What caused the fires and broken windows?

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What caused the fires and broken windows?; (Couldn't have been the falling debris)
Topic Started: Apr 22 2009, 03:45 PM (698 Views)
Guerilla Radio	Apr 22 2009, 03:45 PM Post #1
Posts: 19 Group: Members Member #1,106 Joined: 03/28/09	It's kinda strange why no one in the truth movement seemed to have noticed or mentioned this before, but the broken windows could not have been caused by falling debris from the Twin towers. Why? It's simple. The broken windows were on the North side of Building 7, the side facing away from the North and South Towers. So obviously, it would have been physically impossible for falling debris to damage the windows on the North side. The official story is impossible. Watch this Youtube video to see Dan Rather report on North side broken windows and fires. Youtube video Edited by Guerilla Radio, Apr 22 2009, 03:46 PM.
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BoneZ	Apr 22 2009, 03:56 PM Post #2
Posts: 725 Group: Members Member #269 Joined: 02/03/08	If there were fires on the floors with broken windows, fires cause many broken windows.
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Guerilla Radio	Apr 22 2009, 04:06 PM Post #3
Posts: 19 Group: Members Member #1,106 Joined: 03/28/09	The red arrow points to the North side of the building with the broken windows and fires. But the Towers are facing the South side (of Bldg 7). So what caused the broken windows and the fires?
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Guerilla Radio	Apr 22 2009, 04:08 PM Post #4
Posts: 19 Group: Members Member #1,106 Joined: 03/28/09	BoneZ Apr 22 2009, 03:56 PM If there were fires on the floors with broken windows, fires cause many broken windows. Oh ok, but then what could have caused the fires (on the North side of the building)? Edited by Guerilla Radio, Apr 22 2009, 04:19 PM.
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Guerilla Radio	Apr 22 2009, 04:34 PM Post #5
Posts: 19 Group: Members Member #1,106 Joined: 03/28/09	What also seems strange is the fires on the East side. The East side is facing away from the Towers as well, out of reach of falling debris. So again, I can't imagine how this side of the building could have been affected by falling debris. Notice that like the fires on the North side, these fires are limited to only a couple of rooms or so on one or two floors, they do not engulf the entire floor. Edit: and even odder, no fires can be seen coming from the South or West face of the building, the two sides that are facing directly towards the Towers. Edited by Guerilla Radio, Apr 22 2009, 04:53 PM.
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BoneZ	Apr 22 2009, 06:49 PM Post #6
Posts: 725 Group: Members Member #269 Joined: 02/03/08	Guerilla Radio Apr 22 2009, 04:08 PM Oh ok, but then what could have caused the fires That's the million dollar question.
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Guerilla Radio	Apr 22 2009, 08:52 PM Post #7
Posts: 19 Group: Members Member #1,106 Joined: 03/28/09	BoneZ Apr 22 2009, 06:49 PM Guerilla Radio Apr 22 2009, 04:08 PM Oh ok, but then what could have caused the fires That's the million dollar question. This might be a dumb question, but can you provide more info about how fire or heat can shatter windows? I can't find anything on Google about it except for this: Quote: If the window was made of tempered glass (which seems likely) then heat should not shatter it. Oven windows are made of the same stuff, and I doubt it hit 300 degrees F outside. Maybe office window is different from oven window, I don't know.
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noeffects	Apr 22 2009, 10:12 PM Post #8
Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	was all of WTC 7 considered part of Rudys' OEM ?... was all of WTC 7 "bomb proof" ? ...
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22205	Apr 22 2009, 11:51 PM Post #9
Arlingtonian Posts: 444 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: 01/14/08	looks to me like the damage was in a very centralized and specific location: those floors look like somewhere between the 7th and 13th. here is a list of tennants: looks 90% likely that some sort of a "financial institution" office was on fire, but the windows being blown out indicates a bomb blast (imo). since the building was going to be dropped fully later anyway, the question becomes why do earlier damage to it? why blow up 3 or 4 floors of offices? what it translates to (for me) is targets inside wtc7, BEFORE collapse. one possible theory: depending on what time these floors were blown up, and what direct institutions were affected, one might be able to do some sort of sneaky trading or money laundering or some subterfuge related to finance. there would be this window of one or two hours before everything in the financial world was shut down, that you could exploit to some advantageous end, and maybe some of these particular offices getting bombed helped to facilitate that. yes - purely speculative. but regardless of why or for what use, there's almost no doubt (in my mind) that bombs blew up those windows, nothing else could do it. i thought (before viewing the vid) that maybe some people were trapped and they broke some windows for air. but its wtc7, and the damage is so uniform and centered in such a specific area, that its hard to come up with another plausible explantion. imo there were bombs inside the place that went off exactly where you see in the stills. if you could identify which offices were in those exact locations, you could further hypothesize about the possible motive(s) for demolishing them earlier (rather than later). the cars on fire - a distraction tactic and intentional time consumer - intended to slow down the vigilant rescuers who would have all rushed into the building to save people. just like with the other wtc's, the designers of the plot attempted an act of grace/mercy. they needed a body count to include civil servants like cops and fireman, so the outrage would blind the public and open them for programming. but they didnt want to wipe out the entire police/fire force nor kill more people than was really necessary. so to keep collateral damage to a minimum, at least where non-targets* like the rescuers are concerned, various busy work was strewn about the OUTSIDE or lobby levels of the buildings, to keep them outside (or very close to it) instead of stuck inside, lest they be stuck during the eventual collapses (demo's). *opposite of nontargets are targets, people meant to never leave the buildings alive. financial institutions like cantor fitzgerald come to mind... reminder: most of the above are my opinions and NOT provable as fact, so take with whatever grain of salt you deem necessary...



mike_abcd	Apr 23 2009, 12:34 AM Post #10
Posts: 30 Group: Members Member #141 Joined: 01/20/08	more importantly the cars on the north side have blown up and thw windows of the cars which r on north side of WTC7 also have blown up. Strange!!!
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TDX	Apr 23 2009, 09:15 AM Post #11
Posts: 159 Group: Members Member #435 Joined: 03/24/08	lulz, the windows were broken as a result of fire, glass breakes at t>600°C, the fire was caused 1)by direct arson 2) by indirect thermite arson (floors 12,13,14) that's why was the fire alarm disabled that mornin, more info is comming
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noeffects	Apr 23 2009, 01:06 PM Post #12
Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	Quote: glass breakes at t>600°C all glass? even "blast-resistant"glass? anyway... was this "blast-resistant" glass installed only on the rebuilt WTC7 ?
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DoYouEverWonder	Apr 23 2009, 01:46 PM Post #13
Posts: 437 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: 01/24/08	22205 Apr 22 2009, 11:51 PM looks to me like the damage was in a very centralized and specific location: those floors look like somewhere between the 7th and 13th. here is a list of tennants: looks 90% likely that some sort of a "financial institution" office was on fire, but the windows being blown out indicates a bomb blast (imo). since the building was going to be dropped fully later anyway, the question becomes why do earlier damage to it? why blow up 3 or 4 floors of offices? what it translates to (for me) is targets inside wtc7, BEFORE collapse. one possible theory: depending on what time these floors were blown up, and what direct institutions were affected, one might be able to do some sort of sneaky trading or money laundering or some subterfuge related to finance. there would be this window of one or two hours before everything in the financial world was shut down, that you could exploit to some advantageous end, and maybe some of these particular offices getting bombed helped to facilitate that. yes - purely speculative. but regardless of why or for what use, there's almost no doubt (in my mind) that bombs blew up those windows, nothing else could do it. i thought (before viewing the vid) that maybe some people were trapped and they broke some windows for air. but its wtc7, and the damage is so uniform and centered in such a specific area, that its hard to come up with another plausible explantion. imo there were bombs inside the place that went off exactly where you see in the stills. if you could identify which offices were in those exact locations, you could further hypothesize about the possible motive(s) for demolishing them earlier (rather than later). the cars on fire - a distraction tactic and intentional time consumer - intended to slow down the vigilant rescuers who would have all rushed into the building to save people. just like with the other wtc's, the designers of the plot attempted an act of grace/mercy. they needed a body count to include civil servants like cops and fireman, so the outrage would blind the public and open them for programming. but they didnt want to wipe out the entire police/fire force nor kill more people than was really necessary. so to keep collateral damage to a minimum, at least where non-targets* like the rescuers are concerned, various busy work was strewn about the OUTSIDE or lobby levels of the buildings, to keep them outside (or very close to it) instead of stuck inside, lest they be stuck during the eventual collapses (demo's). opposite of nontargets are targets, people meant to never leave the buildings alive. financial institutions like cantor fitzgerald come to mind... reminder: most of the above are my opinions and NOT provable as fact, so take with whatever grain of salt you deem necessary... Here's another photo with evidence of fires burning ~~that match the ones in your photos~~ on the south side of the 7th floor, that were taken BEFORE the Towers collapsed. Floor 7 was an important place to target because that was where they installed the cantilevered trusses, that held the building up over the existing ConEd Substation that was underneath. Edited by DoYouEverWonder*, Apr 23 2009, 08:26 PM.
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TDX	Apr 24 2009, 08:33 AM Post #14
Posts: 159 Group: Members Member #435 Joined: 03/24/08	in fact the trusses extended from 5th to 7th floor, the 6th floor slab had a big openings in it, so it's difficult to find the difference between 5th and 6th floor, either way the 5th and 6th floor were mechanical floors, they used thermite on that floors, if there was a partial collapse, then the fire could escape to the 7th floor (if you understand me), nevertheless there was second "row" of charges on the 13th floor, the truss number 3 (west side of the building) was attacked on that floor (respectively core columns 61+/62,63), the collapse was initiated by column 80 or 81 (not 79 as NIST claims), 80 and 81 were accesible from an acess ramp on the 5th floor, unlike 79 It almost looks like I'm one of the preparators.........
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Ferric Oxide	Apr 25 2009, 12:56 PM Post #15
Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #153 Joined: 01/20/08	Frankly, I'm glad you brought this up. I had brought this issue up on a private forum about two years ago, but I could not find footage to absolutely verify the theory, so I did not (and do not) pursue the theory further. The camera in the still from video appears to capture someone breaking the window (if one plays the video). The window disappears inward, and then appears to be tossed out. The camera quickly pans away when the most important evidence is about to be displayed--that is---more video of the windows breaking and being tossed out. These windows are near cubicles which are being set ablaze on the north side of the building. The windows are being broken as the cubicles are being torched. There is also some evidence on Mr. Spak's video which appear to show a window breaking inward. Then after a full second, the window is tossed out. If you look at the floor plan of the building one can clearly see that the inward breaking windows would fall within the office. However, until an FOIA for unedited footage is released, I fear that plausible deniability will deal with this issue adequately. Heat does cause glass to break, but look a little bit more carefully at the Channel 8 footage. I suppose this forum is an adequate forum to present a theory: A team is setting each cubicle ablaze on the north side and breaking the windows as they work their way across the north side. Hypothetically, this action would be yet another way to divert attention away from the more crucial actions going on at the south side of Building seven in the area of the Promenade. Smoke pots and other diversions are common to clandestine operations, at least since the OSS existed. In the times of the OSS, there is an example of one type of diversionary tactic: A smoke pot would be placed near a truck to add plausible deniability to the reason why a supposed gun shot was heard. Those looking in the direction of the gun shot would see the back of a truck smoking and logically attribute the "bang" to that of a back fire, thus dismissing the thought of mischievious behavior surrounding the "bang" sound (for just enough time for the target to be eliminated (actual goal of operation), the perpetrator to get away (actual), and the sponsor to take the blame (sheep dipped subject; either aware or unaware of their involvement depending on the operation) for the event. This is only a hypotheical theory. Edited by Ferric Oxide, Apr 25 2009, 01:18 PM.
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DoYouEverWonder	Apr 25 2009, 01:25 PM Post #16
Posts: 437 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: 01/24/08	Quote: A team is setting each cubicle ablaze on the north side and breaking the windows as they work their way across the north side. Hypothetically, this action would be yet another way to divert attention away from the more crucial actions going on at the south side of Building seven in the area of the Promenade. Smoke pots and other diversions are common to clandestine operations, at least since the OSS existed. Instead of smoke pots, wouldn't burning vehicles do the trick? Most of the vehicles that blew up were on Vesey St and West Broadway blocking access to WTC 7.
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Ferric Oxide	Apr 25 2009, 02:57 PM Post #17
Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #153 Joined: 01/20/08	I agree. I am only stating that smoke pots have been used to provide cover and diversion in clandestine operations since the OSS. Here, FOIA requests for an unedited version of Spak's video, in addition to other north side shots may clearly show that some windows are being purposefully broken and tossed out. The cubicles are being set ablaze along the window line to display that the building is involved. However, there is enough plausible deniability to cast doubt upon this theory without the requisite supporting video. Edited by Ferric Oxide, Apr 25 2009, 03:00 PM.
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R1J1D-W1LL	May 6 2009, 12:01 AM Post #18
Posts: 32 Group: Members Member #1,155 Joined: 05/05/09	I am a glass blower, when pyrex glass gets too hot too fast or too cold too fast it will crack first> this is a very common glass no where near the strength of bomb proof plate with several layers.
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mike_abcd	May 9 2009, 12:11 PM Post #19
Posts: 30 Group: Members Member #141 Joined: 01/20/08	just wanted to share this video - where u see bus and car windows blowing away from a real atomic test... this was filmed in 1953 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-v92nxahDQ
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Miragememories	May 9 2009, 12:57 PM Post #20
Posts: 759 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	And your making what point mike_abcd? MM
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mike_abcd	May 10 2009, 02:26 AM Post #21
Posts: 30 Group: Members Member #141 Joined: 01/20/08	Miragememories May 9 2009, 12:57 PM And your making what point mike_abcd? MM the basement explosions before the plane hit, the smoke rising from the basement before the towers collapsed, the police radio transmissions of van full of explosives, radio audio transmissions of van or car getting exploded, the pictures of burnt cars/car windows on the side away from the north and south towers - COULD possibly be due to some kind of bomb explosive.
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noeffects	May 10 2009, 02:59 AM Post #22
Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	The exploding van...Mural of terror attack van... belong to Urban Moving Systems, a nice Israel Corp that decided to pack up and leave the US a day after 9/11... yes dancing Mossad party 911 2001...I can see the rave card now Yo Mike abcd ... If a nuke thingamajig / EMP was going off these Urban Mover Vans were not involved... I do think the burnt cars are weird... those burnt out cars could also be a specific timed diversion tactic (to keep folks out of the crime scene... or widen the perimeter control factors ) Personally I think it started in Bohemian Grove at the 'Cremation of Car' ritual... I'm almost positive Lloyd England was the guest of honor that summer of 2001...what a party...
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mike_abcd	May 11 2009, 01:08 AM Post #23
Posts: 30 Group: Members Member #141 Joined: 01/20/08	noeffects May 10 2009, 02:59 AM The exploding van...Mural of terror attack van... belong to Urban Moving Systems, a nice Israel Corp that decided to pack up and leave the US a day after 9/11... yes dancing Mossad party 911 2001...I can see the rave card now Yo Mike abcd ... If a nuke thingamajig / EMP was going off these Urban Mover Vans were not involved... I do think the burnt cars are weird... those burnt out cars could also be a specific timed diversion tactic (to keep folks out of the crime scene... or widen the perimeter control factors ) Personally I think it started in Bohemian Grove at the 'Cremation of Car' ritual... I'm almost positive Lloyd England was the guest of honor that summer of 2001...what a party... Im NOT saying they used nukes at the WTC. I dont know if they did or did not. In the below video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-v92nxahDQ the car caught fire which was located far away from the point of explosion, due to that heat wave or some thing? Im guessing a similar heat wave could have caused the cars/car windows/car paints to explode/burn off due to the explosives used in the WTC. (May be...speculation!)
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