cameras on the tarmac or gates? I can't answer those questions, but any commercial take-off that I've ever observed involved "paperwork" being passed between the refueler/serviceman and one of the pilots.



Woody Box	Sep 19 2009, 01:39 PM Post #9
Posts: 120 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	Q Sep 18 2009, 08:49 AM noeffects Sep 15 2009, 07:25 PM Did Mazza have to go thru the jetgate or use airstairs to get into the plane to hand him the paper ? Any cameras on the tarmac or gates? I can't answer those questions, but any commercial take-off that I've ever observed involved "paperwork" being passed between the refueler/serviceman and one of the pilots. Thanks for the info, much more useful than noeffects' redundant questions. As I wrote in the article: The absence of Dahl and Homer is even more disturbing than the presence of this male. My conclusion: a duplicated UA 93 at Newark.
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DoYouEverWonder	Sep 19 2009, 03:24 PM Post #10
Posts: 437 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: 01/24/08	Woody Box Sep 19 2009, 01:39 PM Q Sep 18 2009, 08:49 AM noeffects Sep 15 2009, 07:25 PM Did Mazza have to go thru the jetgate or use airstairs to get into the plane to hand him the paper ? Any cameras on the tarmac or gates? I can't answer those questions, but any commercial take-off that I've ever observed involved "paperwork" being passed between the refueler/serviceman and one of the pilots. Thanks for the info, much more useful than noeffects' redundant questions. As I wrote in the article: The absence of Dahl and Homer is even more disturbing than the presence of this male. My conclusion: a duplicated UA 93 at Newark. What do you think happened to the 'real' Flight 93? There were two passengers on 'Flight 93' that knew how to fly and one was a very experienced pilot, who sort of fits Mazza's discription. The christian wrestler that I posted about on Pilots. They might have been the ones flying the swap plane?
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Woody Box	Sep 21 2009, 12:35 PM Post #11
Posts: 120 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	DoYouEverWonder Sep 19 2009, 03:24 PM What do you think happened to the 'real' Flight 93? There were two passengers on 'Flight 93' that knew how to fly and one was a very experienced pilot, who sort of fits Mazza's discription. The christian wrestler that I posted about on Pilots. They might have been the ones flying the swap plane? I read your post at the pilots. You're talking of David Greene (I think that was his name). The presence of this guy on Flight 93 makes the official "hero" story IMO absolutely unplausible - that Burnett and Beamer planned to sacrifice themselves in order to save lives on the ground. No need to sacrifice - if a pilot was on board, it was possible to overthrow the hijackers AND to save the plane from crashing. I don't think, however, that Greene was on the duplicated UA93. I think all of the passengers boarded the plane with tail number N591UA (=UA 93) with Dahl and Homer as pilots. I don't know what happened to the UA93 with the "male" in the cockpit, but Mazza's story is only the prelude for a real bombshell I'm going to publish soon - with irrefutable evidence for a duplicated UA93 taking a different flight path than the official one. (I'm not talking of the post-Shanksville UA93 - that's still another story...)
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DoYouEverWonder	Sep 21 2009, 06:34 PM Post #12
Posts: 437 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: 01/24/08	Woody Box Sep 21 2009, 12:35 PM Quote: The presence of this guy on Flight 93 makes the official "hero" story IMO absolutely unplausible - that Burnett and Beamer planned to sacrifice themselves in order to save lives on the ground. I agree. Did you know that all of the planes had extra pilots? A couple of them were Top Guns. Another was an astronaut. All of them in very good physical condition.
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