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| Skeptics, 1993 WTC Attack = Inside Job | |
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| Topic Started: May 2 2008, 01:46 PM (327 Views) | |
| Domenick DiMaggio | May 2 2008, 01:46 PM Post #1 |
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American Free Press
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January 7-13, 1993: FBI Cancels Monitored Meetings that Could Expose WTC Bomb Plot Carson DunbarGarrett Wilson, a paramilitary trainer and gun seller working as an FBI informant, meets with Clement Rodney Hampton-El and Abu Ubaidah Yahya at a Brooklyn restaurant on January 7, 1993. Yahya is the security chief of the Al-Kifah Refugee Center, a charity front tied to both al-Qaeda and the CIA (see 1986-1993), and Hampton-El is also tied to Al-Kifah. They had already met Wilson and discussed hiring him to give weapons training to a small group (see Mid-November-December 20, 1992). They agree that, starting on January 13, Wilson will train the group for five days at a New Jersey shooting range and will get paid $5,000 for doing so. (This is not to be confused with other training going on the same month taught by Yahya in Pennsylvania (see December 1992-Early February 1993).) The FBI plans to monitor the training and follow all of the participants. But FBI superior Carson Dunbar learns of the plan just before the training is to begin and expresses concern that the FBI could be training potential terrorists. He dramatically cuts down what Wilson is allowed to teach, so much so that his FBI handlers are worried Wilson will be immediately exposed as a US agent and killed. Then, as Wilson is getting in his car to drive to the training site, Carson cancels the operation altogether. Luckily for Wilson, he has a good alibi for not attending, so his cover is not blown. But other FBI agents are furious at Dunbar’s behavior. It is not known who would have attended, but Hampton-El and Yahya are loosely connected to many of the 1993 WTC bombers. The authors of the 2002 book The Cell will later comment that the FBI “was just a whisper away from the World Trade Center plot.” [Miller, Stone, and Mitchell, 2002, pp. 87-90] February 26, 1993: WTC Is Bombed but Does Not Collapse, as Bombers Had Hoped
Public-Action.com Frederic Whitehurst, FBI Lab Whistleblower Testifying at the World Trade Center Bombing Trial August 14, 1995 (Dr. Frederic Whitehurst's efforts to expose scientific fraud in the FBI laboratory was the subject of an article in The Washington Post, September 14, 1995 and continuation page posted above this reply.) FBI Pressures Scientists to Lie. In the aftermath of the world Trade Center bombing of February 26, 1993, the FBI concocted misleading scientific reports and pressured two leading scientists to perjure their testimony in order to support its prosecution of the men accused of the bombing. The process was described by senior FBI explosives expert Dr. Frederic Whitehurst during his testimony at the trial on August 14, 1995. Sewage pipes in the skyscraper broke during the explosion. depositing 80 gallons of sewage throughout the wreckage. The Treasury Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) asked Dr. Whitehurst to analyze some of this sewage, thinking it was an explosive substance. "Transcript. pg. 16333". Dr. Whitehurst concluded that there was no sound scientific basis for the government's public claim that a urea nitrate bomb had been the source of the explosion. When he refused to recant or to doctor his reports to support the urea nitrate bomb theory, the FBI used an unqualified lab technician to testify that the so-called urea nitrate found at the scene was consistent with a urea nitrate bomb. Dr. Whitehurst submitted two blind test samples to the lab technician. Whitehurst had prepared one sample by urinating into a laboratory flask. The other was a sample of commercial grade fertilizer prepared by FBI Agent Burmeister. The lab technician found that both samples tested positive for urea nitrate, the explosive component of the infamous fertilizer bomb. In other words, Dr. Whitehurst proved that the lab technician, like the ATF, couldn't tell a bomb from sewage. Amazing Court Transcript |
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| Citizen Pawn | May 4 2008, 03:58 PM Post #2 |
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AND MY 'JREFIAN' RESPONSE WOULD BE : "WHERE'S ANY EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING WRONG HERE? WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE? SHOW ME ANYTHING REMOTELY OUT OF THE ORDINARY OR SHUT UP! IT TAKES TOO MANY PEOPLE TO PULL OFF....SOMEONE WOULD COME FORWARD...NO ENGINEER IN HIS RIGHT MIND WOULD BELIEVE...WHERE ARE YOUR EXPERTS....BLAHHHHHHH" |
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| SPreston | May 5 2008, 12:49 AM Post #3 |
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And once again we have our sub-standard non-scientific knee-jerk stick your head back up your arse JREF government loyalist denial as an answer. Surprise surprise surprise. |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | May 5 2008, 12:08 PM Post #4 |
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I wasn't expecting any skeptics to reply to this considering it is acknowledged fact that the FBI gave Al Qaeda the ingredients to make the bomb used in the attack. Good to see they didn't let me down.....lol |
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| SPreston | May 5 2008, 03:00 PM Post #5 |
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Citizen Pawn tried to help them out, but without the strawman arguments and real tears, it just did not look like very convincing government loyalist fanaticism. Good try anyway. The skeptics have been uncharacteristicly silent of late. Perhaps licking their wounds after their sudden defeats above the Navy Annex and in that FDR loop southwest of the Pentagon? AW Smith current strategy - Trash the Flight 77 FDR and stupid RADES - Forget the light poles and Lloyd - What the hell - This damn engine should be able to plow across the lawn ![]() [/quote] |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | May 6 2008, 11:19 AM Post #6 |
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are all the skeptics banned? sap-guy? illuminate? bret? any takers?? any? |
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| SPreston | May 6 2008, 09:59 PM Post #7 |
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sevon Tether uruk PB&J (PBnJ) tharg DGM j19 arbor A few of them are over at the Skeptics Forum. Ohhh.......... This is the Skeptics Forum............ Maybe they are off somewhere else licking their wounds. It has been a bad past three or four weeks for them.
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| Citizen Pawn | May 7 2008, 05:43 AM Post #8 |
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I'd also like to see their responses. Wish I had the Popcorn Smiley like they do. *Eats Popcorn* |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | May 7 2008, 07:58 AM Post #9 |
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Maybe we should post pictures of kittens? They seem to have some sick obsession/fetish for small cats. Not sure what thats all about..... |
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| honway | May 9 2008, 09:33 AM Post #10 |
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http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=81598 Who Bombed The WTC? FBI Bomb Builders Exposed [audio of FBI agent and provocateur Emad Salem] Click below for the conversation between FBI Agent John Anticev and the admitted WTC 1993 bombing provocateur Emad Salem http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/emad%20salem.mp3 Edited by honway, May 9 2008, 09:36 AM.
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| Domenick DiMaggio | May 11 2008, 10:25 AM Post #11 |
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Al-Qaeda Operatives Ahmad Ajaj and Ramzi Yousef enter the US together. Ajaj is arrested at Kennedy Airport in New York City. Yousef is not arrested, and later, he masterminds the 1993 bombing of the WTC. “The US government was pretty sure Ajaj was a terrorist from the moment he stepped foot on US soil,” because his “suitcases were stuffed with fake passports, fake IDs and a cheat sheet on how to lie to US immigration inspectors,” plus “two handwritten notebooks filled with bomb recipes, six bomb-making manuals, four how-to videotapes concerning weaponry, and an advanced guide to surveillance training.” However, Ajaj is charged only with passport fraud, and serves a six-month sentence. From prison, Ajaj frequently calls Yousef and others in the 1993 WTC bombing plot, but no one translates the calls until long after the bombing. [Los Angeles Times, 10/14/2001] Ajaj is released from prison three days after the WTC bombing, but is later rearrested and sentenced to more than 100 years in prison. [Los Angeles Times, 10/14/2001] One of the manuals seized from Ajaj is horribly mistranslated for the trial. For instance, the title page is said to say “The Basic Rule,” published in Jordan in 1982, when in fact the title says “al-Qaeda” (which means “the base” in English), published in Afghanistan in 1989. Investigators later complain that a proper translation could have shown an early connection between al-Qaeda and the WTC bombing. [New York Times, 1/14/2001] An Israeli Newsweekly later reports that the Palestinian Ajaj may have been a mole for the Israeli Mossad. The Village Voice has suggested that Ajaj may have had “advance knowledge of the World Trade Center bombing, which he shared with Mossad, and that Mossad, for whatever reason, kept the secret to itself.” Ajaj was not just knowledgeable, but was involved in the planning of the bombing from his prison cell. [Village Voice, 8/3/1993] |
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| Citizen Pawn | May 11 2008, 12:29 PM Post #12 |
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*Still eating Popcorn* |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | May 11 2008, 12:37 PM Post #13 |
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I brought this to the JREF and this is what happened. |
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| look-up | May 11 2008, 12:56 PM Post #14 |
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to them, there is no such thing as truth... just spin. funny how when you post your opinion, they say, "where are your sources?" and when you copy and paste sources, they just pretend that it isn't a good practice to do so... hypocrites... |
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| Citizen Pawn | May 11 2008, 03:28 PM Post #15 |
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You expected any real discussion from THEM?!? Dude, it's JREF. Nuff said I seriously don't understand why people even ask for their acceptance or review of ANY subject. It's like asking 10 year olds to clarify their stance on Greek Philosophy, while they're wearing party hats and have chocolate cake stains on their face. And their constant SLANDER by trying to tie the TM too "anti semitism" and so on and so forth. They're ridiculous people dude. We know this. |
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| Illuminate | May 13 2008, 02:41 AM Post #16 |
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That's so funny - Preston, who wants all dissenting voices banned, and who makes vague death threats, wonders where are the debunkers are. Here's a tip - we're off living our lives, knowing that whether or not we debunk you, your movement is going nowhere. |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | May 13 2008, 03:22 AM Post #17 |
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another skeptic unable to address the actual topic. surprise surprise |
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| Illuminate | May 13 2008, 05:27 AM Post #18 |
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You a big fan of the American Free Press? |
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| JFK | May 13 2008, 06:10 AM Post #19 |
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That has exactly what to do with the topic at hand ? |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | May 13 2008, 06:21 AM Post #20 |
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1 link is from then |
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| gc051360 | May 16 2008, 09:30 PM Post #21 |
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It's JREF nuff said? I am free to post in all of their forums, while on this one, I have been "confined" to this 'skeptics' forum for some reason. About the 1993 bombings, I am not informed enough, so I can't comment. I suggest that if you have evidence of an inside job....you do something about it though. ETA: Why are you all so wrapped up about what the JREF forum thinks? They're just a forum. Don't you have bigger fish to fry? I mean....you believe that the 1993 bombings were an inside job and your response is "wait until jref gets a load of this" Christ. How immature can you be? Edited by gc051360, May 16 2008, 09:32 PM.
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| Freq Band | May 17 2008, 02:40 AM Post #22 |
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They're still waiting on the NIST report, regarding this story. |
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| Killtown | May 17 2008, 02:53 AM Post #23 |
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Childish Hypocrite
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Hi Frequently Banned. |
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| Freq Band | May 17 2008, 03:01 AM Post #24 |
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Myself, I didn't realize the connection....between "band" and "banned" ...heh..good catch ! Actually my name is that of my music group....Freq Band is just a different spelling of Freak Band. |
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