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| New short highlighting Lloyde's virtual admission; excerpts from "National Security Alert" | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 30 2009, 02:47 PM (1,712 Views) | |
| Craig Ranke CIT | May 11 2009, 11:12 PM Post #26 |
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Little reminder for the hacked loogie:    Hey wow he DID take pictures of the cab and pole "up on the bridge" exactly like Lloyde said! Hey wow that DOES prove that Lloyde knew he was "up on the bridge" and deliberately lied about being on the north side once the camera started! Gee whiz. Of course I'm still dying to see this "other bridge" that you are talking about where Lloyde was supposedly REALLY located!!!! A phantom bridge. Ooooooooo spooooooookey! Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, May 11 2009, 11:15 PM.
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| mike_abcd | May 12 2009, 12:24 AM Post #27 |
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sorry off topic- i just saw the 'over the navy annex' video eyewitness terry. http://www.thepentacon.com/ona.htm its amazing how he says no freaking way the plane is on the south side. another independant eyewitness! great job cit guys! |
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| Craig Ranke CIT | May 12 2009, 01:27 AM Post #28 |
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Actually it's "no frippin way"! Haha. Yeah his account is crucial and proves Edward and everyone else correct. Thanks man. |
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| biscuit cough | May 12 2009, 09:10 PM Post #29 |
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No noeffects, read it again: the "it" he is refering to is the spin CIT is applying to his eyewitness testimony of some of the events around the Pentagon on 9/11. |
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| biscuit cough | May 12 2009, 09:13 PM Post #30 |
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Well Craig, here's a picture showing the many bridges/overpasses in the area:  Take a close look at it, and then go re-read what I said. I wasn't talking about some secret bridge Lloyde's car was on. I was talking about other bridges his neighbor could have been on. Most likely, he was up on the 395 bridge just south of Lloyde's car. At least, that's what I figure.
Hey Craig, maybe go back and check out the rules:
At what point did Lloyde say his neighbor took pictures of the light pole and cab from up on the bridge? He says his neighbor was "up on the bridge." And he says he took pictures of the pole and the car. Also, if you could, please, post an overhead showing where on the bridge you believe his neighbor was standing to get that perspective of Lloyde's car and the Pentagon. bc Edited by biscuit cough, May 12 2009, 09:37 PM.
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| Lin Kuei | May 12 2009, 11:06 PM Post #31 |
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Hey biscuit cough - I see right now you are lurking in another thread under another username! Why do you need multiple user accounts? We don't need that here. You can go. |
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| Craig Ranke CIT | May 13 2009, 02:30 AM Post #32 |
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Excellent decision Lin Kuei. I've dealt with this intellectually dishonest clown and his alter-ego "stinkey puh" too much already to know that he is up to no good. But I'll quickly address this nonsense claim for anyone who might come across this foolish post.
You just quoted him! Yes he said he was up on the bridge and took pictures of the pole and car. Exactly...meaning the pole and car were on the bridge where he took pictures. He could not have been more clear and since we actually obtained the pictures of the car in the exact same place as it always was, just south of the bridge, we have photographic PROOF this is what he meant.
Wow. Clearly you have never been to the area and have no clue what you are talking about. A person on ANY of those major highway bridges would be not be visible from Lloyde's location at all and they would be in their car anyway. Lloyde claims he didn't even know the guy on 9/11 so the notion that he spotted this perfect stranger in his car way the hell up on 395 before the guy somehow magically ended up on route 27 during all the chaos or after it was blocked off is a 100% impossible and a literally insane assertion. The desperation in this pathetic convoluted and ridiculously idiotic spin job is amazing. Thank YOU for getting rid of this guy Lin Kuei. Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, May 13 2009, 02:36 AM.
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| Craig Ranke CIT | May 13 2009, 03:00 AM Post #33 |
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And just so no other people desperate for spin try to take this argument good ole' google street view puts it to rest showing how there is NO WAY that Lloyde could see ANYONE up on the 395 overpass. None of the other bridges circled by "biscuit cough" are visible from route 27 at all let alone being able to spot someone up there. And as Lloyde knew, the pictures were taken where the cab was......route 27 just south of the bridge. This pathetic argument will fool nobody. |
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| biscuit cough1 | May 13 2009, 11:20 AM Post #34 |
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Hey Lin, I think you must be talking about my neighbor Stinkey Puh. He's a good friend of mine, and together we have done much research into 9/11. Contrary to what you ASS-U-ME, we are indeed two different people connected to the internet using the same access point. In fact, we're on the same network. This was covered several months ago: http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/577603/1/. I've talked to Stinkey about it and he says he probably still has PMs from JFK about it. Please take a look at all the evidence. Hopefully you'll restore our accounts. bc |
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| biscuit cough1 | May 13 2009, 11:20 AM Post #35 |
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Okay, so where on the bridge do you think his neighbor was standing when he took the pictures to get that perspective of the pole, the car, and the Pentagon?
But Craig, Lloyde never said his neighbor was visible to him. He said his neighbor was "up on the bridge." What bridge was he on and when was he on it? When he took the pictures? Nowhere in Lloyde's account does it require that his neighbor be visible to Lloyde when he (his neighbor) was "up on the bridge." It would appear from the pictures that his neighbor was probably visible to Lloyde when he took those pictures. Now, how did Lloyde know his neighbor was up on the bridge if he didn't see him on the bridge? Maybe his neighbor told him. I don't know. The interviewer never asked him. From the interview we have, the timing of his neighbor's approach to him is unclear. Was it on 9/11 or later? He just said "he approached me." So I ask you again: where, on what bridge, do you think his neighbor was standing when he took those pictures? (An overhead view would be helpful.) bc |
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| Lin Kuei | May 13 2009, 12:01 PM Post #36 |
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How naive do you really think we are? in any case you can take your trolling somewhere else. |
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| Craig Ranke CIT | May 13 2009, 12:38 PM Post #37 |
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1. When he let it slip that his neighbor was "on the bridge" taking pictures of the car and the pole it was BEFORE the interview started and BEFORE he knew he was being recorded. I was not "interviewing" him yet so he hadn't started the lie about being on the north side yet either. Since I already KNEW he was on the south side I thought nothing of it when he said his neighbor was on the bridge taking pictures so I never even noticed that the slip was there until going over the recordings days later. 2. There is not a conceivable scenario as to why Lloyde would reference his neighbor way the hell up on 395 which, if he WAS on that bridge, would have him past the route 27 exit and already crossing the river on the 14th street bridge to DC. There is NO WAY he would have been able to get on route 27 from there on 9/11 after the attack that we know for a fact had been immediately blocked. Plus he would have had to exit the highway on the other side of the river and turn in around in downtown DC traffic during all the chaos in order to go the opposite direction, and cross the river again to get on the exit to route 27 from the other direction....which would be impossible anyway since it was blocked! Furthermore we know there is no way Lloyde could possibly have SEEN him up there anyway so there is no reason on earth that this is where Lloyde would remember him. Since Lloyde WAS on the route 27 bridge as was the cab and the pole which WAS in FACT where the neighbor DID take pictures it's quite obvious that this was the bridge Lloyde was talking about. Was the car a little bit south of the bridge? Yes. Was the neighbor a little bit south of the bridge when he took the images he gave us? Clearly. But as everyone can hear and see Lloyde saying over and over and over, he claims that he, his cab, the pole, and the entire scene was way NORTH of that and specifically says NOT on the bridge proving he lied.  That's why when he sees the images of the cab a little bit south of the bridge he sticks to his lie by saying he wasn't there and that he was under the north path. He doesn't say....oh yeah well see I was a little bit south of the bridge, not directly on it, which would have been a fair and honest response. But the fact that he used the bridge as reference for where the neighbor was taking pictures before he knew he was being recorded and then steadfastly denied he was anywhere near the bridge when the camera started is PROOF that he deliberately lied. Lloyde virtually admitted involvement, his wife works for the FBI and flat out agreed with me that the plane kept on going. The plane was on the north side proving it did not hit the poles. Lloyde's account is physically impossible. The physical damage to the poles themselves is extremely dubious. The notion that the David Icke book that Lloyde supposedly read and had with him on 9/11, but could not cite one detail from, is merely a "coincidence" strains credulity beyond imagination. All of that yet here you are working over-time to cast doubt and confuse people which has been your ONLY actions EVER within the context of your "9/11 truth" participation, solely focused on CIT. That is suspect and subversive behavior and it alone exposes you as dishonest. No honest person who claims they support the north side evidence would dedicate their entire online existence to arguing with CIT against a flyover and for the veracity/legitimacy of Lloyde England's account. Admins, PLEASE re-ban this guy. As he has shown himself to be nothing but a disruptor/obfuscator in the past. The last thing we need is yet another layer of disinfo clouding this critical and sensitive information that is now FINALLY getting a bit of the attention it deserves. Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, May 13 2009, 12:47 PM.
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| Craig Ranke CIT | May 13 2009, 12:41 PM Post #38 |
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Awesome man, thank you so much. You are definitely doing the right thing for all the right reasons. I am only responding to make sure this disinfo is completely nipped in the bud right off the bat but believe me the prospect of untangling this guy's web of spin for days is an utter nightmare. I am WAY too busy for that and have some big things to finish up. |
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| mike_abcd | May 14 2009, 02:17 AM Post #39 |
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biscuit could be a JdumBER! I mean a JduFFER! Edited by mike_abcd, May 14 2009, 02:18 AM.
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| 22205 | Jul 21 2009, 01:11 AM Post #40 |
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lloyde england officially changed his name less than a month prior to 9/11:  a name he's had for over 70 years, changed within weeks of 9/11/2001, coincedence right? but then his wife officially changed her's less than 4 days (2 business days) prior to 9/11. first an example establishing his wife's name:  and here on 9/7/2001, she changed her name back to what it had been in 2004:   |
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| noeffects | Jul 21 2009, 08:07 AM Post #41 |
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WTF !..Damn 22205 ...nice find...!!! Oh yea...he is just an innocent old man...sure...something is awry ! |
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| noeffects | Jul 21 2009, 08:18 AM Post #42 |
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Hmmm indeed...There is going to be one hell of an explanation coming ...lol... "see the thing you got to understand is that this is for the people with all the money and they made me change my name ..." "Davis Icke was after me" ... |
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| Craig Ranke CIT | Jul 21 2009, 09:19 AM Post #43 |
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Wow good stuff. Particularly strange since Lloyde told me he didn't marry her until after 9/11 and Shirley told me she was living somewhere else at the time. |
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| noeffects | Jul 21 2009, 10:02 AM Post #44 |
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Shirley Temple ? seriously ? |
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| tedscotland | Jul 23 2009, 04:34 PM Post #45 |
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Craig, i have watched your pentagon presentations and found them extremely interesting. I would like to ask if after interviewing sgt Lagasse you pointed out the official flight path and the area of downed light poles? If you did what was his reaction? |
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| JFK | Jul 23 2009, 04:40 PM Post #46 |
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If you indeed watched that presentation, why are you asking that question as the issue is addressed within the presentation. 
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| tedscotland | Jul 23 2009, 05:15 PM Post #47 |
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whats with the snide blue face? Maybe i didnt word the question right. Lagasse is asked what are the chances he is mistaken and he says there is no way, and he would bet his life on it, round about the 28 to 31 minute mark. At no point does craig say that the government report says other wise, he just asks what are the chances that it was on the south side. I just wanted to know if craig showed him the official flight path showin the downed light poles? |
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| Flippy | Jul 23 2009, 05:20 PM Post #48 |
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Craig, thanks for taking this part out of the video for the ADD people out there. I think this was the most important part of your film. I do want to play a little bit of devils advocate and be nice to me please! :-) If it's been shown that Lloyd cannot be trusted (which I think you'd agree with) then perhaps we shouldn't trust the things he was saying to you while he thought he was off camera? Either way, this seems to be the key to the proverbial pandoras box of 9/11. |
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| JFK | Jul 23 2009, 06:20 PM Post #49 |
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Watch it again and listen for Lagasse to utter the words "official story"... Particulary the tone in which he uttered those words. IMO that is why Craig didn't push it, and quite frankly I wouldn't have either had I been in Craig's shoes. |
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| Citizen Pawn | Jul 23 2009, 08:01 PM Post #50 |
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Wait a damn second... Lloyd and his wife tried to..or did...change their names right before 9/11? Could this stuff get any weirder??? We sure it's the same Lloyd? Same wife? |
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