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New short highlighting Lloyde's virtual admission; excerpts from "National Security Alert"
Topic Started: Apr 30 2009, 02:47 PM (1,724 Views)
Craig Ranke CIT	Apr 30 2009, 02:47 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,435 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Lloyde's damning admission seems to fly right over most people so I threw this together to highlight it: View here: http://www.vimeo.com/4414453 Or here: He in essence admitted it was a "planned" event by the people with "all the money" and that he had to go along with it because it was "too big" for him to be able to do anything about it. He admitted this with a smile on his face and a sort of wink and nudge while trying to distance himself from the planners by stressing how he is a "small man". Here is the damning virtual confession as seen in the video. I call it a "virtual confession" because he basically admits involvement while maintaining innocence. This was said while we were in the car on the way to go see his cab: Quote: Lloyde England: This is too big for me man, this is a big thing. Man you know this is a world thing happening, I'm a small man. My lifestyle is completely different from this. I'm not supposed to be involved in this. This is for other people. People who have money and all this kind of stuff. Craig Ranke: Well you said, well wait a minute, what do you mean? Lloyde: Well I'm not supposed to be involved with this, I don't have nothing. Craig: So is your point that these people who have all the money.... Lloyde: This is their thing. Craig: This is their event? Lloyde: This is for them. Craig: Meaning that they're doing it for their own reasons. Lloyde: That's right. I'm not supposed to be in it. Craig: But they used you right? Lloyde: I'm in it. Craig: You're in it. Lloyde (with a broad smile): We came across the highway together. Craig: You and their event. Lloyde: That's right. Craig: But they must have planned that. Lloyde: It was planned. Note how he specifically describes himself as having a small lifestyle which is obviously what separates him from the planners. And here he explained how he was powerless to stop the operation because it wasn't caught in the beginning: Quote: One thing about it you got to understand something, when people do things and get away with it, you, eventually it's going to come to me, and when it comes to me it's going to be so big I can't do nothin about it. Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Apr 30 2009, 03:31 PM.
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Avenger	Apr 30 2009, 05:52 PM Post #2
Posts: 563 Group: Members Member #17 Joined: 01/14/08	Still don't have internet access of my own. Still logging on from library computers which don't allow you to watch Youtube, so forgive me for asking these stupid questions. So, he really said this? Quote: We came across the highway together. And this? Quote: It was planned. Because, obviously, you would not plan to rendevous with a plane flying 20 to 30 feet off the ground at over 500 miles an hour, so it can hit a light pole in a way that defies physics, so it can spear your cab in a way that could only be possible in cartoonland. The planned event would obviously have to be a staged event. Couldn't possibly be anything else.
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Craig Ranke CIT	Apr 30 2009, 06:08 PM Post #3
Posts: 1,435 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Yes he said this. However when I pressed him further he refused to admit that they specifically planned to have him there. He was trying to make it seem like they simply used him to sell a false story but that he had no control over it and was only involved by chance. Naturally that doesn't make sense given the evidence and he is clearly not afraid or ashamed of his participation in the event.
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Bitterman	Apr 30 2009, 11:55 PM Post #4
Posts: 324 Group: Members Member #284 Joined: 02/07/08	Not ashamed of his participation? What has he said that makes you think that? Just an honest question, only because I think I would be very upset (understatement) if I were aware that I had been used in this way. So does that mean you think he's aware and kinda "OK" with what he's done and said? Like he's still actively participating?
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Craig Ranke CIT	May 1 2009, 12:33 AM Post #5
Posts: 1,435 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Bitterman Apr 30 2009, 11:55 PM So does that mean you think he's aware and kinda "OK" with what he's done and said? Like he's still actively participating? I'd say his actions and eager participation in the propaganda to sell the official story since the event makes that rather clear.
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Bitterman	May 1 2009, 12:47 AM Post #6
Posts: 324 Group: Members Member #284 Joined: 02/07/08	Wow, interesting. I guess I can't understand what he has to gain from any of this. He's still in his small home. He hasn't really been "bought" at all. Friggin' amazing what we're dealing with here. This should be in a movie. That's likely why few people can really come to grips with this. It should be relegated to film only, not real life. Back to real life.....if I ever get to meet the people who thought of this....... POW! RIGHT IN THE KISSER! POW! RIGHT IN THE KISSER! POW! RIGHT IN THE KISSER!
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Avenger	May 1 2009, 05:53 PM Post #7
Posts: 563 Group: Members Member #17 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: Wow, interesting. I guess I can't understand what he has to gain from any of this. He's still in his small home. He hasn't really been "bought" at all. Just speculation, but, maybe it's not what he would have to gain by participating, but what he would have to lose by not participating. But, whose to say that he didn't actually gain anything? Maybe he was up to his ears in debt or something. Still, I really do tend to believe that he sees himself as a small fish swimming with sharks. Maybe he's swam with them long enough to gain a sick sort of fascination for them. Maybe he has some sick sort of pride in swimming with the sharks. Just speculation, though. Quote: However when I pressed him further he refused to admit that they specifically planned to have him there. He was trying to make it seem like they simply used him to sell a false story but that he had no control over it and was only involved by chance. Yeah, they didn't plan to have him there, but, his story sorta requires him to be there.
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Bernie big shorts	May 1 2009, 07:13 PM Post #8
Posts: 224 Group: Members Member #287 Joined: 02/07/08	Craig, Quote: He in essence admitted it was a "planned" event by the people with "all the money" and that he had to go along with it because it was "too big" for him to be able to do anything about it. This is not a damning admission of any sort. The fact that he is speculating about the plotters wealth and his relative insignificance in the event is in no way an admission of anything. Quote: He admitted this with a smile on his face and a sort of wink and nudge while trying to distance himself from the planners by stressing how he is a "small man". What you detected as a ‘sort of wink and a nudge’ was him passing you some sage advice. In my opinion he seemed to be saying that he’s a small man in this catastrophic event, he doesn’t know who the planners were, but he’s a tiny part of the story, this huge event collided with his small world over the highway and that’s all there is to it. Quote: Here is the damning virtual confession as seen in the video. I call it a "virtual confession" because he basically admits involvement while maintaining innocence. This is sounding dangerously like a witch trial - ‘if she sinks she’s a witch’. Are you really suggesting that if he maintains innocence it is a virtual confession? You need to take a step back and reconsider this. It is absolute folly. You are running an extremely dangerous path here, it will be very easy for people to accuse you of ‘virtual harassment’ if you pursue this line. Quote: Note how he specifically describes himself as having a small lifestyle which is obviously what separates him from the planners. It most certainly does, whether the planners were a cabal of evil neo-con overlords or they were a cabal of evil international jihadist terrorists, his lifestyle is very different from these people. What’s your point? Quote: And here he explained how he was powerless to stop the operation because it wasn't caught in the beginning: One thing about it you got to understand something, when people do things and get away with it, you, eventually it's going to come to me, and when it comes to me it's going to be so big I can't do nothin about it. It doesn’t matter if when he says ‘people do things and get away with it’ he is referring to Bin Laden or Dick Cheney, he’s saying that when ‘you’ come to him regarding the event there’s nothing he can do about it, it’s a colossus event on such a scale that its beyond him.
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Craig Ranke CIT	May 1 2009, 09:09 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,435 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Bernie big shorts May 1 2009, 07:13 PM This is not a damning admission of any sort. The fact that he is speculating about the plotters wealth and his relative insignificance in the event is in no way an admission of anything. It doesn’t matter if when he says ‘people do things and get away with it’ he is referring to Bin Laden or Dick Cheney, he’s saying that when ‘you’ come to him regarding the event there’s nothing he can do about it, it’s a colossus event on such a scale that its beyond him. You can live in denial all you want but to intellectually honest people who watch and listen to him say this with a broad smile on his face in context of all the details surrounding this man's physically impossible story it is perfectly clear that he is not referring to rag tag Muslims and bin laden as the ones who have "all the money" and planned the event. Apparently you forgot the fact that in our 2006 interview Lloyde flat out expressed doubt that the plane caused the hole. Furthermore it's well known that he had a David Icke book in his car on 9/11. Plus if you had viewed the full interviews in the presentation "Eye of the Storm" you would understand how some of these statements were made during an off the cuff conversation where his FBI employee wife would flat out AGREE with me that the plane "did not hit the Pentagon and kept on going". You can ignore this context and pretend that it's all just a wild coincidence that this absolutely critical witness in the most controversial, dubious, and physically questionable scene during the most controversial, dubious, and physically questionable part of the 9/11 event along with his FBI employee wife just so happen to be both be hard-core conspiracy theorists even regarding this very event with which they are so intimately and directly involved. Clearly they don't fit the typical profile or demographic for David Icke stuff. It's also notable how, although he claimed he read it, he could not repeat a single detail from the book when I asked. Yet here you are supposedly a rationalist/critical thinker actually blowing off all these things as mere coincidences (or simply blowing them off) despite knowing the extreme and ultimate make or break importance of his beyond suspicious account and the ridiculous levels of confirmation we have for a north side approach. I bet your denial runs so deep that you won't even admit that his account is suspicious! But it's beyond suspicious it is physically impossible and PROVEN false by all the other witnesses. You are forced to blindly accept his beyond implausible story and completely blow off all these contradictions and questions as coincidences in order to hold on to the official fantasy. I would hate to have to deal with such psychological schizophrenia. But don't worry...I have the cure.......accept the evidence, face the obvious truth, and join the fight for justice and peace. Thanks. Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, May 1 2009, 09:14 PM.
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Bitterman	May 1 2009, 09:11 PM Post #10
Posts: 324 Group: Members Member #284 Joined: 02/07/08	BBS.....with all of what Lloyd has said, you pass of all of it like it means nothing. It's not just mere coincidence that he says one thing on camera and another when he thinks he's off camera. There is no witch trial, there is no harm in pointing out that he is either REALLY saying that he knows whats gone on, and he's just trying to slip through unnoticed or he has gone out of his way to make people believe that he's caught in the middle and can't do anything about it. One admits his potential guilt and the other his acknowledgment that he was forced or coerced into it. Why else would someone say something like that? You don't say something like that without forethought and understanding of the position he's in. It fits one way or another, you can't just ignore it. How do you know, I mean, really KNOW.....that when says "people are getting away with it"......that he's speaking about Cheney or OBL? Really, how can you speak for him? Again, you reduce his comments to something that should be ignored. The comments have been made, they are not entirely critical, but for this situation, it means that he has thought things over. Especially since Craig has come to him and challenged his story and had it reversed on him. Its not something you can just toss aside and say "yeah, nothing important here". He's thought enough ahead to cover up something willingly or otherwise. Whatever you'd like to think, I believe you did say its all just your opinion so its about as important as my comments as well. You shouldn't be speaking for people or trying to dissuade people for looking into his comments. They fit perfectly for what is going on, in either way Lloyd means them.
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Craig Ranke CIT	May 1 2009, 09:46 PM Post #11
Posts: 1,435 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Bitterman May 1 2009, 09:11 PM BBS.....with all of what Lloyd has said, you pass of all of it like it means nothing. It's not just mere coincidence that he says one thing on camera and another when he thinks he's off camera. There is no witch trial, there is no harm in pointing out that he is either REALLY saying that he knows whats gone on, and he's just trying to slip through unnoticed or he has gone out of his way to make people believe that he's caught in the middle and can't do anything about it. One admits his potential guilt and the other his acknowledgment that he was forced or coerced into it. Why else would someone say something like that? You don't say something like that without forethought and understanding of the position he's in. It fits one way or another, you can't just ignore it. How do you know, I mean, really KNOW.....that when says "people are getting away with it"......that he's speaking about Cheney or OBL? Really, how can you speak for him? Again, you reduce his comments to something that should be ignored. The comments have been made, they are not entirely critical, but for this situation, it means that he has thought things over. Especially since Craig has come to him and challenged his story and had it reversed on him. Its not something you can just toss aside and say "yeah, nothing important here". He's thought enough ahead to cover up something willingly or otherwise. Whatever you'd like to think, I believe you did say its all just your opinion so its about as important as my comments as well. You shouldn't be speaking for people or trying to dissuade people for looking into his comments. They fit perfectly for what is going on, in either way Lloyd means them. Very very well said Bitterman. We have NEVER blamed Lloyde. We have ALWAYS said that he could be a victim of sorts and this has NEVER been a "witch-hunt" of any sort. We simply keep trying to get people to focus on the clear IMPLICATIONS of this 100% critical account that is so questionable and dubious on its face. These IMPLICATIONS are what is so important here particularly given the overwhelming confirmation we have for a north side approach. No honest skeptic can blow off evidence so strong as coincidence or merely a strange anomaly.
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Miragememories	May 2 2009, 07:06 AM Post #12
Posts: 750 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	You might give this post more consideration as well Bernie Big Shorts. http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=226145&t=1560952 MM
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Domenick DiMaggio	May 2 2009, 11:06 AM Post #13
Posts: 1,966 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Bernie big shorts May 1 2009, 07:13 PM This is not a damning admission of any sort. well this sure as hell is..... Quote: One thing about it you got to understand something, when people do things and get away with it, you, eventually it's going to come to me, and when it comes to me it's going to be so big I can't do nothin about it.
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Avenger	May 2 2009, 05:51 PM Post #14
Posts: 563 Group: Members Member #17 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: This is not a damning admission of any sort. The fact that he is speculating about the plotters wealth and his relative insignificance in the event is in no way an admission of anything. He did say that he was in it after Craig asked him if they used him. He didn't say, 'Nobody used me. What are you talking about?' In other words, he didn't deny being used. Also, I'm not clear on why he would refer to highjackers as people with money and stuff, instead of just referring to them as highjackers. And by the way, I do agree with Dimaggio about that last statement. Quote: One thing about it you got to understand something, when people do things and get away with it, you, eventually it's going to come to me, and when it comes to me it's going to be so big I can't do nothin about it. Definitely a damning admission.
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Bitterman	May 2 2009, 11:48 PM Post #15
Posts: 324 Group: Members Member #284 Joined: 02/07/08	That's a good call Avenger. If its definitely was terrorists, and there was no question about, he definitely would not say anything about people "with money". The event is not for the terrorists to gain money and power. Obviously, its for someone else. That is clear. It may not be full admittance of guilt, but he's saying the next best thing. He's thought about it.
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MIHOP	May 7 2009, 05:31 PM Post #16
Posts: 4 Group: Members Member #917 Joined: 11/02/08	My friend just told me that he was listening to the Alex Jones show today and Bermas was hosting, and someone called in and asked him about The PentaCon. Just like last time he said he doesn't believe in the flyover "theory". I haven't heard this yet myself, but the rebroadcast is currently on. He said it's around the last half hour or hour, which means it should be on between 7pm and 8pm EST. We need to keep the pressure on Bermas to pay attention to this info. Edited by MIHOP, May 7 2009, 05:56 PM.
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Miragememories	May 8 2009, 06:33 AM Post #17
Posts: 750 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	If it is true that Bermas doesn't agree with the flyover, then he's doing the work of many 9/11 Truth supporters and researchers a great disservice if he doesn't carefully explain his position. MM
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Craig Ranke CIT	May 8 2009, 09:54 AM Post #18
Posts: 1,435 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Oh it's true. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldzu-ktu4fM But what's clear that he has NOT seen the evidence. He doesn't even remember Brooks' and Lagasse's names and I am quite sure he is completely oblivious to the ANC witnesses, our follow up interview with Lloyde, and of course the first flyover account from Roosevelt Roberts and the 2nd hand flyover report from Erik Dihle.
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noeffects	May 9 2009, 02:27 AM Post #19
Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	hey Craig... they had this to say about things involved on GodlikeProductions forum,,,pinned and everything..Mind Boggling Video From Cab Driver! Quote This is a fun forum to check out anyway...mega attitude...
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noeffects	May 9 2009, 02:30 AM Post #20
Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	lol i have no idea why that post came out like that ..oh well.. figure it out you got the link
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Aldo Marquis CIT	May 11 2009, 10:52 AM Post #21
Posts: 1,642 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	EDIT-DUP POST Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, May 11 2009, 10:54 AM.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	May 11 2009, 10:52 AM Post #22
Posts: 1,642 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: hey Craig... they had this to say about things involved on GodlikeProductions forum,,,pinned and everything..Mind Boggling Video From ...a attitude... Pretty sick. Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, May 11 2009, 10:53 AM.
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biscuit cough	May 11 2009, 09:06 PM Post #23
Posts: 6 Group: BANNED! Member #743 Joined: 07/16/08	Craig Ranke (from the video) Regardless of Lloyde's true level of involvement, the independent evidence for a north side approach proves the cab and light pole scene staged, and that the plane did not hit the Pentagon. Wow Craig, you're still trying to use that, huh! We tried to cover that last year on your forum before you transparently banned me. This whole thing is really kind of silly. When Lloyde says ". . .and when it comes to me it's going to be so big I can't do nothin about it. . ." the "it" he is refering to is the spin CIT is applying to his eyewitness testimony of some of the events around the Pentagon on 9/11. Lloyde graciously spent hours interviewing with you, and it's clear to anyone who will candidly view the film, he was confused by some of the pictures you showed him. Furthermore, why do you continue to insist that the "bridge" his neighbor was on was the same bridge his car was on? He never said it was. If you look at a map of that area you will see that there are many "bridges" or overpasses. Why didn't you clarify with him what bridge he meant? And if his neighbor was on the same bridge as Lloyde, why did he have to "approach" him? These details and others should be clarified before you damn Lloyde. bc
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noeffects	May 11 2009, 09:46 PM Post #24
Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	Quote: This whole thing is really kind of silly. When Lloyde says ". . .and when it comes to me it's going to be so big I can't do nothin about it. . ." the "it" he is refering to is the spin CIT is applying to his eyewitness testimony of some of the events around the Pentagon on 9/11. Oh... you mean CIT..."The people with all the money and stuff"... lolz...Oh yeah! this event was for them (rolls eyes 360 degrees)...damn you Craig...you're so big ain't nothin Lloyd can do about it...
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Craig Ranke CIT	May 11 2009, 10:39 PM Post #25
Posts: 1,435 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	biscuit cough May 11 2009, 09:06 PM Furthermore, why do you continue to insist that the "bridge" his neighbor was on was the same bridge his car was on? He never said it was. If you look at a map of that area you will see that there are many "bridges" or overpasses. Why didn't you clarify with him what bridge he meant? And if his neighbor was on the same bridge as Lloyde, why did he have to "approach" him? These details and others should be clarified before you damn Lloyde. Wrong liar there is only one bridge on route 27 and Lloyde SPECIFICALLY said that the neighbor took pictures of the light pole and cab from up on the bridge (as proven true by the images. did you forget that we got the images from the neighbor?) minutes before the on-camera interview started and he deliberately lied by switching his position. His account is physically impossible and proven false. You came back in a desperate attempt to further cast doubt since this is getting so much attention all of the sudden. Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, May 11 2009, 10:52 PM.
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