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Show un-stageable Shanksville evidence; Another challenge for skeptics
Topic Started: Jul 20 2009, 02:19 PM (1,555 Views)
Bernie big shorts	Jul 26 2009, 09:01 AM Post #101
Posts: 224 Group: Members Member #287 Joined: 02/07/08	There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the phone calls made from flight 93. Out of the 37 calls made only 2 were made from cell phones, these cell calls were made at low altitude in the last minutes of the flight. Why would the plotters fake these last two calls? I don't understand it, maybe someone can explain? If there was no calls at all made from flight 93 i'm certain that this would be seen as highly suspicious by truthers. Truthers would be saying 'why didn't the passengers make calls from the air phones?' and 'why didn't the passengers attempt to use their cell phones when the plane was a low altitude?'. Here is a list of the 37 calls made - only the last two are cell phone calls: http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/UA93phonecallscopy.jpg/UA93phonecallscopy-full;init:.jpg
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Bernie big shorts	Jul 27 2009, 05:29 AM Post #102
Posts: 224 Group: Members Member #287 Joined: 02/07/08	Another point of interest regarding the phones I learnt from watching a documentary last night, was that there would have been more air phone calls if it wasn't for the fact that only 8 calls could be made at any one time, and it appears that the passengers initially jammed the lines after the hijack began when more than 8 of the 52 phones were used at once. http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/top-20-ultimate-discovery/the-flight-that-fought-back/index.shtml Edited by Bernie big shorts, Jul 28 2009, 06:30 AM.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Jul 27 2009, 06:13 AM Post #103
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	why did deanna burnett say her husband's cell phone showed up on her caller id?
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Bernie big shorts	Jul 27 2009, 08:05 AM Post #104
Posts: 224 Group: Members Member #287 Joined: 02/07/08	Domenick, There is no record from Tom Burnett's cell phone records that he placed a call to his wife, it wouldn't make any sense that the conspirators would fake a caller ID to his wife and then to cover it up! What seems more likely is that Deenna Burnett doesn't have 100% perfect recall of the sequence of phone calls during one of the most hellish moments of her life - her description of her emotions i found really moving, she said she that after she saw the pentagon crash on the news she believed it was her husbands plane and wailed in a way that she couldn't even recognise herself. He then rang back and she initially thought he had actually survived the impact with the pentagon - only for him to tell her that he hadn't survived and was still facing his nightmare ordeal, she then had to face the real news that he had died slightly later. It was a brutal episode for this young mother to endure - my heart goes out to her. There are a couple of explanations for her saying she saw his caller ID. She may have recognised the caller ID from the air phone on his second or third call or she may have recalled seeing his cell phone caller ID appear with a misconnected call. Whatever the reason for her recalling seeing it, it doesn't make any sense if it was part of some plot. Hope this helps.
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Bernie big shorts	Jul 28 2009, 05:56 AM Post #105
Posts: 224 Group: Members Member #287 Joined: 02/07/08	Here is a link to the documentary that discusses the phone calls: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=753225660323451240&ei=nthuSsmuF4aO-Aan2umCBg&q=the+flight+that+fought+back&hl=en&client=firefox-a
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Domenick DiMaggio	Jul 28 2009, 06:57 AM Post #106
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Bernie big shorts Jul 27 2009, 08:05 AM Domenick, There is no record from Tom Burnett's cell phone records that he placed a call to his wife, it wouldn't make any sense that the conspirators would fake a caller ID to his wife and then to cover it up! What seems more likely is that Deenna Burnett doesn't have 100% perfect recall of the sequence of phone calls during one of the most hellish moments of her life - her description of her emotions i found really moving, she said she that after she saw the pentagon crash on the news she believed it was her husbands plane and wailed in a way that she couldn't even recognise herself. He then rang back and she initially thought he had actually survived the impact with the pentagon - only for him to tell her that he hadn't survived and was still facing his nightmare ordeal, she then had to face the real news that he had died slightly later. It was a brutal episode for this young mother to endure - my heart goes out to her. http://www.tomburnettfoundation.org/tomburnett_transcript.html so then what are these transcripts based on and why are there 4 calls and not 3? Quote: There are a couple of explanations for her saying she saw his caller ID. She may have recognised the caller ID from the air phone on his second or third call or she may have recalled seeing his cell phone caller ID appear with a misconnected call. Whatever the reason for her recalling seeing it, it doesn't make any sense if it was part of some plot. Hope this helps. or maybe the government presented fake evidence at the moussaoui trial. is that a possible explanation?
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ToS	Jul 28 2009, 12:24 PM Post #107
Posts: 210 Group: Members Member #1,213 Joined: 06/11/09	Phone calls don't prove a plane crashed!
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Domenick DiMaggio	Jul 30 2009, 03:58 AM Post #108
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	ToS Jul 28 2009, 12:24 PM Phone calls don't prove a plane crashed! agreed 100%.
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espresso	Jul 31 2009, 12:49 PM Post #109
Posts: 124 Group: Skeptics Member #1,078 Joined: 03/05/09	ToS Jul 28 2009, 12:24 PM Phone calls don't prove a plane crashed! Agreed. But they are evidence that I would consider un-stageable, which supports the conclusion that the plane crashed.



Alfie	Jul 31 2009, 02:04 PM Post #110
Posts: 265 Group: Skeptics Member #1,237 Joined: 07/17/09	espresso Jul 31 2009, 12:49 PM ToS Jul 28 2009, 12:24 PM Phone calls don't prove a plane crashed! Agreed. But they are evidence that I would consider un-stageable, which supports the conclusion that the plane crashed. Exactly The phone calls paint a vivid picture of what was going on on Flight 93 and the passengers determination to do something about it. The suggestion that the calls could have been "morphed" but still accepted by all the closest relatives is imo ludicrous.



JFK	Jul 31 2009, 04:11 PM Post #111
Posts: 4,226 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Alfie Jul 31 2009, 02:04 PM espresso Jul 31 2009, 12:49 PM ToS Jul 28 2009, 12:24 PM Phone calls don't prove a plane crashed! Agreed. But they are evidence that I would consider un-stageable, which supports the conclusion that the plane crashed. Exactly The phone calls paint a vivid picture of what was going on on Flight 93 and the passengers determination to do something about it. The suggestion that the calls could have been "morphed" but still accepted by all the closest relatives is imo ludicrous. Yes espresso, In your opinion. Yet the technology was in place on 9/11 as I referred to it in this post : http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=288504&t=1988476 Perhaps you should reread that article ? < shrugs > Isn't it amazing how persistant faith is ?
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Freq Band	Aug 2 2009, 03:04 PM Post #112
Posts: 85 Group: Skeptics Member #583 Joined: 05/17/08	Any expert can tell..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDQQANYwlMc&feature=related
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noeffects	Aug 2 2009, 03:29 PM Post #113
Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	Freq Band Aug 2 2009, 03:04 PM Any expert can tell..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDQQANYwlMc&feature=related Lol ...nice find Freq Band... now maybe his friend could just have a 5gallon bucket with some "bones" in it.. That's it... this case is closed...
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espresso	Aug 3 2009, 12:13 PM Post #114
Posts: 124 Group: Skeptics Member #1,078 Joined: 03/05/09	JFK Jul 31 2009, 04:11 PM Alfie Jul 31 2009, 02:04 PM espresso Jul 31 2009, 12:49 PM ToS Jul 28 2009, 12:24 PM Phone calls don't prove a plane crashed! Agreed. But they are evidence that I would consider un-stageable, which supports the conclusion that the plane crashed. Exactly The phone calls paint a vivid picture of what was going on on Flight 93 and the passengers determination to do something about it. The suggestion that the calls could have been "morphed" but still accepted by all the closest relatives is imo ludicrous. Yes espresso, In your opinion. Yet the technology was in place on 9/11 as I referred to it in this post : http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=288504&t=1988476 Perhaps you should reread that article ? < shrugs > Isn't it amazing how persistant faith is ? It was actually Alfie's opinion but I agree completely. Even having the technology to "morph" a voice so that it sounds like a loved one wouldn't be enough. How the voice actually sounds is helpful in the initial phase of identifying the person, but as the conversation progresses the individual mannerisms, vocabulary, personality, and content of the conversation become much more important especially when you're dealing with married couples who know each other better than anyone else could. Matching the tone of someone's voice isn't enough to emulate that. Edited by espresso, Aug 3 2009, 12:14 PM.



JFK	Aug 3 2009, 12:57 PM Post #115
Posts: 4,226 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Isn't it amazing that the longest alleged phone call to a "loved one" was made by Sandra Bradshaw on board flight 93 and lasted a whole 470 seconds where as the rest of the phone calls made to "loved ones" averaged less than 45 seconds. As I was saying about faith. Edited by JFK, Aug 3 2009, 12:58 PM.
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Miragememories	Aug 3 2009, 01:04 PM Post #116
Posts: 759 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	I've had numerous occasions where I've answered the phone, and depending on the caller, they've mistaken me for my son or my father. They were quite lengthy ruses when I chose to have some fun with them. This isn't to say I endorse a particular view on the falsification of the phone calls. My disagreement is with your belief that regardless of a good voice match, family members will quickly know they are being duped. MM
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noeffects	Aug 3 2009, 01:51 PM Post #117
Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	Miragememories Aug 3 2009, 01:04 PM I've had numerous occasions where I've answered the phone, and depending on the caller, they've mistaken me for my son or my father. They were quite lengthy ruses when I chose to have some fun with them. This isn't to say I endorse a particular view on the falsification of the phone calls. My disagreement is with your belief that regardless of a good voice match, family members will quickly know they are being duped. MM no doubt MM... I will pick up my friends , father or brothers cell and carry on conversations with people...and i can definetly say enough generalilties to keep it going for some time...im sure a voice morph phy-op could do a much better job with a panic scenario...and more so in a less than one minute dropped call situation. espresso but as the conversation progresses the individual mannerisms, vocabulary, personality, and content of the conversation become much more important especially when you're dealing with married couples who know each other better than anyone else could. Matching the tone of someone's voice isn't enough to emulate that. Let's reverse this... reminds me of when you sign your name for a debit/credit card purchase on a screen...I know that I sign my name different all the time ( middle initial, forget a dot or a slash, half didn't make it in the box..lol.) yet somehow the computer "knows"... if technologies can replicate voice...they can also take a few minutes of your voice here and there...marking the cadence, etc. I know for a fact The Empire knows married couples better than they know each other when they want to ...The powers that be are so downplayed by you debunkers...
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espresso	Aug 3 2009, 03:29 PM Post #118
Posts: 124 Group: Skeptics Member #1,078 Joined: 03/05/09	JFK Aug 3 2009, 12:57 PM Isn't it amazing that the longest alleged phone call to a "loved one" was made by Sandra Bradshaw on board flight 93 and lasted a whole 470 seconds where as the rest of the phone calls made to "loved ones" averaged less than 45 seconds. As I was saying about faith. It requires more faith for me to believe that someone could fake multiple emotional phone calls between loved ones without error than it does for me to believe that people attempted and in a few cases successfully called their loved ones in the last moments of their lives. MirageMemories I've had numerous occasions where I've answered the phone, and depending on the caller, they've mistaken me for my son or my father. Depending on the caller. Think about the person(s) in your life who would be the most difficult to fool in that scenario. Chances are they're the very people you'd call if you found yourself in the situation those on flight 93 found themselves in.



JFK	Aug 3 2009, 03:47 PM Post #119
Posts: 4,226 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	espresso Aug 3 2009, 03:29 PM Think about the person(s) in your life who would be the most difficult to fool in that scenario. Chances are they're the very people you'd call if you found yourself in the situation those on flight 93 found themselves in. Indeed... One would have thought that a higher percentage of the passengers would have thought the same.
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