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What happened to the passengers; Many appear to be still alive
Topic Started: Apr 3 2008, 12:15 PM (1,138 Views)
SPreston	Apr 3 2008, 12:15 PM Post #1
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	This Social Security Death Index (SSDI) here appears to be quite accurate in keeping track of deaths within the Social Security System, which should include every American. Go ahead and test it. If you enter the proper last and first names, it will find every family member or person you know who has died and give their birth date, date of death, partial address, SS#, and state. The search engine never failed me once. It appears to be quite accurate. Now plug in some Flight 11 names. How come so few are listed as dying on 9-11-2001 or are apparently not dead at all? Is it because they are still alive or is it because they are faked names with no SS records? How come both David and Lynn Angell are apparently both still alive? Do their children know? Or are David and Lynn Angell just phantoms existing only on paper and never having any children? Get the passenger lists here and try it on the other flights. This could be a group effort and perhaps passenger details which might be found could help. Examples: Flight 77 Suzan Calley (Suzanne Calley)-none - Still alive? and a photo here Eddie Dillard-none in 2001 or Edward Dillard-none in September 2001- and a photo here LISA J RAINES-11-September-2001 and a photo here How did Lisa really die on 9-11 when so many others are still alive or did not exist? Todd Reuben-none - and a photo here Flight 175 we have the Hansons Peter Hanson-September 18 2001 - another in Nov 2001 and another in Dec 2001 - Did Peter survive the crash and die of injuries later? Christine Hanson-none in September 2001 - still alive? and a photo here - maybe she had no SS yet at 2 years of age Sue Kim Hanson-None in 2001-still alive? and a photo here Flight 11 CREW John Ogonowski, 52, Nothing found First Officer Thomas McGuinness, 42 Nothing found Barbara Arestegui, 38 Nothing found Jeffrey Collman Nothing found Sara Low, 28 27 Oct 1972 -- 11 Sep 2001 Karen Martin 6 people with that name died in 2001. None in September. Kathleen Nicosia Nothing found Betty Ong, 45 ELIZABETH ONG 11 Feb 1909 -- 05 May 2001 Jean Roger, 24 JOAN P ROGER 23 Aug 1940 -- 20 Apr 2001 Dianne Snyder, 42 DIANNE B SNYDER 06 Jul 1945 -- 25 Oct 2001 Madeline Sweeney, 35 MADELINE A SWEENEY17 Dec 1916 -- 09 Dec 2001 (MARY F SWEENEY 01 Jan 1929-11 Sep 2001) PASSENGERS Anna Williams Allison, 48 Nothing found David Angell, 54 23 Mar 1960 -- 25 May 2001 Lynn Angell, 45 Nothing found Seima Aoyama Nothing found Myra Aronson, 52 Nothing found Christine Barbuto, 32 Nothing found Berry Berenson, 53 (BIRDIE BERENSON 15 Mar 1904 -- 22 Aug 2001) Carolyn Beug, 48 Nothing found Carol Bouchard, 43, (CAROLE J BOUCHARD 11 Jun 1940 -- 10 Jun 2001) Robin Caplin Nothing Found Neilie Casey, 32, Nothing found Jeffrey Coombs, 42 18 Sep 1958 -- 11 Sep 2001 Tara Creamer, 30 30 Nov 1970 -- 11 Sep Thelma Cuccinello, 71 THELMA R CUCCINELLO 01 Feb 1930 -- 11 Sep 2001 Patrick Currivan Nothing Found Andrew Curry Green Nothing Found Brian Dale, 43 BRIAN P DALE 23 Oct 1957 -- 11 Sep 2001 David DiMeglio (DAVID M DIMEGLIO 08 Feb 1967 -- 01 Mar 2002)



SPreston	Apr 3 2008, 01:54 PM Post #2
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	How did the co-pilot David CHARLEBOIS survive Flight 77? Did he parachute out over Ohio? Or did he land the aircraft in Cleveland? Michele Heidenberger a stewardess apparently also is still alive and she had a husband, also a pilot, and a daughter and son. Why isn't her SS record up to date? Did her family forget? Sure enough, another stewardess JENNIFER LEWIS has not been reported dead. photo here Why not? I'm going to check whether a National Hero is in the data base. Quote: PATRICK D TILLMAN 06 Nov 1976 22 Apr 2004 (P) Yep, there he is; Pat Tillman. Why not check that person who many others claim is still alive; Barbara Olson? What will we find? Sure enough good old Barb is out there alive and kicking. Sheesh there were a bunch of Barbara Olsons; 7 pages. There were a lot of Barbara Olson deaths in 2001, but not one single Barbara Olson death in September, and especially not one single Barbara Olson death on September 11 2001. But gee willikers they found her DNA way back there past the data recorder with the footprints under it by the Exit Hole, didn't they? That's Barb there circled in red in three places. She made it all the way to the A-E Drive. What's going on? Surely nobody involved in DNA verification would fake the results would they? Why those are dedicated career scientists aren't they? If Barbara Olson and the other passengers are dead, how come nobody has bothered to enter their deaths with the Social Security Administration? Surely that is required for social security benefits to go to surviving spouses and children. It appears the vast majority of the passengers and crew of the 4 alleged hijacked and destroyed aircraft have never had their deaths reported to the Social Security Administration or they are still alive or many of them never existed. The Social Security Death Index (SSDI) includes two added values (V or P). But the majority of the reported deaths require neither value. So why were all these alleged deaths never reported and SS kept up to date? Quote: (V)=(Verified) Report verified with a family member or someone acting on behalf of a family member. (P)=(Proof) Death Certificate Observed. Alleged Flight 77 passenger seating Diagram



Miragememories	Apr 3 2008, 02:22 PM Post #3
Posts: 759 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	I think the case you present will arouse more interest when you can establish proof that at least one of these people is actually alive. The only thing you're really raising questions about is the accuracy of the Social Security Death Index (SSDI). MM
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SPreston	Apr 3 2008, 02:37 PM Post #4
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	Miragememories I think the case you present will arouse more interest when you can establish proof that at least one of these people is actually alive. The only thing you're really raising questions about is the accuracy of the Social Security Death Index (SSDI). MM It appears to be extremely accurate. I checked about 20 persons I had personal information for and it got every single one exactly right. Although none of them died in an aircraft crash, that is 100% accuracy for my efforts. One did die in a boating accident where the body was never found. For the alleged passengers of the 4 aircraft, the accuracy of the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) looks like about 20% assuming they were all actually killed in the alleged crashes. That is a huge discrepency.



hbgtruth	Apr 10 2008, 07:52 PM Post #5
Posts: 102 Group: Members Member #482 Joined: 04/08/08	Before you get too excited about this one.... Common reasons why someone may not appear on the SSDI: Quote: The death was not reported to the Social Security Administration (SSA). The death occurred before the Death Master File was maintained in a computer database. About 98 percent of the deaths in this database occurred between 1962 and the present. The person did not participate in the Social Security program. Survivor death benefits were (are) being paid to dependents or spouse. A recent death may not be indexed yet. Human error. (Before you give up, read the section titled "Missing Entries in the SSDI.")
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almo	Jun 4 2008, 05:24 PM Post #6
Posts: 16 Group: Members Member #313 Joined: 02/12/08	It didn't find anything for my name. It must hate me.
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JFK	Jun 4 2008, 06:05 PM Post #7
Posts: 4,221 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	almo Jun 4 2008, 05:24 PM It didn't find anything for my name. It must hate me. Are you dead yet ? Seriously though, My dad and both my paternal grandparents are listed, but my mother is not.
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Sam	Jun 4 2008, 07:18 PM Post #8
Posts: 61 Group: Members Member #83 Joined: 01/16/08	SPreston Apr 3 2008, 12:15 PM This Social Security Death Index (SSDI) here appears to be quite accurate in keeping track of deaths within the Social Security System, which should include every American. Go ahead and test it. If you enter the proper last and first names, it will find every family member or person you know who has died and give their birth date, date of death, partial address, SS#, and state. The search engine never failed me once. It appears to be quite accurate. Now plug in some Flight 11 names. How come so few are listed as dying on 9-11-2001 or are apparently not dead at all? Is it because they are still alive or is it because they are faked names with no SS records? How come both David and Lynn Angell are apparently both still alive? Do their children know? Or are David and Lynn Angell just phantoms existing only on paper and never having any children? Get the passenger lists here and try it on the other flights. This could be a group effort and perhaps passenger details which might be found could help. Examples: Flight 77 Suzan Calley (Suzanne Calley)-none - Still alive? and a photo here Eddie Dillard-none in 2001 or Edward Dillard-none in September 2001- and a photo here LISA J RAINES-11-September-2001 and a photo here How did Lisa really die on 9-11 when so many others are still alive or did not exist? Todd Reuben-none - and a photo here Flight 175 we have the Hansons Peter Hanson-September 18 2001 - another in Nov 2001 and another in Dec 2001 - Did Peter survive the crash and die of injuries later? Christine Hanson-none in September 2001 - still alive? and a photo here - maybe she had no SS yet at 2 years of age Sue Kim Hanson-None in 2001-still alive? and a photo here Flight 11 CREW John Ogonowski, 52, Nothing found First Officer Thomas McGuinness, 42 Nothing found Barbara Arestegui, 38 Nothing found Jeffrey Collman Nothing found Sara Low, 28 27 Oct 1972 -- 11 Sep 2001 Karen Martin 6 people with that name died in 2001. None in September. Kathleen Nicosia Nothing found Betty Ong, 45 ELIZABETH ONG 11 Feb 1909 -- 05 May 2001 Jean Roger, 24 JOAN P ROGER 23 Aug 1940 -- 20 Apr 2001 Dianne Snyder, 42 DIANNE B SNYDER 06 Jul 1945 -- 25 Oct 2001 Madeline Sweeney, 35 MADELINE A SWEENEY17 Dec 1916 -- 09 Dec 2001 (MARY F SWEENEY 01 Jan 1929-11 Sep 2001) PASSENGERS Anna Williams Allison, 48 Nothing found David Angell, 54 23 Mar 1960 -- 25 May 2001 Lynn Angell, 45 Nothing found Seima Aoyama Nothing found Myra Aronson, 52 Nothing found Christine Barbuto, 32 Nothing found Berry Berenson, 53 (BIRDIE BERENSON 15 Mar 1904 -- 22 Aug 2001) Carolyn Beug, 48 Nothing found Carol Bouchard, 43, (CAROLE J BOUCHARD 11 Jun 1940 -- 10 Jun 2001) Robin Caplin Nothing Found Neilie Casey, 32, Nothing found Jeffrey Coombs, 42 18 Sep 1958 -- 11 Sep 2001 Tara Creamer, 30 30 Nov 1970 -- 11 Sep Thelma Cuccinello, 71 THELMA R CUCCINELLO 01 Feb 1930 -- 11 Sep 2001 Patrick Currivan Nothing Found Andrew Curry Green Nothing Found Brian Dale, 43 BRIAN P DALE 23 Oct 1957 -- 11 Sep 2001 David DiMeglio (DAVID M DIMEGLIO 08 Feb 1967 -- 01 Mar 2002) Are you serious? http://www.september11victims.com/september11Victims/VictimInfo.asp?ID=13 http://www.goasa.com/angellwrittenby.pdf David Angell was not some invented phantom and neither were the other victims.
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Bongo Thud	Jun 4 2008, 11:44 PM Post #9
Libertarian Atheist Posts: 89 Group: Skeptics Member #27 Joined: 01/15/08	Miragememories Apr 3 2008, 02:22 PM I think the case you present will arouse more interest when you can establish proof that at least one of these people is actually alive. The only thing you're really raising questions about is the accuracy of the Social Security Death Index (SSDI). MM Agreed. @ the O.P. - Your post is fucking disgusting. Have proof that any of these victims are alive before you make such an outrageous accusation. ProTip- Look around in the world outside of the internet.



SPreston	Jun 8 2008, 10:12 AM Post #10
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	This above is not a flight manifest. It is a lovely graphic manufactured by a newspaper staff working for the 9-11 planners. There is nothing official or legal about it. Anybody could invent their own fake manifest. If AA released a partial list of only 75 names on Sept 13 2001, then how did the MSM whores come up with 81 and 87 and 89 and 92 and 94 and 97 names before then? This is a flight manifest. Here is another lovely graphic from somebody which is not a flight manifest legal document. There is no official flight manifest legal document for AA Flight 11. Apparently there are no official flight manifest legal documents for the other alleged hijacked 9-11 flights either. All of the alleged flight manifests for Flight 11 have been made public by the Corrupt Mainstream News Media and they are all different with duplicated names or invented names. Jude Larson and Natalie Larson are on some lists and not on others. Robin Caplin is on some lists and not on others. - CNN list - Kelly Booms and Pendyala Vamsikrishna are on the USA Today list and not the CNN list. - USA Today list - CNN list - Partial list - Guardian - Washington Post Sept 12 - Washington Post - Faux News 81 on board Flt 11 - Fox The fake passenger lists vary between 75 and 97. Many have no Arabic names. Many have different names. There is no verified official flight manifest legal document for AA Flight 11. Even the fake hijackers have unverified names which are apparently stolen identities. There were no aircraft hijackings on 9-11. When are you people going to wake up and admit you have been CONned? These Mainstream News Media Whores are really lousy liars aren't they? Media published fake passenger lists for American Airlines Flight 11 Supporters of the official story seem to support this view. In the face of mounting evidence that none of the Sept 11 crashes were actually caused by the planes alleged to have been involved (some of this evidence is linked at the conclusion of this article), supporters of the official story will often reply with a demand to know exactly what happened to the alleged passengers, illogically imagining the lack of a specific answer to represent a flaw in the no planes/substitute planes argument. Implicit in this demand is the belief that there is solid documentation of who the passengers were. Anybody can put up a website, do an interview or send an email, claiming to be family or friend of a plane victim. But the only credible, official source for such information is the airline passenger list, and the only credible source for obtaining this information is the airline itself, or authorities and media to which the airline makes it available. One can't demand an explanation of what happened to particular people alleged to be on the flight unless one can prove that they were on the flight. Implicit in the official story is the assumption that such information has been established in the public domain by the media. http://archive.indymedia.be/news/2004/05/84711.html



JFK	Jun 8 2008, 10:26 AM Post #11
Posts: 4,221 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Bongo Thud Jun 4 2008, 11:44 PM @ the O.P. - Your post is fucking disgusting. Have proof that any of these victims are alive before you make such an outrageous accusation. ProTip- Look around in the world outside of the internet. There were no accusations made in the OP. They were questions.... And given what we know about Operation Northwoods very legitimate ones. You Sir are disgusting for twisting these questions into accusations. Now if you have answers to these questions present them.
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JackD	Jun 8 2008, 12:27 PM Post #12
Posts: 263 Group: Members Member #253 Joined: 01/31/08	the accuracy of the SSDI is problematic. it would be a safe statement to make that "the percentage of passengers missing from the SSDI seems higher than would be expected from analysis of other plane disasters" it gets even better with AA11 --- passenger Daniel C Lewin, of Seat Nine B -- co-founder of Akamai technologies, MIT PhD, and member of elite israeli anti-terror commando unit, specializing in airline piracy, Sayret Matkal. you can google the info about Lewin -- who, as seated in 9B -- was identified as one of the hijackers by the sweeney & ong phone calls. that story later morphed into Lewin being shot by the passenger behind him. nothing about the Lewiin story makes sense-- what are the odds that a specialist in anti-aircraft terror should happen to be sitting in business class of a plane that gets hijacked? do we not think Mr Lewin would take action? and, then, to explain away his non-action, he is ???shot? how did the gun get on board, Laura Brown?see team8plus research on the topic
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sparkoflife420	Jul 22 2008, 03:25 AM Post #13
Posts: 9 Group: BANNED! Member #760 Joined: 07/22/08	Flight 11 and 77 didn't happen.
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