New short highlighting Lloyde's virtual admission

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New short highlighting Lloyde's virtual admission; excerpts from "National Security Alert"
Topic Started: Apr 30 2009, 02:47 PM (1,725 Views)
22205	Jul 23 2009, 08:35 PM Post #51
Arlingtonian Posts: 443 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: 01/14/08	Citizen Pawn Jul 23 2009, 08:01 PM Wait a damn second... Lloyd and his wife tried to..or did...change their names right before 9/11? Could this stuff get any weirder??? We sure it's the same Lloyd? Same wife? 100%. -to protect their privacy, i removed their address from the screencap, and though the source is easily available (go to arlington county's main gov. website and look around), i intentionally omitted linking to it. but that is THE lloyde england and his wife, and yes - they did file name changes less than a month prior to 9/11/2001.



22205	Jul 23 2009, 08:39 PM Post #52
Arlingtonian Posts: 443 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: 01/14/08	noeffects Jul 21 2009, 10:02 AM Shirley Temple ? seriously ? perhaps influenced by dali? j/k... source * Edited by 22205**, Jul 23 2009, 08:41 PM.



Craig Ranke CIT	Jul 23 2009, 11:49 PM Post #53
Posts: 1,435 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	tedscotland Jul 23 2009, 05:15 PM At no point does craig say that the government report says other wise, he just asks what are the chances that it was on the south side. I just wanted to know if craig showed him the official flight path showin the downed light poles? Yes I did as JFK pointed out. That was when he was "trying to maintain an even strain". He reacted like any honest person would. With frustration, anger, and disbelief.
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Craig Ranke CIT	Jul 23 2009, 11:52 PM Post #54
Posts: 1,435 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Flippy Jul 23 2009, 05:20 PM If it's been shown that Lloyd cannot be trusted (which I think you'd agree with) then perhaps we shouldn't trust the things he was saying to you while he thought he was off camera? Yes that would be a very fair and accurate conclusion that I agree with. Lloyde NEVER told the truth. I believe that part of his cover from day one was to come off as a conspiracy theorist. No doubt that was the entire point of the David Icke book that he claimed he read and had with him on 9/11 but was unable to cite a single detail from. He is not a conspiracy theorist nor is he an honest informant trying to get the truth out. He is a proven liar implicated by the evidence as deliberately involved in the physical execution of a black operation of mass murder. Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Jul 24 2009, 11:46 AM.
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Citizen Pawn	Jul 24 2009, 06:18 AM Post #55
Posts: 601 Group: Members Member #202 Joined: 01/24/08	How many times, in the 9/11 story..do I find myself saying : "Does anyone NOT find that the least suspicious?" Now, the moment I would PAY to see on camera is a question like "So hey Lloyd, have you and your wife ever attempted to change your names?" I would be interested in the reaction and reason given. Now it could all be coincidence. People change names for different reasons. Overdue debt, credit agencies hounding them, espionage, witness protection, just plain sick of their name, wanting a change, wanting to start over , etc. etc. etc. But two people, so close to a hiccup in the 9/11 story, and you start to wonder.
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tedscotland	Jul 24 2009, 09:37 AM Post #56
Posts: 46 Group: Members Member #851 Joined: 09/15/08	Craig Ranke CIT Jul 23 2009, 11:49 PM tedscotland Jul 23 2009, 05:15 PM At no point does craig say that the government report says other wise, he just asks what are the chances that it was on the south side. I just wanted to know if craig showed him the official flight path showin the downed light poles? Yes I did as JFK pointed out. That was when he was "trying to maintain an even strain". He reacted like any honest person would. With frustration, anger, and disbelief. Craig, in your new release national security alert there is no mention to Lagasse about the south side approach being the official story when you see him discussing it with you, however i have just watched the pentacon smoking gun film and you mention it there, my apologies. Why did you not include this whole bit in your new release, it is quite powerful. In this exchange Lagasse replies when you say the official report has it coming from the south "what official report? The only official report is the arlington district report" and then he says these light poles didnt get knocked down ( lloyds light pole) it was these and he points to them. My question is , is there an official arlington report that shows different light poles knocked down, and have you seen it? Before you answer (if you do) please be aware that i am not disputing your north side evidence. I am just curious to know what official report Lagasse is talking about.
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Craig Ranke CIT	Jul 24 2009, 11:01 AM Post #57
Posts: 1,435 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	tedscotland Jul 24 2009, 09:37 AM Why did you not include this whole bit in your new release, it is quite powerful. Strictly for conciseness, but yes I agree it is powerful. Funny how anonymous detractors use this as the sole excuse to dismiss Lagasse as "discredited" because he was wrong about the location of the poles. Obviously since he only remembers seeing a pole on the ground after he got to the scene he would assume they line up with where he saw the plane. Quote: My question is , is there an official arlington report that shows different light poles knocked down, and have you seen it? The Arlington County After Action report makes no mention of the light poles. There is no official report that documents the light poles. The ASCE Building Performance report makes a passing reference to them and incorrectly states that only 3 poles were downed. We filed FOIA's with the VDOT who, after much prying on our part, ultimately claimed that they only maintain 2 of the poles and the Pentagon controls the other 3. Is this a valid reason for the ASCE to claim that only 3 poles were downed? Hardly. Ultimately the VDOT even claimed that they have zero documentation for the replacement of the 2 poles that they admitted to controlling. Bottom line NO official report documents any specific details of the light poles so their exact location has been determined by independent researchers via photographic evidence. As shown in the National Security Alert, their location was only officially acknowledged by corporate proxy in the Integrated Consultants video. Quote: Before you answer (if you do) please be aware that i am not disputing your north side evidence. I am just curious to know what official report Lagasse is talking about. Haha, no problem! I can tell an honest question from an idiot trying to set up an attack.
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Craig Ranke CIT	Jul 24 2009, 11:06 AM Post #58
Posts: 1,435 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Oh it's here if you want to read it: Arlington Virginia After-Action Report
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Craig Ranke CIT	Jul 24 2009, 11:45 AM Post #59
Posts: 1,435 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Citizen Pawn Jul 24 2009, 06:18 AM I would be interested in the reaction and reason given. Now it could all be coincidence. People change names for different reasons. Overdue debt, credit agencies hounding them, espionage, witness protection, just plain sick of their name, wanting a change, wanting to start over , etc. etc. etc. Quote: But two people, so close to a hiccup in the 9/11 story, and you start to wonder. Exactly. Oh and that little fact that the evidence proves plane was on the north side adds to the fishiness of it all a bit.
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Flippy	Jul 24 2009, 12:12 PM Post #60
Posts: 573 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: 01/12/08	Ok, I know Bermas is tied to this board in some fashion. Why is he ignoring this presentation? I mean, he wanted all of us to watch his fabled enemies movie to give us information. To me it seems that with this topic you want to gather as much information as you can and weed out what you don't believe, rather than flat out ignore it. I doubt he's even watched the flick. I could understand the divisiveness in this movement with the no planers... but this is rock solid evidence backed by independent eye witnesses. I just don't understand why you would ignore this if you claim to be interested in the truth of 9/11.
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Craig Ranke CIT	Jul 24 2009, 01:18 PM Post #61
Posts: 1,435 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Good question. You should send him an email asking him.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Jul 24 2009, 02:05 PM Post #62
Posts: 1,642 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Flippy Jul 24 2009, 12:12 PM Ok, I know Bermas is tied to this board in some fashion. Why is he ignoring this presentation? I mean, he wanted all of us to watch his fabled enemies movie to give us information. To me it seems that with this topic you want to gather as much information as you can and weed out what you don't believe, rather than flat out ignore it. I doubt he's even watched the flick. I could understand the divisiveness in this movement with the no planers... but this is rock solid evidence backed by independent eye witnesses. I just don't understand why you would ignore this if you claim to be interested in the truth of 9/11. Great post Flippy. You have to ask that of a lot of people in the "movement". So much of it is because most are distracted with too many things or too many arguments. That in itself fragments us into different factions. That is not on accident in many cases of course. For some it is ego, for some it is their job. I strongly suggest you send Jason a message on his myspace or facebook as I am sure he will see that. "but this is rock solid evidence backed by independent eye witnesses." Absolutely, but more importantly this is rock solid evidence given by witnesses who didn't realize the implications of what they were telling us, did NOT and possibly still in some cases do not support an inside job conspiracy, and now are currently scared to talk, but may be willng to testify. This is what makes it even more palpable. This makes what we are sitting on a powder keg ready to explode. Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Jul 24 2009, 02:15 PM.
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Flippy	Jul 24 2009, 04:45 PM Post #63
Posts: 573 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: 01/12/08	It's not his FB or Myspace, but hopefully this will get his attention. http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/2013254/1/
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Flippy	Jul 25 2009, 01:22 AM Post #64
Posts: 573 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: 01/12/08	Well, I wrote up a long post. I deleted it. As many of you know I've been questioning AJ and his sidekicks for some time. I'm not really surprised that they are ignoring this. This was the nicest way I could express my true opinion. Maybe Mark Dice will post here... Don't hold you're fuckin' breath.
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Lin Kuei	Jul 25 2009, 09:40 AM Post #65
Posts: 1,293 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: 12/22/07	Flippy Jul 24 2009, 12:12 PM Ok, I know Bermas is tied to this board in some fashion. Actually he's not. He has nothing to do with the running of these forums, or the entities behind the current, upcoming Loose Change. I have no idea whether he still peruses these boards or not.
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Flippy	Jul 25 2009, 10:47 AM Post #66
Posts: 573 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: 01/12/08	Lin Kuei Jul 25 2009, 09:40 AM Flippy Jul 24 2009, 12:12 PM Ok, I know Bermas is tied to this board in some fashion. Actually he's not. He has nothing to do with the running of these forums, or the entities behind the current, upcoming Loose Change. I have no idea whether he still peruses these boards or not. Apparently co-hosting AJ's show is all you need to do to be a truther now days. Forget pursuing the truth... pshaw. I'm on the radio and need not worry about new evidence.
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