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| Topic Started: Mar 15 2008, 07:20 PM (2,289 Views) | |
| exponent | May 29 2008, 05:33 AM Post #26 |
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I guess I am one of those idiots then, because it is pretty well documented that there was a triage centre set up in the lobby of WTC7. You can read the reports of EMS Captain Abdo Nahmod, Chief John Perrugia, EMT Gregg Brady, EMT Richard Zarillo etc. Here is a direct quote from Gregg Brady
There are quite a few emergency personnel who were in and around WTC7 throughout the time Barry Jennings would have experienced this explosion, all of them simply mention the collapse of the south tower. I am very interested in what exactly Barry experienced, but I think it is more likely he was mistaken. |
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| Gideon524 | May 29 2008, 01:18 PM Post #27 |
Oh, you didn't know?
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That's what I love about "debunkers." They weren't there and yet they're absolutely positive that the victim's accounts are all mistaken or taken out of context. - John Schroder and Barry Jennings only thought they heard and felt explosions before the towers collapsed. - Norman Mineta only thought that Cheney was in the PEOC before the Pentagon was hit. - Brig. Gen Montague Winfield only thought that fighter jets were at the Shanksville crash scene IMMEDIATELY after 10:03. - NEADS Col. Robert Marr only thought he specifically passed the shoot down order on to the fighter pilots in pursuit of UA93. You guys accuse us of twisting facts and statements and yet turn right around and immediately dismiss anything, espcially first hand accounts of the victims and officials directly involved that day, that might burst that nice little bubble you live in known as the 9/11 Commission Report. Way to think critically.  I'd be careful when making accusation that "twoofers" aren't interested in discovering the truth because you guys sure as hell aren't either. |
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| exponent | May 29 2008, 02:59 PM Post #28 |
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Uh, well yes in many cases I am quite sure people were mistaken. For example, in what order do you think the towers fell? Memory is unreliable and I have read through quite a few EMS and firefighter accounts now which fail to mention this explosion at all. Even people who were in the building from the second plane's impact and the oem evacuation until the south tower collapsed do not mention it at all. Occams Razor indicates that it is more likely Mr Jennings is mistaken rather than suffer an explosion completely unknown to the rest of the people in the building. It fits both the timeline we have of his movements and the accounts of other people if this explosion was the collapse of the south tower, and Mr Jennings was mistaken.
What does this have to do with the 911 Commission Report? These accounts are from the NYTimes archive here.
I have never used that phrase, and it is evident your attack on me here is based upon my dismissal of Barry Jennings claim. Can you provide a more coherent explanation? |
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| JFK | May 29 2008, 03:18 PM Post #29 |
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e^n, watch this from 3:45 to 9:02. So he was also mistaken about the landing which he was standing on giving away before either tower fell ? Think about what you are implying. |
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| garb | May 29 2008, 06:06 PM Post #30 |
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First of all I don't have any proof he made that assertion so why should I take your word for it? You cherry picked a quote attempting to make alt+f4 look bad and haven't explained why you did such. Also, threatening me with revealing information? Not only is that childish that is cowardly sitting behind your computer as an admin. And no matter what if Barry Jennings isn't revealing evidence to a crime of 3,000 deaths, then I will still call him a coward. FYI: My apologies on the attack, I looked back at a quote where you said you could not use the search function. I remembered it as you could not view the forum to find certain members. Simply a mistake, so I will retract it. |
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| JFK | May 29 2008, 06:25 PM Post #31 |
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1. So we should violate the trust we have with Barry Jennings for you and your kinds amusement ? That ain't happening. 2. ALT+F4 does a fine job of making herself look bad and requires none of my assistance. I echo theauthors sentiments.  3. Guilty conscience ? 4. Naturally, that is what you people are good at.... Calling people names. 5. Unh huh. 
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| Gideon524 | May 29 2008, 07:22 PM Post #32 |
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Oh, you didn't know?
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Oh, right. My bad. I forgot that WTC 7 isn't even mentioned in the Commish. |
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| exponent | May 30 2008, 01:25 AM Post #33 |
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Not at all, he was likely mistaken about seeing both towers. The landing he was standing on probably gave way due to the collapse of the South Tower. There's quite a lot of evidence to suggest this, and the alternative requires some rather speculative or unsupported assumptions about firefighters / EMS. I'm not happy with that speculation unless there's some evidence for it but from what I know we haven't any video footage, any corroborating accounts or anything but Barry Jennings single account which has been used to support things like "Dead bodies in WTC7 = people died because of wtc7".
You are correct. Did you read the accounts I linked to? They're only about 4-8 pages each and you will be able to see what my issue with Mr Jennings story is. |
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| JFK | May 30 2008, 08:23 AM Post #34 |
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I'd be very interested in hearing this guy's account rather than dismissing Jennings account out of hand. As to the best of my knowledge he has never been interviewed. |
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| look-up | May 30 2008, 10:56 AM Post #35 |
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yea, the two guys should be best friends... so I guess people could harrass him and get this other guys ##, but then again, we are not "vile pieces of filth" like some people who take pleasure in harassing 9/11 victims. |
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| exponent | May 30 2008, 02:17 PM Post #36 |
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Ditto, bear in mind I have not dismissed his account 'out of hand'. I sent emails to Mike Newman and Mike Hess as well as reviewing every possible related interview in the NIST report, FEMAs reports and the NYTimes list. You should know me well enough by now to realise I have good reasons for dismissing one part of Mr Jennings account. While you may not agree, I am fairly sure you can't explain why nobody else mentioned these explosions. This is why I don't like to speculate on it 
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| look-up | May 30 2008, 02:42 PM Post #37 |
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so e^n, how did the landing beneath him suddenly collapse? Could the destruction of a nearby building do that? |
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| exponent | May 30 2008, 05:33 PM Post #38 |
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I believe so, parts of WTC2 did hit WTC7, although only on low floors and it is unclear what sort of damage they caused. There's quite a few accounts of people talking about the lobby of WTC 7 being pretty beaten up after the collapse, and there's been video posted here before of all the glass windows broken out etc. I really can't give you any firm answers, because so much of it is speculation. I don't want to seem callous or insensitive, but there's a very real chance Mr Jennings was mistaken. The only event we have any sort of confirmation of happening between the times he entered and exited the building was the south tower collapse. We know that all the events he describes after the explosion are also consistent with occuring after the south tower collapse, excepting of course the south tower standing. There's also a very real question of timing, a good estimate for when the OEM was evacuated would be about 9:30, that leaves only 29 minutes before the south tower collapse. Of course he could be right, and some explosive could have gone off and caused the landing collapse, but it seems unlikely that it was never recorded on any broadcasts (there were various journalists at ground level around WTC2) nor mentioned in any of the accounts from people in the building nor corroborated by anything I am aware of. I would love to hear his account in full, and have the chance to ask him a couple of questions about it, but for now I have to apply Occam's Razor as I see it. |
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| Miragememories | May 31 2008, 06:41 PM Post #39 |
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I have been reviewing what information I can find about Barry Jennings. At this point, I find nothing in the publicly available portion of his LC interview that is contradicted by FDNY statements other than the "dead bodies" provided as hearsay evidence by Jason Bermas, who as an LC producer would of course have seen the complete interview. Testimony from firefighters on the scene indicates that visibility was very poor but the Barry Jenning's rescue was similar to the kind of assistance being provided up until the collapse of WTC 2. I wish a transcript of his complete statements was available. If the inside explosion he reported was not the collapse of WTC 2, than it certainly puts his statement at odds with other testimony. Barry's describing all three of these morning WTC events in proper chronology would confirm the consistency of his story and challenge the statements given by some very senior people. Maybe in all those 500+ firefighter and EMS transcripts at the New York Times Achives, we might find some same timeline testimony that corroborates what Barry Jennings has said he witnessed. It would be very helpful to find any statements by Mr. Michael Hess, Corporation Counsel for the City of New York, and Mr. Jennings companion throughout this adventure. Mr. Hess has impeccable establishment credentials, Google says; "graduated from Yale and Harvard, and is a lawyer whose handled 'numerous major cases' for the federal government." MM Edited by Miragememories, Jun 7 2008, 04:09 PM.
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| JFK | May 31 2008, 06:54 PM Post #40 |
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 < unsucessfully attempts to restrain self from Yale ( S&B ), lawyer and government comments > 
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| OneShotKi11 | Jun 7 2008, 03:49 AM Post #41 |
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What a waste of life you all are. If he has info proving anything it should be released. If not then your just like the government. Keeping info from us for your own stupid reasons. |
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| JFK | Jun 7 2008, 05:21 AM Post #42 |
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Great... You know where the door is.... Don't let it hit you where the sun don't shine on the way out. 
It almost was, and would have been had it not been for your peers.
I agree.... But put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine if YOU were harassed while at work by "truthers" demanding to hear YOUR story over the phone ? Would it still be a stupid reason ? |
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| illeagalhunter | Jun 9 2008, 11:00 AM Post #43 |
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Now ive heard the Jenninfs interview , thanks |
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| OneShotKi11 | Jun 11 2008, 04:11 AM Post #44 |
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WOuldnt really care. If my story would have been that huge i would have made it public and not sat there waiting to be called so people can hear it. Im srry if you believe this bullshit of a story but i dont. THat plus the fact that i heard the BBC is doing his story. SO they are allowed to release it not you guys. Sounds strange..... Sounds like bullshit to me. Like i said if it was anything worth while it would have been released! |
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