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United 93 Still Airborne After Alleged Crash; Pilots for 911 Truth
Topic Started: Apr 28 2009, 11:30 PM (1,534 Views)
Domenick DiMaggio

Pilots for 911 Truth

United 93 Still Airborne After Alleged Crash - According To ATC/Radar
 



04/28/09 (PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Recently it has been brought to our attention that Air Traffic Control (ATC) transcripts reveal United 93 as being airborne after it's alleged crash. Similar scenarios have been offered with regard to American 77 and American 11 showing an aircraft target continuing past its alleged crash point in the case of American 11, or past the turn-around point in the case of American 77. However, both these issues can be easily explained by "Coast Mode" radar tracking. This is not the case with United 93.

Radar Coast Mode activates when a transponder is inoperative (or turned off) and primary radar tracking is lost, which enables ATC to have some sort of reference of the flight after losing radar coverage of the physical aircraft. When an aircraft target enters "Coast Mode", ATC is alerted in the form of a blue tag on the target as well as the tag letters switching to CST. ATC will readily recognize when an aircraft enters "Coast Mode".

According to National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Flight Path Study, United 93 allegedly impacted the ground at 10:03am, September 11, 2001. The following transcript excerpts are provided by the Federal Aviation Administration. It is a conversation between Air Traffic Control System Command Center - East, Management Officers (ntmo-e) and other various facilities. The conversation is as follows in real time:

(relevant portions have been placed in bold)



1405 (10:05 a.m.)

ntmo-e: ok united ninety three we're now receiving a transponder on and he is at eighty two hundred feet

doug: now transponder and he's eighty two-hundred

ntmo-e: southeastbound still

doug: eighty two hundred feet and now getting a transponder on him


ntmo-e: correct

doug: ok buddy

10:06

ntmo-e: ok we've lost radar contact with united ninety three
doug: all right


10:07

ntmo-e: sixteen south of Johnstown where they lost united ninety three and it was heading turning one four zero heading

doug: which will put him to what do you think

ntmo-e: uh I guess that put him down coming right just west of Dulles

doug: ok

ntmo-e: if he stays on that heading of course

doug: how we doing John with getting stuff on the ground

ntmo-e: uh we're they 're not they 're still going to their original destinations if you look at TSD you'll see that the eastern part of the unites states is thinning out

doug: ok

ntmo-e: uh you know airports like dulles uh new york there we have no aircraft going into there

doug: ok

10:08

ntmo-e: ok uh there is now on the on united ninety three

doug: yes

ntmo-e: there is now a report of black smoke in the last position I gave you fifteen miles of Johnstown

doug: from the airplane or from the ground

ntmo-e: uh they're speculating it's from the aircraft

doug: ok bud

ntmo-e: uh who hit the ground that's what they're speculation it's speculation only

doug: ok

10:10

doug: hey john

ntmo-e: yes

doug: do we have anything on delta nineteen eighty nine is she still heading to cleveland?

ntmo-e: delta nineteen eighty nine was returning to Cleveland and they were no longer treating it like a hijacked aircraft

doug: ok

ntmo-e: I don't know if he's landed ok; the last position of united I'm going to give some coordinates united ninety three

doug: yes

ntmo-e: three nine five one north zero seven eight four six west


doug: zero seven eight four six

ntmo-e: west

doug: west

doug: all right

ntmo-e: you got the thirty nine fifty one north

doug: ya thirty nine fifty one north zero seven eighty four six west

ntmo-e: that's the last known position of united ninety three



Full Transcript Here

United 93 transponder is recognized by Air Traffic Control as airborne after alleged impact time. Some have made the excuse this is due to Coast Mode tracking. ATC did not recognize any signs of CST (Coast Mode). Further confirmation that this was not any type of "Coast Mode" is that ATC also recognized United 93 reporting an altitude. The only way ATC could observe a reported altitude is if United 93 were squawking Mode C on the transponder, which means altitude reporting capability. Further confirmation comes in the form of latitude and longitude positions reported by ATC. N39 51 - W78 46 were reported as the last known radar position of United 93. It is unclear if the position is reported as Degrees, Minutes or Decimal, however, standard aviation terminology is in Degrees, Minutes. With that said, both positions are well past the alleged United 93 Crash site.

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It is impossible for ATC to have observed United 93 transponder and altitude after the reported impact time and southeast of the crash site, if United 93 did in fact crash in Shanksville as the 9/11 Commission would have you believe.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has analyzed Flight Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). The data does not support observed events. See Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Three - Flight Of United 93 for full in depth analysis of United 93 Flight Data Recorder (Black Box) data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

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Comments? Discuss this article here
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=17064

Other Articles Of Interest:

Conflicting Data, Hardcore Questions and the Media Blackout
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/media_blackout022908.html

United 93 Press Release
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/UA93_Press_Release.html

Special thanks to "woody" for alerting us to this issue.
Edited by Domenick DiMaggio, Apr 28 2009, 11:33 PM.
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swingdangler

I posted this same question to Woody over at the Pilots thread. So here is the same to you:

This comment is from Marr about UAL 93 is

QUOTE
Marr told Commission staff that his focus was on UAL 93, which was circling
over Chicago. Marr thought UAL 93 was waiting for word over what had been happening
across the country to begin its attack.
-source: 9/11 Comm. Memo

Is this UAL 93:

a. A blip insert.

b. Your second plane, ie. the swap plane.

c. The official plane


The memo is not clear on what time this cause for concern took place. As the story goes, the official plane doesn't leave Cleveland airspace so we can rule out C. We can't confirm or deny A. We know there were blip inserts just not where and exactly when. Could there have been a typo and they meant Cleveland? That is a pretty huge mistake but it would fit within the confines of the OS, however, UAL 93 was not circling over Cleveland it simply turned around. So I think we can rule that out.

Could this be the plane that flew from Chicago airspace and then s/sw through Champagne causing the ACARS to be sent to Ft. Wayne, and then Champagne, Ill? There is no purpose for this route in the event of a swap or within the context of the official story. So I think we can scrap this scenario.

The most likely scenario I can arrive at based upon your new research was that Chicago airspace was the launch point for the swap plane. Marr's group was 'seeing' the swap plane before the exchange took place as described in the memo. He is out of the ops loop and perhaps thinks it might be part of the exercise. The official plane is lost on radar, the swap from Chicago takes place near the Cleveland region in the radar hole Woody has pointed out before, and the official plane after the swap continues to fly s/sw/w resulting in the ACARS to Ft. Wayne, IN, Champagne,IL and then who knows where?

Does any of your research support my interpretation of the UAL 93 that Marr is seeing in above Chicago? If not what do you think Marr and his team were watching circling the skies over Chicago?
Edited by swingdangler, Feb 27 2010, 09:19 AM.
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Domenick DiMaggio

theres no way for me to help resolve this for you.....i have no way of knowing positively identifying the plane that flew over the crash site so all i could do is offer speculation and i'd rather not engage in so.

once you discover the lie its impossible to determine what is the truth without having direct access to the evidence. the only evidence i've had access to is eyewitnesses and they can't give us a positive id other than to say it was a commercial airliner.
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ihatebush

I really think we all need to get more people to see this evidence and get a petition going to prosecute the Bush Administation.... Or at the least open up a full investigation of everything that led up to and the events of that tragic day!!
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