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Loose Change flash is fake
Topic Started: May 20 2009, 04:08 PM (913 Views)
JFK	May 22 2009, 09:38 AM Post #26
Posts: 4,150 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	D.Duck May 22 2009, 08:41 AM JFK May 21 2009, 11:30 AM asaf-a May 21 2009, 11:27 AM So when was it vanished? It vanished in the second video which the Naudet brothers marketed. JFK, Naudet first hit has no flash in it when it was aired 9/12 - 2001 - 0:05 From the archices and aired CNN Sept. 12, 2001 0:05 am - 0:47 am (September 12, 2001) http://www.archive.org/details/cnn200109120005-0047 So why has Loochange a flash in it? Best D.Duck It is because the compression scheme used in creating that .mp4 file which is hosted by the Internet Archive deinterlaces the original video, and you can actually see the flash's beginning if you look for it, but the next frame is dropped. Do a frame by frame and you will see that every other frame is dropped. I do know that Dylan worked from the highest resolution videos available at the time, which in this case would have been a copy of the Naudet Brothers first DVD. Edit to add - I am currently downloading the high resolution 1 GB .mpg version of that clip from the Internet Archive and will post a screenshot after I capture it... The freely available clip which you saw is 177,380 Kb in size. Edited by JFK, May 22 2009, 09:55 AM.
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asaf-a	May 22 2009, 10:21 AM Post #27
Posts: 40 Group: Members Member #1,103 Joined: 03/27/09	So, i guess i was right after all that the flashes can be droped while the files are edited
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JFK	May 22 2009, 11:16 AM Post #28
Posts: 4,150 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	asaf-a May 22 2009, 10:21 AM So, i guess i was right after all that the flashes can be droped while the files are edited Perhaps you should read up on file compression.
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dylan avery	May 22 2009, 12:16 PM Post #29
Posts: 108 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: 12/21/07	JFK May 22 2009, 09:38 AM I do know that Dylan worked from the highest resolution videos available at the time, which in this case would have been a copy of the Naudet Brothers first DVD. Yep. The flash "disappears" in certain copies because of field issues ... it technically only exists for half a frame in most copies, including the DVD ( it only showed up when I selected certain de-interlacing options ), so you need to make sure you're interpreting the footage properly. Also, in Final Cut, I was going off of the Associated Press' copy, since we paid to license that shot amongst others. It arrived on a DVCAM tape, copied straight to my hard drive, and bam, flash is there.
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JFK	May 22 2009, 01:17 PM Post #30
Posts: 4,150 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	OK, I did have to split that file to get it to play here because this computer does not have enough RAM. ( not to mention it is a POS HP ) Anyway it is not as pronounced but it is there... It is from this download... Sorry about the censorship, but it has to be that way for the Internet Archive's sake. Edit to add - I just tried it on an even older computer and it totally jumps over the flash section by probably 5 frames in each direction. Attached to this post: flash.png (246.47 KB) IA.png (6.39 KB) Edited by JFK, May 22 2009, 04:16 PM.
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BoneZ	May 24 2009, 08:40 AM Post #31
Posts: 716 Group: Members Member #269 Joined: 02/03/08	22205 May 22 2009, 03:17 AM http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=6518&view=findpost&p=15411908 ps- i am not a "no planer". I was just banned for posting in that thread. Apparently, they're so scared of me and my NPT debunking skills on other forums, that I had to be banned on sight. No warning or suspension first per the rules of the forum (even though I hadn't broken any forum rules). All new forum signups are manually checked by the admin. That's what we call a dictatorship of disinfo artists. At least I now know I've been debunking KT on other forums under his many socks because he keeps getting banned and has to keep changing names.
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R1J1D-W1LL	May 28 2009, 08:52 PM Post #32
Posts: 32 Group: Members Member #1,155 Joined: 05/05/09	Good job Bonez, that 9/11truthmovement is officially a joke you got banned for asking questions, after you got bashed for not stroking everyone ego they just go after you with double talk because there opinions are the only ones that are right, thats just what kind of crap they fling over there straight outta each others A$$$!
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TDX	May 29 2009, 11:15 AM Post #33
Posts: 159 Group: Members Member #435 Joined: 03/24/08	oh, yeah and flying pigs did the demolition it's some kind of el. discharge or contact spark, nothing unusual nobody could fly the plane with that big precision, the plane would have problems to hit a 10m target and any charge on the plane would make exactly zero sense, it would only crush the nose, thus minimizing the impact "momentum" anyway, the exterior columns would be cut in any case, the KE of the plane was sufficient to cut the 30 or so exterior columns, deal with it
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JFK	May 29 2009, 11:45 AM Post #34
Posts: 4,150 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	TDX May 29 2009, 11:15 AM oh, yeah and flying pigs did the demolition it's some kind of el. discharge or contact spark, nothing unusual nobody could fly the plane with that big precision, the plane would have problems to hit a 10m target and any charge on the plane would make exactly zero sense, it would only crush the nose, thus minimizing the impact "momentum" anyway, the exterior columns would be cut in any case, the KE of the plane was sufficient to cut the 30 or so exterior columns, deal with it Are you sure TDX ?
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BoneZ	May 29 2009, 01:11 PM Post #35
Posts: 716 Group: Members Member #269 Joined: 02/03/08	TDX May 29 2009, 11:15 AM the KE of the plane was sufficient to cut the 30 or so exterior columns, deal with it None of the exterior columns were cut. There may be a couple/few that are questionable due to the angles of the photo's I've seen, but most, if not all of the exterior columns failed at the connectors and the steel columns themselves did not fail.
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