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| WTC2 pre-collapse explosion visual evidence | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 16 2009, 10:07 AM (9,782 Views) | |
| JFK | Jul 16 2009, 10:07 AM Post #1 |
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Firstly credit where credit is due... Stundie for bringing this gif here...  femr2 for creating and hosting that clip. http://femr2.ucoz.com http://femr2.ucoz.com/forum/ http://www.youtube.com/user/femr2 http://www.scribd.com/doc/13614398/femr2 Xenomorph for posting this clip http://xenomorph.s3.amazonaws.com/WTC2_Molten_Metal_HBO.mpg HBO for the DVD - http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/9_11/ Channel 2 news for airing what appears to be the original copy. Orbitdownloader.com for creating free software which makes it easily possible to save audio and video streams. dvdvideosoft.com for creating free software which rips video into individual frames. And finally the now defunct JASC Software, Inc. for creating Paint Shop Pro 4.15SE and Animation shop 3 ( currently owned by Corel ) which makes creating gifs easy even on computers with limited memory.  Origin - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6843556609142921425&ei=TiBeSqj2GYnvlAfgo6Er&hl=en  relevant frames from http://www.megaupload.com/?d=46GTZWS5 in order. ( Note - the frames per second rate on this is 29.97, so the following took place in less than 1/3 of one second. )        Source - http://xenomorph.s3.amazonaws.com/WTC2_Molten_Metal_HBO.mpg Relevant frames, Frame rate 29.97fps          
Edited by JFK, Jul 16 2009, 09:11 PM.
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| Stundie | Jul 16 2009, 10:34 AM Post #2 |
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Good work People!  It would be interesting to get a frame by frame of the 2nd one at the top, just before the clip ends and to find the original clip that HBO used. We could work out what floor they occurred on. |
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| JFK | Jul 16 2009, 10:54 AM Post #3 |
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Here is an overlay of the two events...  Edit to add - Unfortunately Xenomorph's video is cut too short to see the second event.  But it is visable in the google video as well as the channel 2 footage.
Edited by JFK, Jul 16 2009, 11:12 AM.
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| JFK | Jul 16 2009, 11:53 AM Post #4 |
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If anyone wants them, I have uploaded the frame grabs from all three clips ( 7.75 MB ) to this location : http://www.filehat.com/en/file/5445/WTC2-Pre-collapse-explosion-zip.html |
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| JFK | Jul 16 2009, 07:59 PM Post #5 |
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Just a side note on the videographer Luigi Cazzaniga, his videos were reviewed by NIST as is evident on page 16 of http://wtc.nist.gov/WTC_Conf_Sep13-15/session6/6McAllister.pdf  I wonder how come NIST missed the frames in the opening and second post. 
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| chrisfarb | Jul 16 2009, 08:23 PM Post #6 |
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Absolutely, positively, astonishing find. Wow! |
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| Xenomorph | Jul 17 2009, 02:16 AM Post #7 |
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Which reminds me again, a while back I made a compilation of all the Luigi Cazzaniga footage I could find, and pieced his video back togethor, from various sources, sort of.... Download that clip here if you're interested http://www.megaupload.com/?d=46GTZWS5 He used to have it up on his own website, http://www.luigicazzaniga.com/ though his domain has been cancelled or expired now. Other portions of this clip I assembled come from PBS's "New York: Center of the World"documentary and CNN coverage from mid-afternoon, 9/11/01. The "orange flash" events are nowehere to be found except HBO. |
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| JFK | Jul 17 2009, 07:55 AM Post #8 |
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@ 1:10 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N4QBQFP8 |
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| BoneZ | Jul 17 2009, 08:18 AM Post #9 |
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I'm trying to figure out how this is an explosion. This clearly looks like this molten metal is dripping from on high and hit the side of the WTC and splashed on it's way down. Edited by BoneZ, Jul 17 2009, 08:19 AM.
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| noeffects | Jul 17 2009, 08:33 AM Post #10 |
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I was thinking that as well....but, what kind of ledge could it have bounced into? my other thought was something like a firecracker, firework, or some kind of material that ignited itself on the way down...maybe knocked off from a bigger piece of something made of the same material |
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| JFK | Jul 17 2009, 09:16 AM Post #11 |
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Perhaps you should download http://www.filehat.com/en/file/5445/WTC2-Pre-collapse-explosion-zip.html Unzip it and change to the directory titled "WTC2_Molten_Metal_HBO(7-15-2009 2-12-50--)" and look at the images around #54 ( #55 shows the first sign of the explosion ) There is absolutely nothing in the area of the explosion prior to it.  ( windows picture and fax viewer works great for giong back and forth picture by picture ) Edited by JFK, Jul 17 2009, 09:19 AM.
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| illeagalhunter | Jul 17 2009, 10:07 AM Post #12 |
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Ever day the Govt Conspiracy unwinds, great find guys
Edited by illeagalhunter, Jul 17 2009, 10:07 AM.
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| TDX | Jul 17 2009, 11:35 AM Post #13 |
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exactly the type of reaction you would expect from nanothermite |
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| Stundie | Jul 17 2009, 12:22 PM Post #14 |
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A splash! hahahahaha!! Then it splashed again a 2nd time! lol |
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| BoneZ | Jul 18 2009, 01:05 AM Post #15 |
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You may not be laughing after seeing the following: Here's a different angle showing the same drippage/sparks and there are clearly 3 impact points that the drippage/sparks splash off of. The first image I use arrows to point out the impacts/splashes and the second image is continuous:   Again, clearly looks like splashing/impacting to me in several locations. I had to delete 2/3rds of the frames from the .gif to make it smaller in size, but the video is a little more clear. For those that want to see the source video, I recorded these from LC:FC at 1:13:54 in the movie. |
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| T3QuillAMocKINGbird | Jul 18 2009, 03:14 AM Post #16 |
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It is slightly visible falling from above where the molten metal hits the side of the building, it splashes but is the aluminum cladding reacting there too from the building? You can see from the collapse pictures the Red Cloud starting from the unreacted nano super thermate. |
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| Stundie | Jul 18 2009, 09:32 AM Post #17 |
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No, I'm still laughing.  There is nothing splashing down on it, more importantly if you look at the still frames, you will see that whatever this is, it ejects out horizontally directly from the towers. I highly doubt that molten metal falling down would get eject out horizontally if it hit a ledge, it would still be falling downwards. Also on an observational note, the splashes you see on your video are much higher up. On the video I posted, the main blob (Best term I can use to describe it!) of the molten metal as already gone past the point of where the flashes are by a few seconds, as the camera even as time to zoom in on the main blob and pans down to catch it. When the camera pans back up, that is when you see the flashes, after the main blob as gone past that point. In your video, the splashes are occurring with the main blob. So I can't equate the 2 bits of footage I'm afraid. |
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| JFK | Jul 18 2009, 05:14 PM Post #18 |
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What ledge ? 
Edited by JFK, May 1 2010, 09:00 AM.
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| Lin Kuei | Jul 18 2009, 06:54 PM Post #19 |
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That's right - it ejects clearly laterally - and with considerable energy. Also if you study the gif, it also appears to lick up the window pane as it initially ejects.
Edited by Lin Kuei, Jul 18 2009, 07:04 PM.
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| BoneZ | Jul 18 2009, 07:58 PM Post #20 |
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That's exactly what we would expect a spashing of something to do. There's no where else for it to go but up and out. Just like if those sparks were water droplets instead. We'd see the same exact thing happen. A large drop of water splashing would go up and out as there's nowhere else for it to go. Edited by BoneZ, Jul 18 2009, 07:58 PM.
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| JFK | Jul 18 2009, 08:18 PM Post #21 |
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The first frame has a two second delay and the rest of the ten frames have a half second delay. The original framerate was 29.97 fps. 
Edited by JFK, Jul 18 2009, 08:32 PM.
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| chrisfarb | Jul 19 2009, 07:53 AM Post #22 |
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Whatever we are seeing does appear to be coming from the window section and not one of the beams.  A decent view of the windows: 
Edited by chrisfarb, Jul 19 2009, 12:34 PM.
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| DoYouEverWonder | Jul 19 2009, 09:10 AM Post #23 |
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Those hijackers sure got lucky. They hit the most crucial floor (81) and damaged just the right corner, to collapse of the top section and drop it toward the Plaza side of the building. Then just at the right time before the total failure of the building, molten metal starts to shoot out from the exact place you would to start the collapse.
Edited by DoYouEverWonder, Jul 19 2009, 09:12 AM.
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| boast | Jul 19 2009, 09:43 AM Post #24 |
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what a great find! looks like a thermite reaction to me. Edited by boast, Jul 19 2009, 10:12 AM.
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| Lin Kuei | Jul 19 2009, 10:01 AM Post #25 |
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Just to be clear - the substance found by the team of 9 scientists was not thermate, but thermite. When Niels Harrit was a guest on the Alex Jones show, Alex kept referring to their substance as "nano-thermate". Harrit was quick to correct Jones that the substance they have proof of is nano-thermite. This doesn't mean thermate definitely wasn't used, but when sticking to the facts of what has so far been ascertained, it is limited to nano-particulate thermite only - which also has explosive properties, unlike conventional thermite. Niels Harrit on the AJ show, May 1, 2009 -Part 1 Edited by Lin Kuei, Jul 19 2009, 10:24 AM.
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