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The red bandana; Child of a virgin?
Topic Started: Mar 26 2008, 02:59 PM (5,836 Views)
SPreston
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Aldo Marquis CIT
Mar 27 2008, 01:54 PM
SPreston
Mar 27 2008, 12:47 PM
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It says right in the bottom right hand corner that it is a duplicate. Looks like it was issued 6/23/01 and she would have been Ceecee Lyles at that point.

With a new issue date of 06-23-01 at the left which should have been 05-01-00 or soon afterwards and a new drivers license number at the top.

I don't get what you are saying?
It means Aldo that I would presume that CeeCee would renew her license soon after her marriage and name change on May 1 2000, It is likely the law in Florida as it is in many other states and sure makes things easier to have your driver's license match your new name. The licenses are apparently renewed every six years. CeeCee had been a police officer for six years previous to becoming a United flight attendant and would have gone through a lot of security and needed a proper driver's license to keep her airport IDs and United security clearance up to date. When they faked her driver's license, they did not follow proper Florida procedure nor common sense.
Her license should have said:
LICENSE NUMBER New number at the top
ISSUED
(about) 05-05-00
EXPIRES 11-25-06
DUPLICATE 06-23-01
(if she lost or damaged her license)

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CeeCee Ross-Lyles
34 years old
Fort Myers, FL

Mrs. Lyles was one of the flight attendants on board United 93. Before working as a flight attendant, she was a police officer for six years. She resigned because the airline industry offered more perks and less stress.

Mrs. Lyles husband, Lorne, a police officer, received a phone call that morning. She was surprisingly calm, he said, considering the screaming he heard in the background.

"Just hearing my wife saying she loved us through all that chaos on that plane is just embedded in my heart forever," he said.

Mrs. Lyles' son Jerome Smith is 16 years old. "Everything that happened, the tragedy, was for a cause," he said.
http://www.unitedheroes.com/CeeCee-Ross-Lyles.html



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Amanda said the evidence in the trial exhibit is a photo of the license and not the license itself, and that she altered the 2nd license photo in Domenick's Post #9 to CEECEE L ROSS to show how easy it was. The originals (here) and (here) are US Government official evidence exhibits. We aready knew for a fact that they were altering and manufacturing and planting evidence. This appears to be evidence of illegal counterfeiting of evidence by the corrupt FBI which could stand up in court. The crooked judge in the Zhacarias Moussaoui Kangeroo Trial must have recognized the illegal nature of the sloppy forgeries and let it pass. The counterfeiters left a clue at the bottom; FBI LABORATORY SPECIAL PHOTO UNIT.

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Navigating FL DMV site for specific wording is a nightmare, so I gave up and called.
I just got off the phone with DMV in Cape Coral. The woman said that when ever a change is implemented, whether it is name change, address change, correction of errors, that the issue date changes every time.
She also said that the DL number changes when their is a name change, as the number reflects (begins with) the first letter of the applicant's last name.
She brought one up on her screen that she had just done, and said that the proceeding numbers after the first letter of the last name do change, and that any previous DL numbers associated with the applicant are electronically linked.

I got off the phone and realized I'd forgotten to ask whether a duplicate date would be displayed on the new license, so I called back, got a different woman who said 'no' that it is not a duplicate license, that a person would bring in their marriage license, their present license, and they issue as if it is a new license.
I pressed her to confirm whether "Duplicate & Date" would be displayed on the new license, and she said no, it is a new license, not a duplicate.
So if what these 2 women are telling me is correct, there are 2 discrepancies on CeeCee's license.. the issue date and the display of "Duplicate 06/23/2001"
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=2616&st=15
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Correct. You just verified what information the Florida Highway Patrol told me in a phone conversation. This is the point I'm making. The person who tampered with the evidence did a very sloppy job. The alteration of John M Talignani's license was also very sloppy. They changed his address to the address of Louis C. Crisci & Denise M. Crisci but failed to change the extended zip code to match. The extended zip code of 6911 matches his correct address of 7202 Bramblewood Dr. The person who altered the license should have changed the extended zip to 2019 to match the fake address of 8611 Huntsman Lane. I wonder why they did such a bad forgery? Also, John M Talignani's license expired 08/31/98.
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The Zacarias Moussaoui Prosecution Trial Exhibit # P200069 was not an altered license. It was a photographic image of one.
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The Red Bandana - back to the OP

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Why is this brand new looking red bandana even considered Flight 93 evidence? Maybe somebody should move it and see if the price tag is still on it. One of the rescuers could have dropped it and contaminated the alleged Flight 93 crash scene. None of my bandanas look that good and they haven't even been through a fender bender. Was one of these guys wearing it or some farmer plowing a field 150 years ago?

Alleged Flight 93 'Hijacker' Bandana Wearers
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In the propaganda flick Flight 93 Countdown to Terror, we learned that the first 'phone call' on the film was from Flight 93 passenger Jeremy Glick, who allegedly says, "There's three of them, Arab looking, possibly Iranian. They've got red headbands on, one of them is standing in the aisle wearing a red sash and bag round his waist. Says there's a bomb in it." The second 'phone call' was from Flight 93 air hostess Sandy Bradshaw, who allegedly says, "My aircraft has been hijacked by three guys with knives. One of them is sitting in the back row first class. They've got red bandannas on their heads and they're Islamic-looking people. We are in the back galley boiling water to throw on them". In the movie the propagandists made sure you noticed this by filming the 'reconstructed hijackers' with bright red scarves tied around their heads.
Of course we all know that there were no hijackers on Flight 93 and the 'phone calls' were all faked, don't we?

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But wait, if one of these guys was wearing the red bandana, how come it is not tied in a knot and in the shape of a head? Shouldn't there be some brain tissue and bits of hair stuck to it? Were the alleged hijackers really wearing red bandanas? Why not just ask them? Saeed Alghamdi were you wearing that red bandana on Flight 93 on 9-11? No? Ahmed Al-Nami were you wearing that red bandana on Flight 93 on 9-11? No? Would you ever wear a red bandana? No? Saeed what was your passport doing there? You don't know? Did anybody from the FBI apologize for falsely accusing you? No? Do you think that alleged passport of yours used in the Moussaoui Kangaroo Trial ever went through an aircraft crash into the ground? No? Not me either.

Homeland Security claims Saeed Al-Ghamdi is dead. here But Saeed Al-Ghamdi claimed right after 9-11 that he was very much alive. Of course he may have been murdered in the next six years to shut him up. With their record of lying, would you believe Homeland Security over Saeed Al-Ghamdi?

Homeland Security claims Ahmed Al-Nami is dead. here But Ahmed Al-Nami claimed right after 9-11 that he was very much alive. Of course he may have been murdered in the next six years to shut him up. With their record of lying, would you believe Homeland Security over Ahmed Al-Nami?

The Saudi passport of Saeed Alghamdi who was actually still alive and flying, was said to be discovered in the wreckage of Flight 93.
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The Saudi Airlines pilot, Saeed Al-Ghamdi, 25, and Abdulaziz Al-Omari, an engineer from Riyadh, are furious that the hijackers' "personal details" - including name, place, date of birth and occupation - matched their own.

Mr Al-Ghamdi was named as a terrorist on the United Airlines flight that crashed in Pennsylvania - a plane said by some experts to have been heading for the White House.

He first knew that he was on the FBI's list when he was told by a colleague. Speaking from Tunisia, he said: "I was completely shocked. For the past 10 months I have been based in Tunis with 22 other pilots learning to fly an Airbus 320. The FBI provided no evidence of my presumed involvement in the attacks.

"You cannot imagine what it is like to be described as a terrorist - and a dead man - when you are innocent and alive." The airline was angry too. Officials brought Mr Al-Ghamdi back to Saudi Arabia last week for a 10-day holiday to avoid arrest or interrogation.

An official said: "We are consulting lawyers about what action to take to protect the reputation of our pilots." Mr Al-Ghamdi faced further embarrassment when CNN, the American television network, flashed a photograph of him around the world, naming him as a hijack suspect.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml
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The other two men accused of being terrorists are Salem Al-Hamzi and Ahmed Al-Nami. Mr Al-Hamzi is 26 and had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou after a holiday in Saudi Arabia when the hijackers struck. He was accused of hijacking the American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon.

He said: "I have never been to the United States and have not been out of Saudi Arabia in the past two years." The FBI described him as 21 and said that his possible residences were Fort Lee or Wayne, both in New Jersey.

Mr Al-Nami, 33, from Riyadh, an administrative supervisor with Saudi Arabian Airlines, said that he was in Riyadh when the terrorists struck.

He said: "I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked."

He had never lost his passport and found it "very worrying" that his identity appeared to have been "stolen" and published by the FBI without any checks. The FBI had said his "possible residence" was Delray Beach in Florida.
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how come it is not tied in a knot and in the shape of a head?


Good question, always escaped my notice.

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"There's three of them, Arab looking, possibly Iranian. They've got red headbands on"


As I said, when seeing Arabs with bandanas you associate them with religious fanatics.

The next quote shows this:

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They've got red bandannas on their heads and they're Islamic-looking people.


If Sandy Bradshow does not usually identifies Arabs automatically as Islamic, then it would have been the bandanas making her believe that she was dealing with islamic fundamentalists.

But only if you don't know the details. And they messed it up.

Red bandana? Why should islamic fanatics wear red bandanas?

I'm not aware of any islamic fanatics wearing red bandanas, but I know that most people don't know about and would associate this with islamic fanatics.
Because they know the pictures from Palestinian demonstrations, where you cann see demonstrants wearing bandanas in different colours on the same demonstration

But the colour is associated to the organisations. Green stands for Hamas, yellow for Islmaic Jihad, black for Al-Fatah (or their militant arm, fomer Al-Aqsa-Martyr-Brigades), and red stands for PFLP.

That are marxists nationalists, and certainly no islamic fanatics.

Isn't it interesting that on 9/11 PFLP supposedly confessed to the attacks?
Then red bandanas would make perfect sense.
Also, the PFLP has unlike any other organisation a history of hijacking.

Remember the greatest hijacking in history so far, which took place in September 1970, when PFLP captured four (!) planes, and when the hostages were freed, September 11 (!).

(See also here)

Remember also that on 9/11 media showed cheering Palestinians, and newspaper made them frontpage next day.

Given the colour of the bandanas, the coincidence of date, and that PFLP is associated with hijackings like no other organisation, and hence are also the most experienced in it, I wonder if this is all a coincidence, or if there was some early attempt, when the official version that OBL was behind it, wasn't established yet, to shift the blame on Palestinians.

Of course speculation, but that islamic fanatics would chose red as their prefered colour makes no sense for me.
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Of course speculation, but that islamic fanatics would chose red as their prefered colour makes no sense for me.
Of course Islamic fanatics did NOT choose red as the color to be worn as identifying marks on Flight 93. It was New World Order fanatics who chose that color to be worn by their simulated hijackers. It was NeoCON fanatics working for the New World Order and seeking their New Pearl Harbor scenario who gave us these movie scripts with magicians' tricks and Hollywood special effects to CON the unwary and those Americans fast asleep in front of their boob tubes.

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red stands for PFLP.

That are marxists nationalists, and certainly no islamic fanatics.

Isn't it interesting that on 9/11 PFLP supposedly confessed to the attacks?
Then red bandanas would make perfect sense.
Also, the PFLP has unlike any other organisation a history of hijacking.

Remember the greatest hijacking in history so far, which took place in September 1970, when PFLP captured four (!) planes, and when the hostages were freed, September 11 (!). (See also here)
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Tuesday, 28 August 2001

Abu Ali Mustafa, the leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine who was killed by Israel on Monday, has been buried in Ramallah.

Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
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Another interesting 9-11 coincidence; September 11, 1970. Perhaps the 9-11 planners were seeking to blame 9-11 on the PFLP, but the CIA had no other agents equal to Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein to lead the Palestinians. Maybe the Flight 93 starring cast should have worn red hoods and capes with P.F.L.P. on the back, instead of neatly folded red bandanas symbolic of US railroad engineers and redneck Appalachian coal miners. Mustafa was dead (perhaps a terrible and poorly timed blunder by the Israelis?) and perhaps the Bushies had to suddenly shift the blame for 9-11 to Saddam and Osama. But only the horribly ignorant were believing the lie that Saddam was behind 9-11 and a danger to US cities. Many other ignorant persons still believe that Osama is still alive and was behind 9-11. But Osama right after 9-11 said repeatedly that no he had nothing to do with 9-11 and cannot answer to it anymore because he has been long dead for over 6 years. And Saeed Al-Ghamdi and Ahmed Al-Nami and 4 or 5 other alleged hijackers were still alive after 9-11, regardless of the protestations and whimpering of the defenders and disinformation agents of the official fantasy.

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