Odin All Father

Jul 27 2009, 01:54 PM

Alright guyz, I've known about this whole 9/11 truth movement for quite a while, being an avid listen to Coast to Coast Am and all. Here's some ideas I've come up with while laying around thinking about this whole "truth" movement.

1.If the feds were able to fake a massive terrorist attack couldn't they have planted WMDs in Iraq as well as faking a connection between Saddam and various terrorists organizations? This would have made the whole thing look at less sketchy and probably would have made public support for the war go up a lot. It would be a lot simpler then faking 9/11.

2.Okay I know this has been covered before but really, how many people would the feds have to pay to cover this thing up? A lot. But wouldn't some people have been like "hecks no dude, I'mma bring this to the news media and be a hero". Or "I'm a decent person and I'm not afraid of you spooks so I'm gonna do the right thing."

3. Why the complex nature of the plot? Wouldn't it be easier to believe if the towers just got blown up by explosives inside the building? Why would they cook up this hard to swallow story?

Alfie

Jul 27 2009, 01:59 PM

Some people have wasted nearly 8 years of their lives on this

Flippy

Jul 27 2009, 02:17 PM

Over 60% of the American population believe we haven't been told the whole truth about 9/11. The better question is what is wrong with you 40% on the fringe?

I guess if common sense were so common more people would have it.

Alfie

Jul 27 2009, 02:30 PM

One of my main problems with the so-called "truth movement" is that I think they are diverting attention from serious issues that should be examined.

ToS

Jul 27 2009, 02:34 PM

Alfie

Jul 27 2009, 02:30 PM

One of my main problems with the so-called "truth movement" is that I think they are diverting attention from serious issues that should be examined.

But if we are such a small movement made up of mostly crackpots as you skeptics contend, why do you give a fcuk about what we think?

Alfie

Jul 27 2009, 02:51 PM

Well ToS, apart from anything else, I do have to admit that I like an argument. Sad I suppose isn't it ?

Odin All Father

Jul 27 2009, 01:54 PM

Alright guyz, I've known about this whole 9/11 truth movement for quite a while, being an avid listen to Coast to Coast Am and all. Here's some ideas I've come up with while laying around thinking about this whole "truth" movement.

1.If the feds were able to fake a massive terrorist attack couldn't they have planted WMDs in Iraq as well as faking a connection between Saddam and various terrorists organizations? This would have made the whole thing look at less sketchy and probably would have made public support for the war go up a lot. It would be a lot simpler then faking 9/11.

2.Okay I know this has been covered before but really, how many people would the feds have to pay to cover this thing up? A lot. But wouldn't some people have been like "hecks no dude, I'mma bring this to the news media and be a hero". Or "I'm a decent person and I'm not afraid of you spooks so I'm gonna do the right thing."

3. Why the complex nature of the plot? Wouldn't it be easier to believe if the towers just got blown up by explosives inside the building? Why would they cook up this hard to swallow story?

tuatara

Jul 27 2009, 03:36 PM

1. Does your opinion change any of the evidence of 9/11?
2. Does your opinion change any of the evidence of 9/11?
3. Does your opinion change any of the evidence of 9/11?

Why should we care that you apply your narrow and naive world view to 9/11 and come up with irrelevant questions?

Odin All Father

Jul 27 2009, 03:59 PM

tuatara

Jul 27 2009, 03:36 PM

1. Does your opinion change any of the evidence of 9/11?
2. Does your opinion change any of the evidence of 9/11?
3. Does your opinion change any of the evidence of 9/11?

Why should we care that you apply your narrow and naive world view to 9/11 and come up with irrelevant questions?

. . . . . . . . .

Really?

REALLY?

This kind of talk breaks every rule in the "How to argue with people in a reasonable way that doesn't bring a bad name on you and everyone in your movement" handbook. I came here wanting an honest, open, and friendly debate. I hoped and expected that if I was not openly a dick people wouldn't be one to me. But no, clearly you are not a person who can be rational and logical and hold an intelligent debate. Stop acting like this and you will give your whole group a better name for itself. People like you are the reason most people consider this fringe Bull Crap.

Alfie

Jul 27 2009, 02:30 PM

Flippy

Jul 27 2009, 02:17 PM

Over 60% of the American population believe we haven't been told the whole truth about 9/11. The better question is what is wrong with you 40% on the fringe?

I guess if common sense were so common more people would have it.

Do 60 % of the American population think the government orchestrated 9/11 ? No, of course they don't.

If you ask people whether the government has been entirely frank on any issue of course you will get a high percentage who doubt it. This is healthy.

One of my main problems with the so-called "truth movement" is that I think they are diverting attention from serious issues that should be examined.

I think the most important aspects of 9/11 which require close scrutiny are whether there was proper co-ordination of intelligence, whether there was negligence etc so that a future horror may be avoided.

While there is endless and pointless debate about noc, soc and lightpoles these important things are being neglected.

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Many adults in the United States believe the current federal government has not been completely forthcoming on the issue of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, according to a poll by the New York Times and CBS News. 53 per cent of respondents think the Bush administration is hiding something, and 28 per cent believe it is lying.

Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S. president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002.

Odin All Father

Jul 27 2009, 01:54 PM

Alright guyz, I've known about this whole 9/11 truth movement for quite a while, being an avid listen to Coast to Coast Am and all. Here's some ideas I've come up with while laying around thinking about this whole "truth" movement.

1.If the feds were able to fake a massive terrorist attack couldn't they have planted WMDs in Iraq as well as faking a connection between Saddam and various terrorists organizations? This would have made the whole thing look at less sketchy and probably would have made public support for the war go up a lot. It would be a lot simpler then faking 9/11.

2.Okay I know this has been covered before but really, how many people would the feds have to pay to cover this thing up? A lot. But wouldn't some people have been like "hecks no dude, I'mma bring this to the news media and be a hero". Or "I'm a decent person and I'm not afraid of you spooks so I'm gonna do the right thing."

3. Why the complex nature of the plot? Wouldn't it be easier to believe if the towers just got blown up by explosives inside the building? Why would they cook up this hard to swallow story?

Flippy

Jul 27 2009, 04:39 PM

Alfie

Jul 27 2009, 02:30 PM

Flippy

Jul 27 2009, 02:17 PM

Over 60% of the American population believe we haven't been told the whole truth about 9/11. The better question is what is wrong with you 40% on the fringe?

I guess if common sense were so common more people would have it.

Do 60 % of the American population think the government orchestrated 9/11 ? No, of course they don't.

If you ask people whether the government has been entirely frank on any issue of course you will get a high percentage who doubt it. This is healthy.

One of my main problems with the so-called "truth movement" is that I think they are diverting attention from serious issues that should be examined.

I think the most important aspects of 9/11 which require close scrutiny are whether there was proper co-ordination of intelligence, whether there was negligence etc so that a future horror may be avoided.

While there is endless and pointless debate about noc, soc and lightpoles these important things are being neglected.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/13469

Quote:

 

Many adults in the United States believe the current federal government has not been completely forthcoming on the issue of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, according to a poll by the New York Times and CBS News. 53 per cent of respondents think the Bush administration is hiding something, and 28 per cent believe it is lying.

Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S. president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002.

Of course they don't... let's see, what is 53 + 28... more than 60!

I may be bad at math. But I'm better at facts than you.

Domenick DiMaggio

Jul 27 2009, 04:44 PM

1) do you think we could "sneak" an arsenal of "wmds" into iraq without any other country noticing?

2) wouldn't this be outsourced to pakistani's, saudi's, & israeli's who have no problem killing americans?

3) why did they try to do it in 93? why didn't they stop the 93 bombing since their informant plotted the attack, supplied the explosives for the attack as given to him by the fbi, and taught the "terrorists" how to cook the bomb in order to guarantee it was successful?

why didn't they give this "cell" fake explosives and arrest them in the basement when they arrived?

Odin All Father

Jul 27 2009, 06:34 PM

3. I would really doubt that the '93 bombing was US backed, much more then the 9/11 attacks. No one really gained anything from that.

ToS

Jul 27 2009, 02:10 PM

Alfie

Jul 27 2009, 01:59 PM

Some people have wasted nearly 8 years of their lives on this

You mean like you skeptics who are still trying to debunk us?

If the thought of 9/11 is an inside is nonsense, then why do you guys waste all your time with us?

Wouldn't that make you bigger losers?

ToS

Jul 27 2009, 03:04 PM

Alfie

Jul 27 2009, 02:51 PM

Well ToS, apart from anything else, I do have to admit that I like an argument. Sad I suppose isn't it ?

Yes, especially if you think we are diverting attention from serious issues, because by you wasting your time on us, you are diverting your time and energy away from these more serious issues.

Scooter

Jul 27 2009, 07:06 PM

Of the 2 posters above you here, one of them joined 10 days ago, and the other joined today. 9/11 was eight years ago. That doesn't really give much strength to your argument that they've wasted a lot of time on this debate.

Scooter

Jul 27 2009, 07:15 PM

There's nobody here that contended such a thing. There may be people elsewhere who say that you're a small and unimportant group . . . I wouldn't say that you guys have no influence and that nobody cares about your opinions.

ToS

Jul 27 2009, 07:42 PM

You skeptics have been trying to curb the movement for years now and 8 years later, you're still doing it.

ToS

Jul 27 2009, 07:45 PM

One day the truth movement is small and ineffective, the next day the truth movement and large and effective.

I wish you skeptics would make up your fcuking minds.

Scooter

Jul 27 2009, 08:03 PM

ToS

Jul 27 2009, 07:45 PM

One day the truth movement is small and ineffective, the next day the truth movement and large and effective.

I wish you skeptics would make up your fcuking minds.

I don't really know what you're trying to prove here. Skeptics share a belief that 9/11 was not a conspiracy; that has nothing to do with the size of the group of people saying that it is a conspiracy.

JFK

Jul 27 2009, 08:07 PM

That is the first factual thing I have heard a skeptic say...

But the truth of the matter is that the events of 9/11 were a conspiracy regardless of your point of view...

Be it 19 Saudi's from an Afghan cave or a faction of our own government, period.

Scooter

Jul 27 2009, 08:33 PM

JFK

Jul 27 2009, 08:07 PM

That is the first factual thing I have heard a skeptic say...

But the truth of the matter is that the events of 9/11 were a conspiracy regardless of your point of view...

Be it 19 Saudi's from an Afghan cave or a faction of our own government, period.

You do know that that has nothing to do with the current discussion, right?

Or the OP, for that matter. Why not respond to his questions?