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| WTC1 75N/77W dust jet emerged before the collapse initiation; naturally compressed air theory debunked | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 24 2009, 11:29 AM (464 Views) | |
| TDX | Apr 24 2009, 11:29 AM Post #1 |
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Well, any comments? (the dust jet started too early - before the collapse- to be explained by the pressure changes, which could be explained by the south wall collapse, i.e. it's comfirmed- the dust jets were caused by the CD) |
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| BoneZ | Apr 24 2009, 12:25 PM Post #2 |
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Speaking of "confirmed", you still haven't confirmed my question posted to you here: http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=210957&t=1420731 Your credibility is at stake. I've even PM'ed you about the above and you've avoided my PM also. Please confirm the above before "confirming" anything else, thanks. |
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| noeffects | Apr 24 2009, 07:16 PM Post #3 |
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color bump |
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| TDX | Apr 25 2009, 09:06 AM Post #4 |
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Uff, this is way too ot, but as you wish The hoboken video is a fraud, you can crealy hear that it is not the qriginal soundtrack, there weren't any explosions of the needed magnitude (distance>3km), if they were there then we would see large window breakage before the collapse (or very rapid smoke movements) on the North Tower walls and we would hear them in other sountracks, no such thing there, sorry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTXFnAIP6A0#t=3m20s (note: I don't agree with the video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qiye0R-65RE There was no need for explosives before and during the collapse initation, thermite did the job very well, if there were explosion of explosives before the collapse, then we would not observe such a big quantites of thermite in the dust (see my other posts), nevertheless the preparators wouldn't risk the sound of explosions on the video tapes.... my credibility is high, I know more in regard to the collapses than you, that's proven fact, you shouldn't bark here, just because you can't imagine that a CD can have acceleration lower than g and that the hoboken video was a fake back to the topic, the dust jet's (squibs) couldn't be produced by panc. floors, because the first squibs emerged before any floor could fall down onto another, explosives by itself didn't produce the dust jets either, because real squibs lat much shorter and are more violent....... the squibs were an expression of rapidly collapsing core and falling core elements inside the elevator shafts, the timing of the dust jets corresponds with invisible collapse initiation inside the core (about 0,7s before any visible movement on the exterior) thus proving controlled demolition  |
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| BoneZ | Apr 25 2009, 12:07 PM Post #5 |
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Well, had you not ignored my post in the other thread or ignored my PM, we wouldn't be at this point now would we? Clearly hear it, huh? Not only can I clearly NOT hear it, I've never heard such a claim except from a few debunkers years ago. If you watch the north tower closely in the Hoboken video, you will see the smoke become disturbed just seconds before collapse. If you sync the audio with the video (taking into account the 2 miles of sound travel), there are a couple smaller detonations that disturb the smoke and were the initiators of the collapse in the north tower. Then you hear the series of detonations as the north tower is falling. Oh guess what? At 2:27 in the video you posted, you hear the SAME series of detonations as the Hoboken video (I've already adjusted the link for the correct time): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qiye0R-65RE#t=2m27s So, thank you for posting that link. I had actually never seen that particular clip, but it confirms the audio in the Hoboken video to be accurate, and your claim that the audio was faked to be disinfo. But the sounds of explosions did make it onto video tapes like the Hoboken video, the above YouTube video and several others. Not to mention the fact that that numerous firefighters heard the "boom boom boom" detonations going off, police, Brian Clark (south tower survivor) mentions it in a couple documentaries, etc. The video evidence and the witness testimony is there, you're just throwing it all out the window for your own agenda.
 I think I've already shown that it's not, but lets continue anyway...
This must be another disinfo claim as you have no idea what I know.I've been barking on the Loose Change forums for several years, where have you been? You think you can just join up at a forum, spew your BS and think you're all knowing and tell others what they do and don't know? You slay me!I've been researching and studying the collapse of the WTC and controlled demolitions for several years since I was first introduced to 9/11 truth. Although I'm versed in just about everything 9/11, the WTC is my main course of study and research. See the banner in my sig? I'm a member and a sustaining member there. See the next link? http://stj911.org/ Yep, member there also. And I don't see your work anywhere on either one of those websites. Please humor us and tell us all why? Not only have you not shown any evidence of it's fakery, you actually posted a link CONFIRMING the audio to be accurate. You debunked your own self and didn't even realize it. But you go ahead and keep peddling that the Hoboken video was fake and you'll be labeled a disinfo artist. Yet explosives produce the dust jets in every single controlled demolition:  That fact alone debunks any claim you make. And by making that claim, you've already shown you know next to nothing about controlled demolitions. Further, a "squib" is a miniature explosive device that resembles a tiny stick of dynamite, both in appearance and construction, although with considerably less explosive power. |
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| TDX | Apr 25 2009, 02:44 PM Post #6 |
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uff, so many nonsense, I'll debunk you tomorrow, back to the squibs, yes I labeled them as dust jets, so there ya go when you look at the actual propagation of the dust jet (not some 0dpi photography) you will found out that they last for about 2-4 seconds and that the speed and volume of material contained in them is increasing, every saw an exploisve which goes off in time interval of 4 seconds? The squibs are CD related (pressure changes as. with the collapsing core inside the building), but they are not a direct result of explosions, not in this world. more info, which debunks your nonsense mantra can be found here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54HRMUcPGE#t=6m10s And yes, I'm more valuable to this forum than you, I can offer acctual analysis based on existent physiscs and video/photo evidence, unlike you, we share the same goal, but you can't think that proving something like WTC CD is that simple. "it's a dust jet, musta be a charge" "it was a demoltion, therefore it fell at freefall" no matter that a lot of demoltions have fall acceleration at about the half of g and no matter that the collapses happned at approx60%g .................. you have to follow the video evidence and good analysis.......it is not that simple |
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| BoneZ | Apr 25 2009, 05:52 PM Post #7 |
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Ooohhh, please go to stj911.org and ae911truth.org and tell those professionals, who are smarter than both of us, that everything they've been presenting is all nonesense. I wanna see what they say to you. The dust jets are NOT called "squibs". Squibs are actual explosives. Since you didn't read or understand this in my last post, try this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squib_(explosive) That's what happens when explosives go off deep within the core of the WTC towers. Unless you're looking at slowed-down video, the jets of dust didn't last 4 seconds. Further, every single controlled demolition is different. There are over 1000 different types of explosives that can be used in controlled demolitions and depending on what type is used, the dust jets will be different sizes, shapes, speeds and will have more or less material in them depending on the location and the material of the building. I have a couple different demolition videos that have dust jets that are identical to the one's in the towers and I will be showing them in an upcoming video I'm working on.
I don't know what world you're typing to us from then because the dust jets are a direct result of explosives here on Earth.How about you make a poll and let's see what the voters say... |
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| TDX | Apr 26 2009, 03:42 AM Post #8 |
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ok, I'll reply to your older post latter...... Ooohhh, please go to stj911.org and ae911truth.org and tell those professionals, who are smarter than both of us, that everything they've been presenting is all nonesense. I wanna see what they say to you. I'm not saying that they present only nonsense. But I actually can beat them on many counts.Hell, I can even point out the precise location for the charges, nobody from these organizations can do that.They are presenting things and they are tired from it, the real research to the collapses happens in diffrent places. Of course, I know what squibs is, I don't know why do you try to bring it here,I labeled them as dust jets, but I presented the squibs label, because it is more common here in TM "That's what happens when explosives go off deep within the core of the WTC towers." Good, didn't know, you can say that to TBX weapons researchers, that it takes only a few columns for the blast wave to exist longer.......... "the jets of dust didn't last 4 seconds" Uf, really? You didn't even bother to look at the OP video. some of these jets lasted for about 3-4 seconds "over 1000 different types of explosives " please, show me a charge which detonates over period of 4 seconds and has pressure profile of the WTC squibs.........oh I forget, you can't did you even bother to look at the comparsion of explosive squibs and the NT dust jets?  |
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| BoneZ | Apr 26 2009, 07:07 AM Post #9 |
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And that's one of the reasons why the truth movement gets a bad rep because people throw around the wrong terminology and then it makes it look like they don't know what they're talking about. As I've already stated, none of the dust jets at the WTC lasted 4 seconds. The video you posted is slowed way down. |
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| Miragememories | Apr 26 2009, 08:15 AM Post #10 |
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I suggest you place greater concern on the truth and less on ego gratification TDX. You have indeed posted a great deal of collapse analysis. My biggest problem with your work is you show a distinct lack of concern for a quality presentation. Your posts should be thoroughly proofread and your videos need to be more intelligible. What is so obvious to you has to be presented in a fashion that it also becomes obvious to the unfamiliar reader. Quantity is not quality. Quantity presented poorly, begs to be interpreted as amateurish and of poor quality. MM |
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| TDX | Apr 26 2009, 09:51 AM Post #11 |
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uff, yes it is slowed down, so you can actually see when the dust jet started, so you can measure the exact duration, if you look at the upper section then you can see that there is no movement, a little while after it starts to collapse (you pick up some freefalling piece and you use the distance, so you can measure the real time duration of the jet and since you will find out that the distance was over 70m you will end up with a 3-5s interval, so the dust jet had duration of cca 4s,hcih means that it was not caused by explosive, since explosive squibs have a duration of less than a second furthemore you will find out that the dust jet is accelerating and that cannot be contributed to explosives, hence the "squibs" start at t(max) and are decelarating over a period of time neither a series of charges would cause such a behaviour Edited by TDX, Apr 26 2009, 09:53 AM.
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| TDX | Apr 26 2009, 09:52 AM Post #12 |
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if you look at the thread title you will se something shocking |
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| BoneZ | Apr 26 2009, 12:24 PM Post #13 |
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Okay, I went back and watched the video again as I obviously wasn't paying too much attention the first time. Now I see what you're talking about, but it's not the start of the dust jet. As I stated earlier, if you watch the Hoboken video and sync up the audio with the video, you can hear a series of smaller explosions going off just before collapse, then the smoke gets disturbed from the explosions and collapse ensues. What you are seeing here:  appears to be a piece of debris stuck out of a window as the explosions are going off. Then as the dust jet comes out of that area (explosive is detonated), that piece of debris gets pushed away with other debris:  I've already discovered this little anomaly and will be showing this in my upcoming video as well. Edited by BoneZ, Apr 26 2009, 12:25 PM.
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| TDX | Apr 26 2009, 01:20 PM Post #14 |
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yes, I knew about that, don't worry, the point is that the piece of junk delayed the dust jet, but that does not realte to the issue, the dust jet accelerates continously, no explosives only pressure caused by thermite charges, which caused the core to collapse at the impact point 0,7s before the exterior collapse initiation btw. 4s period of detonations would cause serious disturbance in that corner (partial collapse) |
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| noeffects | Apr 26 2009, 03:52 PM Post #15 |
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just getting this straight in my head TDX... so you believe the core and other connecting points under the impact point were destroted by thermite... squibs are a result of pressure caused by thermite... top falls through like butter all the way down... correct or add... wondering here... if it was thermite, nanothermate, etc...are you saying it is heat pressure? and if so why does it not blow out more windows (like a row) instead of a few localized windows ? |
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| BoneZ | Apr 26 2009, 04:20 PM Post #16 |
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Then please explain to the world how dust jets are visible in most other controlled demolitions without thermite charges and only explosives? |
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| TDX | Apr 28 2009, 12:39 PM Post #17 |
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no, these jets are not visible in controlled demolition with explosive charges, please go and find me a dust jet caused by explosion which has the same characteristic like the WTC ejections ( start slow, accelerates, duration~3 sec, constant flow and so on), what you will find is short,sharp burst which starts at v(max) and decelerates almost constantly (stops), the explosive "squibs" last only about 1/2s the WTC jets are only expresions of local collapses occuring well before the exterior collapse front, now this strongly implies CD, but it does not (directly) prove explosives on the same floor (from which the jet originates) What caused this local collapses? The core failed about a second before the exterior collapse, so the freefalling debris could trigger collapses well before the collapse, or some predefined sequence could cause this.... and since there are no ejections which would look like the real CD ejections, it is safe to assume that the failures were caused by thermite or by very very supressed explosive charges (every scenario which involves core collapse as a start of the collapse means controlled demoltion, because there weren't extra hot fires in the core and the core columns were massive and hence fire resistant) Ok? |
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