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Ridiculously biased BBC editorial...; 7/7 Ripple Effect
Topic Started: Jun 30 2009, 11:30 AM (599 Views)
alexvegas	Jun 30 2009, 11:30 AM Post #1
alex25smash Posts: 607 Group: Members Member #34 Joined: 01/15/08	I've not been here for ages. How are we all? Mike Rudin of the Conspiracy Files is at it again: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8124687.stm People who discredit films like 7/7 Ripple effect love to pick on the negative aspect of the film makers' personal lives, rather than actually pick apart the claims made in the films. Most rational people are able to watch them critically and use their own heads and research to separate the bizarre and false claims from the valid questions. The most important part of films like 7/7 Ripple Effect and Loose Change are the (still unanswered) questions raised, not the claims made. The smarmy know-it-all tone of the article and the video at the top just make the Mike Rudin and whoever it is behind the camera on the Conspiracy Files look like an arrogant c0ck with a predetermined religion-like opinion.



tuatara	Jun 30 2009, 03:36 PM Post #2
Posts: 197 Group: Members Member #1,046 Joined: 02/02/09	The Conspiracy Files programme is being broadcast right now in the UK - can any UK posters who watch it confirm the predictable tone of attacking the messenger and not the message?
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alexvegas	Jun 30 2009, 03:59 PM Post #3
alex25smash Posts: 607 Group: Members Member #34 Joined: 01/15/08	I've only caught the last 15 mins. But they've just discredited some bloke him by calling him a holocaust denier. Classic. More and more character assassination rather than evidence contradicting their work. When they do say things about the theories, it's by association... 'they recorded suicide videos, so they did it' etc. The tone is incredibly condescending, and they keep focussing on the 'damage of the trust in the government' and 'accusing innocent people', rather than actually looking into the issues. They even made the ridiculous claim that it will isolate Muslims... because the official story doesn't do that does it! Edited by alexvegas, Jun 30 2009, 04:00 PM.



Bernie big shorts	Jun 30 2009, 05:01 PM Post #4
Posts: 224 Group: Members Member #287 Joined: 02/07/08	I've just watched it and i thought it did a decent job of countering the conspiracy theories. The man that produced the Ripple Effect thinks he's the Messiah, there seems to be an occasional link between outlandish conspiracy theories and a messiah complex in Britain (Icke, Shayler, John Hill). I missed the first ten minutes but it did a good job of debunking the stuff about the Controlled Demolition van, the witnesses to a bomb underneath the carriage, the suspects apparently missing the train, the demolition expert, the Peter Power stuff. All in all it pretty much discredited the 7/7 theories in my eyes.
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tuatara	Jun 30 2009, 05:04 PM Post #5
Posts: 197 Group: Members Member #1,046 Joined: 02/02/09	You almost don't need to watch it to know what is in there - just refer back to their piece on Building 7 and you'll know what is coming. It is very powerful propaganda because it appears to be giving a platform to those "crazy conspiracy theorists" while reassuring the masses that everything is OK. It picks a few aspects that these mad people push as evidence of conspiracy and neatly explains why everything is OK really. So for those who have dipped a toe in the water of 7/7 it makes them feel silly for believing idiots. It is "nothing to see here programming".
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tuatara	Jun 30 2009, 05:07 PM Post #6
Posts: 197 Group: Members Member #1,046 Joined: 02/02/09	Bernie big shorts Jun 30 2009, 05:01 PM I've just watched it and i thought it did a decent job of countering the conspiracy theories. The man that produced the Ripple Effect thinks he's the Messiah, there seems to be an occasional link between outlandish conspiracy theories and a messiah complex in Britain (Icke, Shayler, John Hill). I missed the first ten minutes but it did a good job of debunking the stuff about the Controlled Demolition van, the witnesses to a bomb underneath the carriage, the suspects apparently missing the train, the demolition expert, the Peter Power stuff. All in all it pretty much discredited the 7/7 theories in my eyes. What can I say Bernie, no sooner do I post my thoughts and you have already rushed in to confirm them. Thanks buddy.
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alexvegas	Jun 30 2009, 05:11 PM Post #7
alex25smash Posts: 607 Group: Members Member #34 Joined: 01/15/08	Bernie big shorts Jun 30 2009, 05:01 PM The man that produced the Ripple Effect thinks he's the Messiah, there seems to be an occasional link between outlandish conspiracy theories and a messiah complex in Britain (Icke, Shayler, John Hill). Which is relevant why? If I'm holding an apple in my hand, and say 'this is an apple', and then say 'I am the messiah', does the statement about the apple become invalid?



tuatara	Jun 30 2009, 05:19 PM Post #8
Posts: 197 Group: Members Member #1,046 Joined: 02/02/09	There is a whole forum devoted to 7/7 http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?act=idx and this thread tells the story of the documentary and how they refused to take part, given the previous smear jobs of the series. http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?showtopic=2465 The forum has a huge archive of information about 7/7, if you really want to know about the topic (rather than believing everything you watch on TV) then help yourself. Personally, my belief in 7/7 being an inside job is based on 9/11 being so obviously an inside job. If you don't already know that 9/11 was an inside job, then there is no evidence to convince you about 7/7.
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unknown	Jul 1 2009, 01:38 AM Post #9
Posts: 7 Group: BANNED! Member #1,227 Joined: 06/29/09	Here's the show for anyone interested: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lkp01/The_Conspiracy_Files_Series_2_30_06_2009/ And maybe the producer is a cock. But then that would just make it a documentary by a cock about a documentary by a knob who gave the cock all the ammunition he needed.
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Travis	Jul 1 2009, 09:01 AM Post #10
Posts: 565 Group: Members Member #82 Joined: 01/16/08	If someone wants to know how propaganda works and how opinions are manipulated they should study the BBC's conspiracy files. Some obvious stuff: 1) distraction from the main argument or point For example it was indicated that Tony Blair announced it was a crime committed 'in the name of Islam' only 8 hours after the event. The BBC rather than investigating the bases of Blair's claim only 8 hours after the event the BBC changed the focus of the argument to Tony Blair singling out Muslims, and then the BBC suggested that Blair was only attacking extremists and not Muslims as a whole. 2) Character assassination. With at least two of the so called conspiracy theorists the BBC discredited their evidence by attacking their character and not their claims. However, if the BBC was fair in their tactics they would also apply this to the government; how can some one take the government's version of events as truth when it is known the government lied about Iraq's WMD? A lie which has resulted in the death of over a million. So in a nutshell the BBC is saying you can not take evidence from a historian who denies the holocaust, but you can take evidence from a government that lead the country to war based on lies and fabrications. Some un-obvious stuff. 1) Portraying the conspiracy theorists as antagonists and lunatics by the use of language. 2) Using emotive music to accompany their claims and the claims of the Conspiracy theorists. So the music of a villain is applied to the Conspiracy theorists. There are many more points I would like to make regarding my reading and analysis of the BBC's approach to propaganda and opinion manipulation. Edited by Travis, Jul 1 2009, 09:06 AM.
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JFK	Jul 1 2009, 09:48 AM Post #11
Posts: 4,218 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	unknown Jul 1 2009, 01:38 AM Here's the show for anyone interested: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lkp01/The_Conspiracy_Files_Series_2_30_06_2009/ And maybe the producer is a cock. But then that would just make it a documentary by a cock about a documentary by a knob who gave the cock all the ammunition he needed. In case you didn't know it.... And since the greater share of the users on this board are in the US, your link does not help. Perhaps you can rip and host it somewhere ? < shrugs >
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Rich	Jul 1 2009, 10:52 AM Post #12
Posts: 99 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: 01/15/08	It'll probably be on youtube or torrent websites soon. I' watched it on TV when it aired and have no intention of putting myself through it again.
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unknown	Jul 1 2009, 04:34 PM Post #13
Posts: 7 Group: BANNED! Member #1,227 Joined: 06/29/09	Travis If someone wants to know how propaganda works and how opinions are manipulated they should study the BBC's conspiracy files. And if they are still unsure after that they should watch 7/7 Ripple Effect for more examples. Pot: I'm the king of the castle, you're the dirty rascal! Kettle: Nice sunglasses Neo!
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unknown	Jul 1 2009, 04:51 PM Post #14
Posts: 7 Group: BANNED! Member #1,227 Joined: 06/29/09	JFK unknown Here's the show for anyone interested: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lkp01/The_Conspiracy_Files_Series_2_30_06_2009/ In case you didn't know it.... And since the greater share of the users on this board are in the US, your link does not help. Perhaps you can rip and host it somewhere ? < shrugs > Sorry. That's the best I can do. Hopefully it will help a few people at least. And if you're going to ask me to commit a crime can I suggest that you don't do it in front of the whole wide world? It's not what people expect from a crime fighter like yourself.
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unknown	Jul 1 2009, 06:57 PM Post #15
Posts: 7 Group: BANNED! Member #1,227 Joined: 06/29/09	alexvegas Nice piccy. Hope you practice what you preach. Loose Change 9/11 The official explanation is that the entire plane was vaporized by jet fuel.
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Lin Kuei	Jul 1 2009, 07:07 PM Post #16
Posts: 1,309 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: 12/22/07	Unknown: both your accounts (r2d2m2) have been banned.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Jul 2 2009, 02:09 AM Post #17
Posts: 2,005 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	why did the 7/7 "mastermind" have to be tortured and beaten into confessing and threatened with not just the rape of himself but his wife as well? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195484/If-I-didnt-confess-7-7-bombings-MI5-officers-rape-wife-claims-torture-victim.html
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BlindTheAllSeeingEye	Jul 2 2009, 10:39 AM Post #18
Posts: 114 Group: Members Member #1,096 Joined: 03/20/09	There's a torrent of the conspiracy files show on con-cen if anyone wants to see it. EDIT: It's less than 200 mb, I can upload it to a Freefile host if anyone wants it. Edited by BlindTheAllSeeingEye, Jul 2 2009, 10:41 AM.
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JFK	Jul 2 2009, 11:35 AM Post #19
Posts: 4,218 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	BlindTheAllSeeingEye Jul 2 2009, 10:39 AM There's a torrent of the conspiracy files show on con-cen if anyone wants to see it. EDIT: It's less than 200 mb, I can upload it to a Freefile host if anyone wants it. Please do upload it, or even a magnet.uri will work for me.
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BlindTheAllSeeingEye	Jul 2 2009, 01:13 PM Post #20
Posts: 114 Group: Members Member #1,096 Joined: 03/20/09	I got a link for it, it seems like whoever ripped it did it from the webstream but it's still watchable http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PMBN1OQ1
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JFK	Jul 2 2009, 01:32 PM Post #21
Posts: 4,218 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Thank you.
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Bernie big shorts	Jul 2 2009, 06:04 PM Post #22
Posts: 224 Group: Members Member #287 Joined: 02/07/08	alexvegas Jun 30 2009, 05:11 PM Bernie big shorts Jun 30 2009, 05:01 PM The man that produced the Ripple Effect thinks he's the Messiah, there seems to be an occasional link between outlandish conspiracy theories and a messiah complex in Britain (Icke, Shayler, John Hill). Which is relevant why? If I'm holding an apple in my hand, and say 'this is an apple', and then say 'I am the messiah', does the statement about the apple become invalid? alexvegas, The statement doesn't become invalid but i would look down to check if they really did have an apple incase their belief in the apple was as delusional as their belief in being the messiah. I would also be very skeptical about someone telling me that apples were being poisoned by the government in a nefarious plot after they had told me they were the messiah!
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Bernie big shorts	Jul 5 2009, 04:13 PM Post #23
Posts: 224 Group: Members Member #287 Joined: 02/07/08	Here's an article from the Guardian about the film: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/03/conspiracy-theories-july-7-bombings
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tuatara	Jul 5 2009, 08:13 PM Post #24
Posts: 197 Group: Members Member #1,046 Joined: 02/02/09	Bernie big shorts Jul 5 2009, 04:13 PM Here's an article from the Guardian about the film: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/03/conspiracy-theories-july-7-bombings To save you the trouble of reading it, this article is the usual ill-informed rubbish of somebody who has spent no time looking into 7/7 (or 9/11 for that matter). If you do some searches, you will find almost identical reviews in the other major UK dailies - I think they are writing from a formula. The 7/7 Ripple Effect film was an interesting little film containing some speculative drivel - the fact that it contains speculative drivel does not actually mean that 7/7 couldn't have been engineered by other means that the 4 named terrorists. If you really have an interest in 7/7 Bernie, how about finding out which type of explosives were used on the day - that surely can't be too hard.
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TDX	Jul 6 2009, 12:02 PM Post #25
Posts: 159 Group: Members Member #435 Joined: 03/24/08	Organic peroxides - HMTD or APEX, homemade explosive, the same stuff found in the bomber's house no one would use this type of explosive except a suicide terrorist, because it's too unstable and the risk of unwanted detonation is in 10s of percents the damage corresponds Edited by TDX, Jul 6 2009, 12:03 PM.
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