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And the award goes to Fernando Espino of cracked.com!; For being so utterly wrong.
Topic Started: Jun 29 2009, 11:14 AM (122 Views)
tower	Jun 29 2009, 11:14 AM Post #1
Posts: 233 Group: Members Member #121 Joined: 01/18/08	Since every cool kid on the block tends to steer clear off of world affair discussions by mocking the other side, I wasn't really surprised by this: http://www.cracked. com/article_17469_5-pathetic-groups-that-people-think-rule-world.html Quote: The underlying claim behind both is that these groups of wealthy men have been working to create the infamous One-World Government that you'll see pop up in most of these conspiracy theories. They want a totalitarian regime that will enslave all of mankind, all at once. Of course these guys have had decades to establish their plan, but instead they apparently opted for plan B, One-World Clusterfuck. Europe hates America; the Middle East is more fucked than a German whore on coupon day; all China cares about is exporting delicious lead paint; and North Korea is still run by that crazy fucker with the big granny glasses. It's almost as if the result of their "one-world government" conspiracy looks exactly like the random chaos of geopolitical events we've seen for the last few thousand years. The ludicrously simplistic view of world affairs as a complete chaos I can understand, but I don't know which is lamer - the fact that the article seems to be less comedy and more stuffing fingers up your ears and screaming "LALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" or the fact that the author believes the Middle East to always be in conflict, i.e. the Iraq war and the destabilization of the country has been going on forever.
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Bernie big shorts	Jun 29 2009, 12:49 PM Post #2
Posts: 224 Group: Members Member #287 Joined: 02/07/08	Tower, I don't think it's a "ludicrously simplistic view of world affairs" at all. It is often said that the area between modern day Iraq and Iran is one of the most fought over frontiers in the world. The civilization of Sumer sprang up around 5300BC but due to the instability of the Euphrates and Tigris rivers that periodically wiped out farmland and populations the area was a hotbed of conflict as new groups battled for control of the area, most famously the Akkadians in 2340BC, the Babylonians in 1700BC, the Chaldeans in 800BC, the Assyrians at various times, the Persians in 600BC, the Macedonians in 300BC and the Ottomans in the medieval period. Also during these times various smaller tribes and Arab groups battled endlessly for control of the area. I very much agree with the author at cracked.com that "the "one-world government" conspiracy looks exactly like the random chaos of geopolitical events we've seen for the last few thousand years."
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tower	Jun 29 2009, 01:33 PM Post #3
Posts: 233 Group: Members Member #121 Joined: 01/18/08	Quote: I don't think it's a "ludicrously simplistic view of world affairs" at all. It is often said that the area between modern day Iraq and Iran is one of the most fought over frontiers in the world. The civilization of Sumer sprang up around 5300BC but due to the instability of the Euphrates and Tigris rivers that periodically wiped out farmland and populations the area was a hotbed of conflict as new groups battled for control of the area, most famously the Akkadians in 2340BC, the Babylonians in 1700BC, the Chaldeans in 800BC, the Assyrians at various times, the Persians in 600BC, the Macedonians in 300BC and the Ottomans in the medieval period. Also during these times various smaller tribes and Arab groups battled endlessly for control of the area. Like every region of the world, the Middle East has seen times of conflict and times of peace. By that standard, you could just as well call every part of the world (besides the Antarctic) a chaotic land of constant conflict. For nearly every century Europe has seen some mass bloodshed (Spanish inquisition, St. Bartholomew's Day, Kristallnacht, you name it), but the author mentions Middle East specifically, which suggest he has a really simplistic worldview. Quote: I very much agree with the author at cracked.com that "the "one-world government" conspiracy looks exactly like the random chaos of geopolitical events we've seen for the last few thousand years." I completely disagree for two reasons: one - the geopolitical events are not chaotic. Just because something is complicated or hard to understand doesn't mean it bears the burden of randomness like chaos does. The world is a network of interconnected relationships, an event in one country can quickly lead to international repercussions. Two - (and I didn't mention that originally), the author creates (admittedly for comedic reasons, but it feels like he's semi-serious) a false dichotomy - by saying that the installment of a centralized world government must be swift or not exist at all. In reality, what we see today is gradual. For reference, see http://www.aclu.org/html/surveillance_timeline.html#middle. One cannot simply ignore that more and more rights are taken away from the average citizen, an agenda that is clearly pursued by global lobbyists and decision-makers like the Bilderberg Group.
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Bernie big shorts	Jun 29 2009, 01:57 PM Post #4
Posts: 224 Group: Members Member #287 Joined: 02/07/08	Tower, The author doesn't "mention Middle East specifically", he says: Quote: Europe hates America; the Middle East is more fucked than a German whore on coupon day; all China cares about is exporting delicious lead paint; and North Korea is still run by that crazy fucker with the big granny glasses. He is saying that the world is characterised by endless conflict all over the world and always has been. The idea that there is some super secret group of evil overlords controlling all this chaotic war and destruction seems farcical to him, and to me. Edited by Bernie big shorts, Jun 29 2009, 01:58 PM.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Jun 29 2009, 09:51 PM Post #5
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	if you've been paying attention foreign policy has been lets invade and "bring democracy" so those little "clusterfucks" will be more like us and the european union.....african union....south american union....central asian union...north americ....oh wait that doesn't exist until next year my bad.
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T3QuillAMocKINGbird	Jun 30 2009, 03:15 AM Post #6
Posts: 95 Group: Members Member #1,119 Joined: 04/07/09	So now there is no New World Order because the world is currently in Disorder. Great logic! So we need a New World Order to get the World in Order and anyone attempting this will enhance the conspiracy? I wonder what they will call the New World Order so that it is disguised from people that want to be able to say there is no such thing as a new world order? To refute the actual fact that America has been undermined by people that are greedy and have their own agenda is to ignore the obvious. That it is not obvious to some people is becoming more obvious to me. However sinister the ministers could be they now don't even need ignorant people to acknowledge their presence as it is too late for America. The perpeTRAITORS have plundered our economy and left some people still questioning if a New World Order exists, only to posit in retrospect where their deposits have gone! "Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws." — Mayer Amsched Rothchild, a prominent European banker in the eighteenth century
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tower	Jun 30 2009, 09:00 AM Post #7
Posts: 233 Group: Members Member #121 Joined: 01/18/08	Quote: He is saying that the world is characterised by endless conflict all over the world and always has been. The history of the world is characterized by times of conflict and times of peace, it's not conflict all the time. Saying so is a generalization that is much too broad. Quote: The idea that there is some super secret group of evil overlords controlling all this chaotic war and destruction seems farcical to him, and to me. Same situation with me. That's because that's not the point I am making. You don't have to control all the conflicts all the time. And nowhere did I say that it's some "evil overlords". "Evil" is a subjective term, and "overlords" is, I believe, an attempt to mock my argument by the use of otherwise clumsy wording.
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