French St

Jul 7 2009, 04:07 AM

Another possibility is the use of "thermobaric bombs” for the destruction of the Twin Towers:

TDX

Jul 7 2009, 07:56 AM

As I person who knows a lot about explosives, I can tell you that TBX wouldn't find a use in the demolition due to the low brisance,

you just can't blast stell with it, yes TBX are good against walls and people, but it can't be used to cut steel

T3QuillAMocKINGbird

Aug 23 2009, 01:43 AM

Is it just dust on the column?

French St

Jul 8 2009, 11:45 AM

The twin towers were pulverized from top to bottom. Their upper part is pulverised and ejected in all directions and cannot crush the lower part. The twin towers did not collapse, they are pulverised.

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"Traces of tritiated water (HTO) were detected at the World Trade Center (WTC) ground zero after the 9/11/01 terrorist attack. A water sample from the WTC sewer, collected on 9/13/01, contained 0.164±0.074 (2 σ ) nCi/L of HTO. A split water sample, collected on 9/21/01 from the basement of WTC Building 6, contained 3.53±0.17 and 2.83±0.15 nCi/L, respectively. These results are well below the levels of concern to human exposure. Several water and vegetation samples were analyzed from sites outside ground zero, located in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, and the Kensico and Croton Reservoirs. No HTO above the background was found in those samples."

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The Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) recently completed a comprehensive two-year study at 54 landfills within the Commonwealth, testing for the presence of radioactive materials in landfill leachate. The study was performed as a follow-up to DEP's new requirements for radiation monitoring at all solid waste management facilities in Pennsylvania. Although sample results quantified certain naturally occurring elements within natural background levels, including uranium, thorium and potassium, above-normal levels of tritium were noted in leachate at many facilities. Results of the Department's studies are available for download from the "Documents" section below.

The source of higher-than-background levels found in landfill leachate samples was presumed to originate from the improper disposal of self-luminescent exit signs found in construction/demolition (C/D) waste and other solid waste streams. There are no other known sources of tritium in industrial or consumer products that would cause elevated levels of tritium in landfill leachate. Thus, it is apparent that tritium exit signs, which when new may contain up to 25 curies, or 25,000,000,000,000 picocuries (pCi) of tritium, are entering landfills via municipal or residual waste streams. A single tritium emergency exit sign has the potential to cause the tritium levels observed.

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"Thirteen of the 14 private drinking water wells near the plant showed no tritium above normal background levels. The remaining well showed a low level of tritium about 7 percent (1,524 picocuries per liter) of the federal drinking water limit."

French St

Jul 8 2009, 11:45 AM

Quote: "the majority of the observed damage was a work of gravity"

I am not an expert but I do not think this is the case. The twin towers were pulverized from top to bottom. Their upper part is pulverised and ejected in all directions and cannot crush the lower part. The twin towers did not collapse, they are pulverised. See the video "North Tower Exploding":

UKperspective

Sep 13 2009, 09:04 AM

If you are arguing that all three towers were destroyed by a pre planned controlled demolition team which set explosives within the buildings, then it must be a possibility that completely different methods were used, or that completely different organisation planned 7.

UKperspective

Sep 13 2009, 09:04 AM

French St

Jul 8 2009, 11:45 AM

Quote: "the majority of the observed damage was a work of gravity"

I am not an expert but I do not think this is the case. The twin towers were pulverized from top to bottom. Their upper part is pulverised and ejected in all directions and cannot crush the lower part. The twin towers did not collapse, they are pulverised. See the video "North Tower Exploding":

This is something I noticed a long time ago.

When each of the twin towers was destroyed, the bulk of the action was rather like someone destroying a candle from the top down with a heavy duty blow torch. Each tower utterly pulverised from the top down.

Whereas, tower 7 looked just like a traditional Controlled Demolition from the bottom up.

The methods used to destroy Building 7 must have been completely different to those that destroyed buildings 1 and 2. Building 7 was left as a neat pile, but towers 1 and 2 were a mixture of a pile of metal at ground level, a little metal thrown around onto nearby buildings and all the concrete mainly vapourised into a big cloud which settled across the whole city.

If you are arguing that all three towers were destroyed by a pre planned controlled demolition team which set explosives within the buildings, then it must be a possibility that completely different methods were used, or that completely different organisation planned 7.

JFK

Sep 29 2009, 04:05 PM

I'd be real interested in knowing the original source of the following pic...

Ed Ward MD

Sep 29 2009, 04:17 PM

JFK

Sep 29 2009, 04:05 PM

I'd be real interested in knowing the original source of the following pic...

Those are one of my original fact finds - I have several. FEMA site if I remember right. Definitely a state or US gov site. Now that I think about it seem to remember state/FEMA site on the landfills. Should be a reference in the article, but with about 100 references in my first article on micro nukes in the WTC, I may have missed one

Ed

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Fire Truck Danger: Union Says WTC Dust on Rigs a Health Risk

By Greg Gittrich
Daily News
May 15, 2002

http://www.nydailynews.com/2002-05-15/
News_and_Views/City_Beat/a-150930.asp

Hundreds of fire trucks that responded to the World Trade Center attacks remain contaminated with potentially toxic dust, posing health risks to firefighters, union officials charge.

Although the Fire Department has examined the 200 surviving rigs that were at Ground Zero on Sept. 11, only four were professionally decontaminated, FDNY officials acknowledged. The rest were deemed safe and sent back on the streets.

In contrast, the Environmental Protection Agency has ordered the destruction of 890 cars laced with asbestos from the twin towers.

The fire trucks, being used daily on emergency runs, have been scrubbed and appear almost spotless from a distance.

A closer look reveals that many of the rigs' engines, electrical wiring and air-conditioning systems are coated in dust, firefighters said.

"Our rig was parked on West St. right in front of the financial buildings and survived," said a Manhattan firefighter, who asked not to be named. "Every time we go on a run, it blows dust in our faces. It's not safe."

Union officials are adamant that all of the 500 or so fire vehicles used at Ground Zero — not just the trucks there on the first day — should be professionally cleaned.

"This is a serious health issue," said Thomas Manley, health and safety officer of the Uniformed Firefighters Association. "It's not being taken care of for one reason: money."

Manley and Rudy Sanfilippo, the union's Manhattan trustee, charged that the department decided not to decontaminate all the rigs when it learned it would cost $2 million.

"They told us they don't have the money," Sanfilippo said. "It's pathetic."

The cost of cleaning a truck would be at least $5,000, asbestos cleaning companies said.

"It's been eight months and the trucks are still covered in this stuff," Manley said, displaying a fistful of debris he grabbed from inside of a rig at Chelsea firehouse. "They're not any different from the cars that are being destroyed."

FDNY officials maintain the dust on the rigs poses no health risk. Department spokesman David Billig said the FDNY decontaminated the four trucks that had tested positive for dangerous levels of asbestos.

"We are not planning to decontaminate any more," Billig said.

The twin towers' collapse destroyed 95 FDNY vehicles, including 19 engine trucks and 14 ladder rigs.

Airborne Dust Dangerous

Asbestos is dangerous when it is airborne. Inhaling the material can cause chronic lung disease and cancer. The fiber was used as fireproofing in at least 37 floors of the twin towers.

Federal health and safety officials have said that all the Trade Center dust should be assumed to contain asbestos.

"There is no safe level of asbestos exposure," said David Newman, an industrial hygienist at the New York Committee for Occupational Safety and Health. "You will not automatically become ill after being exposed. But as a matter of public health, exposure should be reduced to the minimum possible level."

Manley said 400 firefighters have complained about respiratory problems since the attacks. "I don't want any more getting sick because the trucks haven't been cleaned," he said.

The union's heightened concern comes as the EPA and city have become more diligent in handling the Trade Center dust.

Last week, city and federal environmental officials agreed to hire professional contractors to scrub the dust out of as many as 15,000 apartments. And two days ago, the city flip-flopped on its plan to return hundreds of contaminated cars towed from around the Trade Center after the attacks. The vast majority of the vehicles are being shredded.

"The odds are these fire trucks should be completely taken apart and cleaned," said Marsha Drachman, president of Spectrum Environmental, a Scarsdale asbestos abatement company. "Every time the trucks are used, they could be spreading contaminated dust."