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| Steven Jones is protecting the 911 perps; and betraying us all | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 6 2008, 02:59 AM (1,308 Views) | |
| CB_Brooklyn | Apr 6 2008, 02:59 AM Post #1 |
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Steven Jones is protecting the 9/11 perps. It’s been almost two years since Jones went on C-SPAN with his “hard evidence” of thermite. The only reason he wouldn't present this "hard evidence" to a Court of Law is to protect the perps. He has betrayed us all. Why? If Jones isn't going to present this evidence to the court system, where the perps can be held accountable, he should give this "hard evidence" to someone who will. Short of that, Jones is betraying us. Jones is betraying our country! |
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| zyko148 | Apr 6 2008, 08:39 AM Post #2 |
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Does he have any family or very close friends? |
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| ref | Apr 6 2008, 08:43 AM Post #3 |
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Because he has no hard evidence, that would stand up in court. It's really that simple. |
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| look-up | Apr 6 2008, 08:58 AM Post #4 |
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that's retarded. he could have just as easily NOT gone on c-span in the first place. he could have just as easily, NOT investigated 9/11 from the beginning. your conclusion is far from conclusive. |
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| Headspin | Apr 6 2008, 09:16 AM Post #5 |
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Dr Jones is not stopping YOU getting the same evidence. Dr Jones is about to get a paper published in a mainstream journal, so what we are obviously seeing is a ramp up of cointel disinfo. "When you have no basis for argument - abuse the plantiff" - Cicero |
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| Headspin | Apr 6 2008, 09:17 AM Post #6 |
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...and you know this how exactly ? are you a omnipotent pentagon lawyer? Edited by Headspin, Apr 6 2008, 09:21 AM.
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| Nevermind | Apr 6 2008, 01:59 PM Post #7 |
Oh, you didn't know?
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What does that have to do with the OP and just what interest is it of yours? Edited by Nevermind, Apr 6 2008, 02:09 PM.
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| Killtown | Apr 6 2008, 02:21 PM Post #8 |
Childish Hypocrite
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This is VERY troubling about Steven Jones: Steven E Jones sabotaged cold fusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1vOeKNN2UI (see @ 1:27) Also, why does SJones' site SUPPORT the official story at the Pentagon and Shanksville??? http://stj911.com/evidence/pentagon.html http://stj911.com/evidence/flight93.html It always makes me wonder when "9/11 conspiracy sites" devote entire pages to supporting parts of the official story. I've asked before, pretend you are a NOOB and go to his site and tell me how far to you need to get through his site to walk away thinking 9/11 was an inside job: http://stj911.com/index.html If it is an effect 9/11 conspiracy site, you shouldn't have to go very far through it before it convinced you that 9/11 was an inside job. |
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| Miragememories | Apr 6 2008, 02:23 PM Post #9 |
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I think it's fair to say, that because of his personal exposure in challenging the Official 9/11 Theory, Dr. Jones has paid a greater price than any member of this forum. It seems wrong to judge him, and judge him harshly, for not always being in the front line. MM |
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| Killtown | Apr 6 2008, 02:31 PM Post #10 |
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Childish Hypocrite
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I also judge him harshly for supporting the heavily-controlled gatekeeper site know as http://911blogger.com |
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| Stundie | Apr 6 2008, 02:58 PM Post #11 |
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I'm sorry but I have to play devils advocate here and defend Jones a little. There could be numerous reasons why Jones is shying away with his "Hard evidence" of Therm?te and I certainly wouldn't call him a gate keeper! lol He gave up his job at Brigham to work further on this research, although he was as good as hounded out of his job! He has already pointed out the microspheres which indicate that something is not right, as they are almost impossoible to explain in a normal collapse, however before stating it is Therm?te, he could be in the process of eliminating other possibilities. Considering what he could potentially be discovering, he would need to make absolutely sure before going public with it. Cheers Stundie 
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| Headspin | Apr 6 2008, 03:17 PM Post #12 |
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so killtown, still no valid criticism of Dr Jones' work then? ...a mash up video of a couple of poisonous wankers talking shit overlayed with some 1970s footage oh- and a picture of Jones with Fraud written on his forehead ? is that your best shot? pathetic! "know them by their fruit" - Alex jones |
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| Headspin | Apr 6 2008, 03:29 PM Post #13 |
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where did you get the idea Doctor Jones is "shying away" from anything? |
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| Stundie | Apr 6 2008, 05:04 PM Post #14 |
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Hi Headspin, I noticed that he has been working on his paper for peer review, so I got the impression he wasn't pushing his therm?te theory as hard, doing less talks and meetings as he usually does but I could be wrong? I think he is smart enough to make sure all possibilities are covered before being 100% certain before he submits his paper. I have no real criticisms of Jones work and his therm?te theory fits best with the evidence, the evidence debunkers ignore or hand wave away. However, where as Jones thinks or believes that it was used to cut the steel, I prefer Max Photons heat weakening idea. Cheers Stundie Edited by Stundie, Apr 6 2008, 05:06 PM.
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| Citizen Pawn | Apr 6 2008, 05:17 PM Post #15 |
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I often wonder what Jones' next move is. I thought he was supposed to have all this confirmation going on from various Universities and colleagues in his field...or something like that. I think it's reasonable to expect that these sort of things take a while or could take a while to confirm? I don't really care about his paper being published in a "major journal", I want to know what has he proven? He's proven a PROBABILITY of therm?te, but I don't know if he has narrowed it down to a PROOF yet, or if he ever will. And yes, Jones is a central figure in the accepted 9/11 front line 'heroes', thus he's a gatekeeper. All gatekeepers are under suspicion from me personally. Nobody is exempt. That is my SKEPTIC nature. Nothing personal about him, he seems like a very nice guy. But nice guys can lead people off of a cliff too, intentioned or not. ANd Headspin. "Know them by their fruit"? Quoting Alex Jones? That's a biblical quote attributed to Jesus correct? Alex Jones is = to Jesus? In that you couldn't quote the original source? Kinda creepy when I see that. Miragememories: "I think it's fair to say, that because of his personal exposure in challenging the Official 9/11 Theory, Dr. Jones has paid a greater price than any member of this forum." That may be true. If he has honest intentions it certainly is true. But if he is wrong or leading people astray with false science, he wouldn't deserve respect in that way. Time will tell. |
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| Citizen Pawn | Apr 6 2008, 05:27 PM Post #16 |
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Stundie said:
I happen to lean toward the concept that IF the Towers were brought down by some other means than "Planes and resulting fires", Therm?te seems only half of the equation. There is evidence for something 'else' happening there. But I have to reread the rules to see if my talking about that would get me banned or something. |
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| Citizen Pawn | Apr 6 2008, 05:34 PM Post #17 |
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Just reread this OP. That is a harsh speculation on your part. "Betraying the country"? And the premise that he is INTENTIONALLY withholding info to protect perps. I don't know about all that, there are so many variables and 'whys' to what he is doing. Someone on the JREF board one time speculated(Maybe Dr. Greening) that Jones is misinfo/disinfo, by the pure fact that his science seemed so haphazard. I take Greening with a grain of salt, but it was interesting. Maybe Jones is 'fantastic' in his presentation, but I don't know about purposely misleading. |
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| Headspin | Apr 6 2008, 07:03 PM Post #18 |
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Its nearly impossible to prove 100% just about anything, there are different types of proof - legal, statistical, mathematical, scientific etc. you are always going to get some that will suggest the ridiculous as a possibilty rather than acknowledge the obvious, such as suggesting the molten aluminum-iron micro spheres were from victims red blood cells, as the top jref "scientist" did recently  "reasonable" is the operative word as in "proof beyond reasonable doubt".I care about his work being published in a mainstream journal simply to get other neutral scientists to look at it, I think we should all care about that? surely even those that accept the official story. what has been proven is a massive heat source which could not have been generated by ordinary building fire with or without plane crashes. what has been proven by XEDS is a very close match to thermate residue, since thermites can be made with varying and different ingredients, a "close match" is good enough. I am educated enough in the sciences to know what he has is probably good enough to satisfy a legal proof. if this was presented as evidence of arson in an ordinary arson case then it would be enough to convict in my opinion, but this is not an ordinary scenario. No other explanation for the molten micro-spheres that fits with the official story has even been suggested, never mind evidenced, in what? a year now? if there was some other feasible explanation the debunkers would be all over it. never mind any of that, we gotta watch the most disgusting of political smear videos against Doctor Jones and give that attention? what will these people do for an encore? Of course i do know the original source, no disrepect to the faithful, the quote attributed to alex carries a more "exacting" context, enough said on that i think. |
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| CB_Brooklyn | Apr 6 2008, 07:51 PM Post #19 |
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Read the OP. It's been two years since Jones said he has proof of thermite. If he has "proof," why isn't he doing anything with the "proof"? |
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| Headspin | Apr 6 2008, 08:05 PM Post #20 |
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you prove that Doctor Jones said he had "proof" of thermite 2 years ago. my recollection from 2 years ago is that he said he had "evidence" for thermite. he is a scientist and he is doing what a scientist would do. what do you think he should be doing that he isn't already doing? |
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| Headspin | Apr 6 2008, 08:24 PM Post #21 |
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are you still promoting "dustification" by space lasers? or? |
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| CB_Brooklyn | Apr 6 2008, 08:54 PM Post #22 |
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Why are so many people around the "truth movement" convinced that Jones has absolute proof? No, it doesn't mean that he really has proof, but he has misled so many folks into believing he has. This is what is meant in court by swearing to "tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." In other words, a "misleading truth" is the same as a lie. So, it's not the exact wording of what Jones has said, but the message he has given, loud and clear. Go ahead and look through various internet forums, maybe even this one, and you'll see Jones cited as having proved that he has found thermite (and why we should stop looking for anything else). "he is a scientist and he is doing what a scientist would do." WRONG! A true scientist does not present speculation as "hard evidence" until he does have proof. Many have criticized Dr Wood for not stating EXACTLY what the model of the weapon was. She has only presented as fact what she is convinced is true. The evidence is on her website. |
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| Citizen Pawn | Apr 6 2008, 09:13 PM Post #23 |
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Yes he has evidence which could rally in court , but not the 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' benchmark. The trouble is that none of this evidence has reached any 'authority' concerned or responsible with making taking the evidence to the next step. Is that on Jones' agenda? Or just more experiments and 'papers'? I know that if his paper makes a journal, and 'peers' deem his work acceptable, you then could show colleagues agree to a hypothesis. But the step after that would be up to the scientific community, and being that there is willful neglect and conflict of interest in the scientific community(as many have become politically or corporately vested), I don't have too much faith that any would step forward anytime soon. I don't believe that the 'majority' of scientists are there as pure honest practitioners of their industry. Regardless, what is Jones' next step? What is his mission statement for the next 6 months? It's hard for me to even comment without knowing what his expressed intent is. And whatever JREF member suggested iron from victims bodies seems odd, never heard that one.There are other sources for iron way more plausible, sulfur too. |
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| 911wasaninsidejob | Apr 7 2008, 12:20 PM Post #24 |
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can we stop with the "why didn't he bring it to court" BS.... Countless people have went to court trying to bring a 911 truth trial but the judge is always a scumbag and thinks it's anti-american and denies it. |
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| Killtown | Apr 8 2008, 12:20 AM Post #25 |
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1. Name me one other large building prior to 9/11 where they used thermite to help bring it down. 2. It's not my video, just showing you the footage which shows SJones was a shill before. Doesn't that bother you about him? Or do you cast it of as "oh that was a long time ago"? |
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