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| Smoking gun that UA93 was not buried; The media did not report when found | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 25 2009, 02:00 PM (1,159 Views) | |
| ToS | Jul 25 2009, 02:00 PM Post #1 |
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Give it up skeptics. Not only is there hardly any evidence that Flight 93 was buried, but it's just been realized that the news never reported it when most of the plane was supposedly found buried! Read: Media not reporting when 'Flight 93 found buried' further proves it didn't Edited by ToS, Jul 25 2009, 02:01 PM.
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| Alfie | Jul 25 2009, 03:20 PM Post #2 |
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ToS Your post and linked article are meaningless. They are just about the incredulity of amateurs in response to a high speed crash site. Flight UA 93 was radar tracked to Shanksville. It was lost to Air Traffic Control and Radar there. The phone calls from passengers and crew terminated. Witnesses saw the plane coming down. A woman photographed the smoke cloud. Responders were on the scene quickly, a scene where body parts as well as plane parts were recovered. If you have a plausible alternative scenario to UA 93 going down there let's hear it ? |
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| ToS | Jul 25 2009, 04:02 PM Post #3 |
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Ah, the infamous "Look over here! Look over here! Don't look over there!" tactic of the skeptics. Admit it, you guys are sunk. Any attempt to still defend the official story will be thought of as treason, and treason is punishable by death. |
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| Alfie | Jul 25 2009, 05:02 PM Post #4 |
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ToS So you don't have a plausible alternative scenario; didn't think you would. |
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| ToS | Jul 25 2009, 05:37 PM Post #5 |
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A plausible alternative for why the media didn't report it when most of Flight 93 was supposedly found? Yes, Flight 93 was never buried. What's your explanation for why the media didn't report it? |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jul 25 2009, 05:39 PM Post #6 |
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i have one......... |
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| ToS | Jul 25 2009, 05:44 PM Post #7 |
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PWNED! |
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| Alfie | Jul 26 2009, 06:40 AM Post #8 |
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ToS With respect, that clip does not amount to an alternative scenario. It didn't seem to me to be offering anything coherent at all, just chucking in odd bits of witness testimony. The business of the white plane referred to is no mystery. It was a Falcon 20 business jet owned by VF Corp. Greensboro N.C. The pilot on 9/11 was Yates Gladwell who was asked to help locate the crash site. There was also A C130 military cargo plane in the area at the time. You may have forgotten the 17 other witnesses that Bernie big shorts drew your attention to at Post 4 of your "Show un-stageable Shanksville evidence" thread. What I am looking for is your explanation for stuff like how come Flight 93 disappeared off the radar at Shanksville and was never seen again. How come the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder were recovered at Shanksville. How come body parts, dna identified as belonging to passengers and crew, were found at Shanksville ? |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jul 26 2009, 10:24 AM Post #9 |
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are you impaired? you asked for a "plausible alternative scenario" to the faked plane crash in shanksville and it was provided. the shanksville scene was prepared in advance just like the wtc towers and the pentagon. the script wasn't written on the fly that morning. the plane approached from the northwest continued flying southeast over the crash sit and over indian lake and onward while a small white military plane approached the crash site and "boom" and then flew away.
wrong. susan mcelwain says you're a liar and they're liars. viola saylor says you're a liar and they're liars. rick chaney says you're a liar and they're liars. bob blair says you're a liar and they're liars. doug miller says you're a liar and they're liars. so who in shanksville actually witnesses a small corporate jet? please tell me a name and i will find them and prove further that you and the vf corp are lying.
and if you had the slightest bit of comprehension you would realize that nobody said a plane wasn't in the area and the only person in a position to actually witness the impact out of the names mentioned was lee purbaugh. people seeing a plane doesnt prove it crashed.
the same way flight 77 did it at the ohio/kentucky border.......
you have no real proof of this. you have a photo one which obviously proves the alleged black box wasn't ever even in a crater. what is the name of the people who removed it from the ground and who witnessed these being recovered from the crash site?
half of a left arm and 2 internal organs....... wow. there's some proof. remember i sat down with wally miller? remember i looked through the coroners photographs? its all on video although he didn't allow me to film the 3 human remains sites at the site which weren't discovered until the next day even though they were in plain site laying in the dirt road. the rest the fbi brought "recovered" and brought to miller so he could identify. |
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| Alfie | Jul 26 2009, 11:50 AM Post #10 |
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Well, at least you have given me an alternative scenario. I understand that you think the Shanksville crash site was pre-prepared and that on 9/11 Flight 93 overflew it and continued south-east. Meantime, there is the small white military plane and I infer from your "boom" that you are suggesting it dropped a bomb. There is no evidence for any of this as I'm sure you are aware. When considering your speculation; the first thing that comes to my mind is why Shanksville ? In an attack that included the WTC and the Pentagon why would anyone ever come up with a corner of a Pennsylvania field as a pre-planned target ? As regards your responses to the questions I put earlier I don't think you have given serious consideration to the witnesses listed by Bernie big shorts. If you read them again you will see that several appear to have seen the impact and refer to "explosion", "fireball, "smoke". Added to which, if a witness says they see a plane going nose-down disappear behind trees it's a reasonable inference it crashed. Your response to my query about how Flight 93 disappeared off the radar was that Flight 77 did that. However, what you are ignoring is that Flight 77 was only lost for 8 minutes, when the transponder was turned off , and was then picked up again. Flight 93 was never detected again. What is your take on what happened to it ? It couldn't put down in some field it needed a runway at least 2 miles long. With regard to human remains, you seem incredulous that someone can make anything out of an arm or internal organs. This suggests to me that you don't know much about dna testing. You do realise that a hair is enough if the follicle is attached ? |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jul 26 2009, 01:00 PM Post #11 |
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you can "infer" whatever you please.....
obviously you are unaware because there is plenty of evidence for this. i didn't just cut words out of a newspaper and put them in a hat and pull them out and form a theory with them......
let's roll : the commoner strikes back
really???? you're busting my balls or you just don't know who i am, right?
why would i read them again when i've contacted a few of them already and know where the others were and understand their point of view in relations to the crash site? only lee purbaugh saw an alleged impact. lee purbaugh. one human being. the guy who was ex navy that started his job at the scrapyard the day before the explosion. the same lee purbaugh who no longer works at rollock and seems to do a lot of work out of state and in virginia now but this is all stuff that you wouldn't know since the pop mech gods haven't proclaimed it as gospel yet.
you making things up again? flight 77 was only lost for 8 minutes, huh? source?
my take on what happened to it is that it didn't crash in shanksville. theres my take.
no, you're ignorant to my beliefs. what i said was that was all the wally miller found and photographed at the crash site and that it happened on the 12th and all 3 were laying on the dirt road not obscured in plain view where everyone looking for them the day before seemed to miss them. the rest of the remains were brought to miller by the fbi. the fbi did not document where any of these remains came from so who knows where these samples originated from. the fbi also provided miller the list of names and dna samples to match the remains too. it was like a csi paint by numbers....... |
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| ToS | Jul 26 2009, 01:06 PM Post #12 |
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Mods, can you please keep my thread on-topic? Alfie is always trying to hijack my threads. |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jul 26 2009, 01:11 PM Post #13 |
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yeah sorry my bad. i took the bait on the whole if you believe this then you must have some sort of explanation for that ........... |
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| JFK | Jul 26 2009, 01:20 PM Post #14 |
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That is what skeptics do best... Hijack threads when they have no logical counter arguement. |
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| ToS | Jul 26 2009, 01:25 PM Post #15 |
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Alfie, if most of Flight 93 didn't disintegrate after all and was instead found buried deep underground along with its 44 passengers, why didn't the media report this motherload of a find? |
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| tedscotland | Jul 26 2009, 01:43 PM Post #16 |
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I have watched the interview with the coroner Wally Miller. Am i now right in thinking reading this forum that you no longer believe the plane was shot down as you stated to the coroner? |
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| Alfie | Jul 26 2009, 01:51 PM Post #17 |
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ToS I really don't understand your point about the media and the "motherload" etc. As far as I am aware many plane parts were buried deep and body parts were all over. I don't intend to hi-jack your thread as you call it but it seems to me to be artificial, and not very illuminating, to just stick to one narrow aspect. If you are genuinely seeking the truth about Shanksville should you not debate all aspects ? Something perhaps you could help me understand. I am not a US citizen and I don't live in the US. You now have a new democrat president; if you have evidence which will stand up why don't you put it to the new administration. Would not a new democrat president be pleased to destroy the republican party ? |
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| tedscotland | Jul 26 2009, 02:00 PM Post #18 |
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Alfie, if this was a black ops that carried out the shanksville attack you would have to be pretty naive to think party politics was behind it. It wouldn't matter if it was republican or democrat it runs a lot deeper than that |
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| Alfie | Jul 26 2009, 02:29 PM Post #19 |
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Well, I have to be guided by US citizens on this but, in England, the continuance of such a murderous plot from Labour to Conservative would be unthinkable. I am further confused by suggestions, in regard to alleged wiring of the WTC for demolition, that that could have gone back to Clinton/Gore. Could you really have such a plot which spanned 3 administrations ? |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jul 26 2009, 02:30 PM Post #20 |
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yes that is correct. this is do to other people i have spoken with since that interview. i am open to the possibility that it was still engaged as i can't prove that it wasn't and i need to locate a couple of witnesses who saw flight 93 after hearing the "boom" of the alleged crash in order to document their locations and the proximity and estimated altitude of the plane when they saw it. i suspect the witnesses who describe seeing the plane after hearing booms and/or thuds are witnesses to it being past the alleged crash site and not approaching it. i couldn't understand how indian lake fit into the picture. i thought it was shot down because i believed the plane flew over the lake prior to the explosion in the field but was coming from the southeast flying northwest. but there are no witnesses to it. so the only logical explanation and after seeing barry lichty confirm that the plane approached indian lake from the crash site prior to the explosion, is that the military flight corridor over shanksville was a preselected destination for a heroic battle cry to deceive a nation into war. since i can say where the plane went after it flew over indian lake i am open to the possibility that it may have been shot down but in light of the staging of the shanksville site as a diversion and the wile e. coyote cookie cutout of an airplane in the ground i suspect shoot down stories are put out there to account for the 2 military planes all the locals witnessed afterwards which have been passed off as either a corporate jet or a cargo plane.........both of which are false. no one in shanksville saw a corporate jet or a c130. |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jul 26 2009, 02:33 PM Post #21 |
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 its the mafiosa. both families have enough evidence to send the other family to jail for life but both families need not to in order to insure their own personal crimes can continue. capiche? |
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| tedscotland | Jul 26 2009, 03:10 PM Post #22 |
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are you honestly saying the british government have never kept details from the public under the guise of "national security" |
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| Bernie big shorts | Jul 26 2009, 03:56 PM Post #23 |
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For any UK based folk, there is a two hour documentary on discovery knowledge about flight 93 starting now. http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/top-20-ultimate-discovery/the-flight-that-fought-back/index.shtml |
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| tedscotland | Jul 26 2009, 04:01 PM Post #24 |
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watching it now bernie, cheers |
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| ToS | Jul 26 2009, 04:14 PM Post #25 |
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Then you need to READ the link in the OP. A 12yr-old can understand it.
How many times do we have to tell you to start your own thread about whatever you want?
There you go again, hijacking my thread. |
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