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Search for Building 7 South Side Photos and Video LC member replies; Kudo's to Ferric Oxide
Topic Started: Jan 20 2008, 08:29 PM (351 Views)
Chris Sarns	Jan 20 2008, 08:29 PM Post #1
Posts: 173 Group: Members Member #116 Joined: 01/17/08	Thank you for bringing this to the new forum. Keep us posted. Chris
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illeagalhunter	Jan 21 2008, 06:55 AM Post #2
Posts: 175 Group: Members Member #81 Joined: 01/16/08	The picture links are down
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Diane	Jan 21 2008, 07:33 PM Post #3
Posts: 54 Group: Members Member #168 Joined: 01/21/08	I'll be very interested to see these pictures, if and whenever you get them. Thanks for letting us know about them.
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Diane	Jan 21 2008, 08:42 PM Post #4
Posts: 54 Group: Members Member #168 Joined: 01/21/08	Here's a relevant thread on the old LC board, containing some photos: A Long Straight Gash In Wtc7, 28 floors in size. Just making a note of it for future reference. P.S. [edit]: Another relevant thread on the old board is Wtc 7 South Face Damage, pics for your consideration. Edited by Diane, Jan 22 2008, 01:07 PM.
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blarney fife	Feb 10 2008, 09:47 AM Post #5
Posts: 202 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: 01/14/08	Good luck with your request...just saw this. Apparently Bush has a problem with FOIA requests. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/rights/76220/
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Stundie	Feb 11 2008, 06:20 PM Post #6
Posts: 888 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	Well done and good luck with it Ferric Oxide. Keep us all informed.
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Stundie	Mar 13 2008, 07:06 AM Post #7
Posts: 888 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	Still no response to your request? I wonder why?? lol Keep up the good work and thanks for keeping us updated. Cheers Stundie Edited by Stundie, Mar 13 2008, 07:06 AM.
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NK-44	Mar 26 2008, 08:58 PM Post #8
Posts: 160 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: 01/14/08	Thanks for your great efforts, FO.
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MysticalGroove	Apr 6 2008, 04:40 PM Post #9
Posts: 1 Group: Members Member #477 Joined: 04/06/08	here is an image of the damage to the south facade that I put together using 6 different frames of video from the 9/11 news archive footage. Personally i find it hard to believe how falling debris could slice the facade so accurately. It actually looks like a laser beam sliced through 7! If there is any evidence for DEW the facade of WTC7 is probably the best visual evidence, not that I believe a laser beam took down the towers but.. you never know! Here is the pic: I posted this to another forum but really not much feedback or concern over it. Not sure what we are seeing here, i figured perhaps it really was a fuel pipe running down the facade exploded, but from what I can tell so far there were no fuel lines or fuel running down the facade.
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nrmis	Apr 15 2008, 10:57 PM Post #10
Posts: 24 Group: Members Member #189 Joined: 01/22/08	http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/7/ I found this page of building seven vids, apologies if you've seen them before. I was trying to tally these up with the pics of corner damage I saw on the old LC forum but my knowledge of relative directions and angles of the scene isn't up to it. I was just wondering if the corner damage should be visible in these. I was looking at ''Windows Media: Bld7.wmv'' around 24 secs.
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DoYouEverWonder	Apr 22 2008, 04:36 AM Post #11
Posts: 434 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: 01/24/08	MysticalGroove Apr 6 2008, 04:40 PM here is an image of the damage to the south facade that I put together using 6 different frames of video from the 9/11 news archive footage. Personally i find it hard to believe how falling debris could slice the facade so accurately. It actually looks like a laser beam sliced through 7! If there is any evidence for DEW the facade of WTC7 is probably the best visual evidence, not that I believe a laser beam took down the towers but.. you never know! Here is the pic: I posted this to another forum but really not much feedback or concern over it. Not sure what we are seeing here, i figured perhaps it really was a fuel pipe running down the facade exploded, but from what I can tell so far there were no fuel lines or fuel running down the facade. Actually that image is evidence of a bad photoshop job. Gashes don't have straight edges. A fair bit of the 'damage' is just from the way other buildings reflect off of WTC 7. Here's a pic from before and because of the reflections, the west side of the building appears to be heavily damaged. Just add smoke.
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sap-guy	Apr 22 2008, 03:02 PM Post #12
Posts: 152 Group: Skeptics Member #133 Joined: 01/19/08	DoYouEverWonder Apr 22 2008, 04:36 AM Actually that image is evidence of a bad photoshop job. Gashes don't have straight edges. Much of that image is a still from a live news broadcast, in which the vertical gash is clear as day. Also notice the gash is exactly the width between two perimeter columns. I'm sure you can work it out ... eta: here's the broadcast http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6186921835292416413 Edited by sap-guy, Apr 22 2008, 03:07 PM.
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DoYouEverWonder	Apr 22 2008, 05:21 PM Post #13
Posts: 434 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: 01/24/08	sap-guy Apr 22 2008, 03:02 PM DoYouEverWonder Apr 22 2008, 04:36 AM Actually that image is evidence of a bad photoshop job. Gashes don't have straight edges. Much of that image is a still from a live news broadcast, in which the vertical gash is clear as day. Also notice the gash is exactly the width between two perimeter columns. I'm sure you can work it out ... eta: here's the broadcast http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6186921835292416413 So when did this amazing video pop up? About a year or two ago. They had plenty of time to doctor a video since 9/11. They might use different programs but the concepts are the same as the ones that you would use in photoshop. Here's one I did in 2 seconds: I'm sure if I have 5 years, I could come up with something a bit better.
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DoYouEverWonder	Jun 2 2008, 08:14 PM Post #14
Posts: 434 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: 01/24/08	Pictures of the south side of WTC 7 - very little fire and damage The only sign of any fires raging on this side of WTC 7 is in the picture below. Apparently the fire burnt itself out and did not spread. More pics at the link: http://911.yweb.sk/download/video/wtc7/shots/ Edited by DoYouEverWonder, Jun 2 2008, 08:14 PM.
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DoYouEverWonder	Jun 16 2008, 08:49 PM Post #15
Posts: 434 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: 01/24/08	Here's one after the first Tower fell. WTC 7 is undamaged at this point. What is really interesting though is the building that is bent over. I believe this is WTC 4. I had always thought this happened because of the fires that raged in these buildings later in the day, but this happened BEFORE the fires started. How do you bend all that steel, all at the same time?
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look-up	Jul 7 2008, 02:16 PM Post #16
Posts: 1,642 Group: Admins Member #63 Joined: 01/15/08	good luck! we're all really proud of what you are doing.
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swingdangler	Aug 23 2008, 06:44 PM Post #17
Posts: 20 Group: Members Member #737 Joined: 07/14/08	Here is a picture showing water of all things being used to fight WTC 5 or 6 while 7 burns. Someone refer the picture to Mr. Sunder so that he knows water was available contrary to his report's statements. Attached to this post: wtc6raresmokesv5.png (561.32 KB) smoke_from_5_and_6.jpg (51.65 KB) wtc6smoke3ss6.png (589.45 KB)
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DoYouEverWonder	Aug 23 2008, 07:30 PM Post #18
Posts: 434 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: 01/24/08	The NIST report admits that debris from WTC 1 did not significantly damage WTC 7. In other words, the black stripe in this image was the result of a bad photoshop job. Edited by DoYouEverWonder, Aug 23 2008, 07:31 PM.
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behind	Aug 25 2008, 07:08 AM Post #19
Posts: 23 Group: Members Member #261 Joined: 02/02/08	DoYouEverWonder Aug 23 2008, 07:30 PM The NIST report admits that debris from WTC 1 did not significantly damage WTC 7. I have not read the new report yet... but to me it is very surprising if they mostly rule out the so called "south side damage" I mean... how many times have the "officially story belivers" brought up that alleged damage in endless debat on forums last 4-5 years ? If NIST does not talk about it anymore... to me, it is nearly suspisious ! Edited by behind, Aug 25 2008, 07:15 AM.
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swingdangler	Aug 25 2008, 11:32 AM Post #20
Posts: 20 Group: Members Member #737 Joined: 07/14/08	DoYouEverWonder Aug 23 2008, 07:30 PM The NIST report admits that debris from WTC 1 did not significantly damage WTC 7. In other words, the black stripe in this image was the result of a bad photoshop job. I agree with that. It just doesn't look real to me. Is there any idea for the original source of the screen cap? The first time I recall seeing the photo was over at JREF when I use to shred the despunkers over there on a daily basis. Edited by swingdangler, Aug 25 2008, 11:45 AM.
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mynameis	Aug 25 2008, 02:04 PM Post #21
Internet Jujitsu Posts: 1,567 Group: Members Member #50 Joined: 01/15/08	swingdangler Aug 25 2008, 11:32 AM DoYouEverWonder Aug 23 2008, 07:30 PM The NIST report admits that debris from WTC 1 did not significantly damage WTC 7. In other words, the black stripe in this image was the result of a bad photoshop job. I agree with that. It just doesn't look real to me. Is there any idea for the original source of the screen cap? The first time I recall seeing the photo was over at JREF when I use to shred the despunkers over there on a daily basis. Under inverted colors it looks like the picture has pieces cut and pasted together to look like a gash I posted it and highlight the area in question. I am finding the smoke clouds dubious. The white smoke or debris clouds should be black. Maybe it is a composite picture like a collage? The smoke looks like photoshop, but the gash doesn't look uneven, but could be cut and pasted to look like it? It goes from a blurry uneven to a near linear line straight down. Near the bottom I see pasted tampering on the horizontal area not near the line break but near the wording on the picture. Edited by mynameis, Aug 25 2008, 02:17 PM.



DoYouEverWonder	Aug 25 2008, 03:42 PM Post #22
Posts: 434 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: 01/24/08	swingdangler Aug 25 2008, 11:32 AM I agree with that. It just doesn't look real to me. Is there any idea for the original source of the screen cap? The first time I recall seeing the photo was over at JREF when I use to shred the despunkers over there on a daily basis. MysticalGroove, on Post #9 in this thread, claims to have put together this image from a composite of screen caps from the crappy pixilated video that was broadcast.
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arie	Aug 25 2008, 04:36 PM Post #23
Posts: 8 Group: Members Member #814 Joined: 08/25/08	Since i'm the one who originally found the footage of the gash in the south side of WTC7 in the 9/11 archive mpegs i though i'd give my 2 cents. Of course the picture above is a composite, made from multiple frames of the same video clip. Here are links to the original (not reencoded) mpeg2 cuts of the footage (480x480 NTSC interlaced) ABC 13:45 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WTJZ1C7G ABC 13:54 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZG8IYMGK You can verify the footage at archive.org: http://www.archive.org/details/abc200109111323-1404 Now this footage presented a real problem to NIST, because together with the footage of Steve Spak, it completely destroyed their first damage estimate (you know, the 10-story hole in the middle from the bottom up) and indeed this is gone from the last report. NIST never said that there was no damage to the south side, in fact they include this diagram in their latest report (which indicates the gash). http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf In the leaked WTC7 Pitts chapter(which to me looks credible, because of all the new photo's) a screencap of the same footage is also included as well as a photo showing the gash: http://www.infowars.net/WTC7Report/WTC%207%20chapter%20Pitts.doc It think the footage is genuine. They went from "a huge 10 story hole" to "standard office fires did it" Now the real question is why it took NIST so many years to figure this out. When i got hold of the mpegs i found it in a couple of days. The Steve Spak footage (which can be downloaded in its entirety here) was in the public domain since 2002. Steve Spak's photos and stills are used throughout the NIST and FEMA reports. But somehow both NIST and FEMA forgot to ask mr Spak whether he had pictures of the south side of WTC7. You could (and still can) buy his DVD on amazon! They must have known and would have gotten away with it if some nasty blogger hadn't posted the footage that disproved the placement of the hole. Hey NIST, you're hole was in the wrong place and you knew it!
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Chris Sarns	Sep 13 2008, 11:37 PM Post #24
Posts: 173 Group: Members Member #116 Joined: 01/17/08	The leaked document WTC 7 Chapter Pitts has pictures of the south side and guess what? No 10 story gouge that scooped out 1/3 of the building as Shyam Sunder said in PM Magazine. They gave up on the 10 story gouge in the Final Fantasy but these pictures, which NIST has had all along, reveal that Mr. Sunder was lying.
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A.L.Ex - N.E.T.A	Sep 20 2008, 07:36 AM Post #25
Posts: 45 Group: Members Member #854 Joined: 09/16/08	Nice work DoYouEverWonder
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