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Topic Started: Mar 27 2009, 07:48 PM (1,556 Views)
asaf-a	Mar 27 2009, 07:48 PM Post #1
Posts: 40 Group: Members Member #1,103 Joined: 03/27/09	My name is Asaf, i'm a 17 years old from Israel. I saw the movie loose change and money other CT sites and movies, and the thing that has bothered me the most is that even though many questions are unanswered, and there are many mysteries and stuff, the theory dosen't add up. No one puts it out in an organized timeline, something on the line of: 8:45 A remote-controlled plane hits the North tower. 9:20 A bomg is trigered at the south tower. etc etc.... I have to admit that this CT sound very unrealistic to me, but i'm giving you guys the benefit of a doubt. So everyone is invited to give me the story from the begining to the end.
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noeffects	Mar 27 2009, 08:59 PM Post #2
Posts: 797 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	welcome asaf-a... it's a pretty big task to lay all out there so you can understand it...so i 'll advise you to read through some more topics..good searching to ya... if you're concerned about the time of events... 'maybe' this will help...911Timeline.net
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asaf-a	Mar 28 2009, 05:19 AM Post #3
Posts: 40 Group: Members Member #1,103 Joined: 03/27/09	Yeah but the thing is that most of the claims are 'jet fuel can't melt steel' or 'no way a plane hit the Pentagon'. Only focusing on what never could have happend. So what really happend? Did they really recruit suicide bombers just to bring it down with controlled demolition? Did they remote controllably flyed the plane to the WTC while landing the other planes and killed the passengers? That's something on the line of what i'm looking.
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noeffects	Mar 28 2009, 09:43 AM Post #4
Posts: 797 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	'jet fuel can't melt steel' - I'd say most of it blew up on impact. 'no way a plane hit the Pentagon' - see Lloyd England Quote: "Did they really recruit suicide bombers just to bring it down with controlled demolition?" meh Quote: Did they remote controllably flyed the plane to the WTC while landing the other planes and killed the passengers? I don't know ....I'm asking for a new investigation. Wouldn't that be something though ...to be a patsy hijacker and all of a sudden the plane starts flying you right into a building by remote? Whats the word on the street in Israel about 911?
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asaf-a	Mar 29 2009, 02:06 AM Post #5
Posts: 40 Group: Members Member #1,103 Joined: 03/27/09	What do you mean by word on the street?
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noeffects	Mar 29 2009, 06:54 AM Post #6
Posts: 797 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: 01/22/08	when you are around people...when 911 comes up in conversation ...what do people think happened...does anyone question the 9-11 story the NWO tells us about?...
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asaf-a	Mar 29 2009, 07:29 AM Post #7
Posts: 40 Group: Members Member #1,103 Joined: 03/27/09	Well we don't talk much about 9/11 or politics at all, but i only met one man who knows about the theory but things it's way too complicated to be real, and another that saw like 5 minutes from loose change. I bet most of the people you know DON'T think it was an inside job or havn't even heard the CT.
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Sayf Udeen	Mar 30 2009, 05:12 AM Post #8
Posts: 51 Group: Members Member #802 Joined: 08/14/08	Ello Asaf.
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asaf-a	Mar 31 2009, 05:12 PM Post #9
Posts: 40 Group: Members Member #1,103 Joined: 03/27/09	Salam Aleykum Care to explain your theory of what DID happen on 9/11?
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Domenick DiMaggio	Apr 6 2009, 02:05 AM Post #10
Posts: 1,939 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	asaf-a Mar 28 2009, 05:19 AM Yeah but the thing is that most of the claims are 'jet fuel can't melt steel' or 'no way a plane hit the Pentagon'. Only focusing on what never could have happend. So what really happend? Did they really recruit suicide bombers just to bring it down with controlled demolition? Did they remote controllably flyed the plane to the WTC while landing the other planes and killed the passengers? That's something on the line of what i'm looking. spend some time reading through the subforums here and you should be able to gather a very good idea.....
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JustAdream	Apr 6 2009, 08:03 AM Post #11
Posts: 24 Group: BANNED! Member #1,084 Joined: 03/10/09	asaf-a Mar 27 2009, 07:48 PM My name is Asaf, i'm a 17 years old from Israel. I saw the movie loose change and money other CT sites and movies, and the thing that has bothered me the most is that even though many questions are unanswered, and there are many mysteries and stuff, the theory dosen't add up. No one puts it out in an organized timeline, something on the line of: 8:45 A remote-controlled plane hits the North tower. 9:20 A bomg is trigered at the south tower. etc etc.... I have to admit that this CT sound very unrealistic to me, but i'm giving you guys the benefit of a doubt. So everyone is invited to give me the story from the begining to the end. Well Asaf, -The truth about 9/11 that you might not like to hear is that criminals in your country's government and military intelligence planned and carried out 9/11. -Israel's intelligence agency, the mossad, with the help of Zionist agents in the Bush Admin, Wolfowitz, perle, feith, kristol, dobriansky, Chertoff, Zakheim, Cohen, Libby, Zelikow, as well as the CIA, run by "dual citzien" of Israel, George Tenet. -The PNAC(Project for a New American Century) planned out Iraq, and Afghanistan wars back in 1998, and even had all of the WMD talking points, and lies ready to hit the media to sell to the public. It even called for a "New Pearl Harbor" to get the public behind a big defense buildup and middle east wars. 39/79 members of the PNAC group are Jewish, and it's documents were based on Israeli thinktank documents that were already written in Israel. -9/11 was a ploy to induce the western powers to clean out Israel's enemies in the Mid-East, and that is exactly what happened. 5 Mossad agents dressed like arabs were caught filming and celebrating that attacks. They were working for a fake company called Urban Moving Systems, run by Dominic Suter, a mossad agent. There was also another truck with explosives inside that was headed for th George Washington bridge, which was also driven by Mossad Agents. And a third truck with a "Mural" painted on the side with a plane crashing into the twins was spotted by NY police, and the two people who owned the truck were also Mossad agents. -Over 200 Mossad Spies were rounded up after 9/11 for spying activities, but were ALL released and let to go back home by criminal Michael Chertoff. Many of them were part of "explosive ordinance units" in the Israeli military. -An Israeli named Daniel Lewin, who was supposedly on flight 11, was a "sayeret matkal", a secret unit in the Israeli military that specializes in "anti-hijack, aircraft takeover". - Kroll associates, "private spy agency", was running security on the WTC, and is the #1 suspect in planting the explosives. It is owned by Jules Kroll, and run by Jerome Hauer, both Jews. -Airport security at all three airports of allged hijakings, Logan, Dulles, and Newark was run by an Israeli company called ICTS, owned by Ezra Harel, and had ex-shin bet agents for employees.Whoever hijacked the plans were aided by ICTS. Most likely a group of rogue Mossad agents hijacked two planes dressed like arabs, acting out a jihadist script and landing them elsewhere, while swapped for drones, as proposed in Operation Northwoods. Op Northwoods was a U.S plan to carry out fake terror attacks and then blame it on the cubans as justification for war. By the way, Op Northwoods was proposed by Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, Lyman Lyemnitzer, a Zionist. -Larry Silverstein, and his business partner Frank Lowy leased the entire trade towers a month before the attacks, and then changed the insurance policy to specifically cover "terrorist attacks". This lease was authorized by chairman of the Port Authority of NY and NJ, Lewis Eisenberg. All three of these men are high ranking Jews in the Anti-Defamation-Leage(ADL), and the United Jewish Appeal(UJA). -Silverstein was such good friends with Benjamin Netanyahu, zionist extremist, that they would talk on the phone together every Sunday. -Why would Silverstein lease the towers, they were full of asbestos which would cost 1 billion dollars to remove. - It was an insurance scam, and false flag attacks all in one. He got 3.5 billion dollars in insurance money from the attacks. - He was helped to get this insurance settlement by the Federal Judge in New York, Michael Mukasey, who is also Jewish. -Philip Zelikow wrote the 9/11 omission commission himself, he is a "dual citizen" of Israel. -Dov Zakheim, a "dual citizen" of Israel, was the Pentagon Comptroller responsible for the $2.6 trillion that went "unaccounted for" from the Pentagon Budget announced one day before 9/11. He was a PNAC member, CFR member, and CEo of fly-by-remote control company, System Planning Corps. 2 Israeli companies got had prior knowledge of the attacks. Quote: The Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. moves their North American headquarters from the 16th floor of the WTC to Norfolk, Virginia, one week before the 9/11 attacks. The Israeli government owns 49 percent of the company. [VIRGINIAN-PILOT, 9/4/2001] http://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.com/2008/07/israeli-owned-shipping-company-moves.html Quote: Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744 Edited by JustAdream, Apr 6 2009, 08:30 AM.
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JFK	Apr 6 2009, 10:46 AM Post #12
Posts: 4,111 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	JustAdream Apr 6 2009, 08:03 AM -The PNAC(Project for a New American Century) planned out Iraq, and Afghanistan wars back in 1998, and even had all of the WMD talking points, and lies ready to hit the media to sell to the public. It even called for a "New Pearl Harbor" to get the public behind a big defense buildup and middle east wars. 39/79 members of the PNAC group are Jewish, and it's documents were based on Israeli thinktank documents that were already written in Israel. Do you have anything to substantiate the bolded portion ?
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JustAdream	Apr 6 2009, 10:40 PM Post #13
Posts: 24 Group: BANNED! Member #1,084 Joined: 03/10/09	JFK Apr 6 2009, 10:46 AM JustAdream Apr 6 2009, 08:03 AM -The PNAC(Project for a New American Century) planned out Iraq, and Afghanistan wars back in 1998, and even had all of the WMD talking points, and lies ready to hit the media to sell to the public. It even called for a "New Pearl Harbor" to get the public behind a big defense buildup and middle east wars. 39/79 members of the PNAC group are Jewish, and it's documents were based on Israeli thinktank documents that were already written in Israel. Do you have anything to substantiate the bolded portion ? The PNAC was a blueprint of the Quote: Institute for Advanced Strategic & Political Studies (IASPS), a Israel-based think tank with an affiliated office in Washington, D.C., was founded in 1984 by its president, Professor Robert J. Loewenberg. William R. Van Cleave is the director of the Division for Research in Strategy. [1][2] A profile of "strategic fellow" Paul Michael Wihbey described IASPS as "a think tank based in Israel that aims to shift America's dependency on oil from the Gulf nations -- hostile towards Israel -- to other parts of the world." Quote: "On February 1st, 2002, the US Department of State released parts of a speech of Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Walter Kansteiner, who was briefed by the Washington-Israel ThinkTank IASPS, once a blueprint for PNAC." http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Institute_for_Advanced_Strategic_%26_Political_Studies Edited by JustAdream, Apr 6 2009, 10:40 PM.
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JFK	Apr 6 2009, 11:48 PM Post #14
Posts: 4,111 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	JustAdream Apr 6 2009, 10:40 PM Institute for Advanced Strategic & Political Studies (IASPS), a Israel-based think tank with an affiliated office in Washington, D.C., was founded in 1984 by its president, Professor Robert J. Loewenberg. William R. Van Cleave is the director of the Division for Research in Strategy. [1][2] A profile of "strategic fellow" Paul Michael Wihbey described IASPS as "a think tank based in Israel that aims to shift America's dependency on oil from the Gulf nations -- hostile towards Israel -- to other parts of the world." The only problem is that the IASPS website is based just outside of Philidelphia Pennsylvania. The host name is perfora.net which means to perforate or punch. Quote: "On February 1st, 2002, the US Department of State released parts of a speech of Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Walter Kansteiner, who was briefed by the Washington-Israel ThinkTank IASPS, once a blueprint for PNAC." http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Institute_for_Advanced_Strategic_%26_Political_Studies Quote: "On February 1st, 2002, the US Department of State released parts of a speech of Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Walter Kansteiner, who was briefed by the Washington-Israel ThinkTank IASPS, once a blueprint for PNAC." http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Institute_for_Advanced_Strategic_%26_Political_Studies I followed your link and the document it is referring to is located here - http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm I will read it tommorrow.
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JustAdream	Apr 7 2009, 12:41 AM Post #15
Posts: 24 Group: BANNED! Member #1,084 Joined: 03/10/09	JFK Apr 6 2009, 11:48 PM JustAdream Apr 6 2009, 10:40 PM Institute for Advanced Strategic & Political Studies (IASPS), a Israel-based think tank with an affiliated office in Washington, D.C., was founded in 1984 by its president, Professor Robert J. Loewenberg. William R. Van Cleave is the director of the Division for Research in Strategy. [1][2] A profile of "strategic fellow" Paul Michael Wihbey described IASPS as "a think tank based in Israel that aims to shift America's dependency on oil from the Gulf nations -- hostile towards Israel -- to other parts of the world." The only problem is that the IASPS website is based just outside of Philidelphia Pennsylvania. The host name is perfora.net which means to perforate or punch. I don't understand the significance of the website location. The IASPS was an Israeli thinktank for Israel, all of the staff are Israeli Jews. 39/79 members of PNAC are Jewish, that is 50%, and is the most Pro-Israel thinktank of all time. It was talking about removing Saddam and WMD crap back in 1998. Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and Paul Wolfowitz were members of the Bush Admin defense sector and are the chief architects of the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars. All three of them have been investigated for passing secrets to Israel. Philip Zelikow wrote the pre-emptive war strategy for Iraq, and also wrote the 9/11 omission commission report himself. Dov Zakheim, a member of PNAC, was the Pentagon Comptroller when the $2.6 trillion went missing. The specific part of the Pentagon that was blown up contained all the budgetary information. That was deliberate. There was no need to attack the Pentagon, the only purpose was to destroy Dov's paper trail. Take one guess to where all that missing money went? Zakheim was a contributing author to the "Rebuilding America's Defenses" document which called for a "New Pearl Harbor" among other hideous things. What are your doubts?
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hiphopopotamus	Apr 7 2009, 11:25 AM Post #16
Posts: 211 Group: Members Member #578 Joined: 05/16/08	There is nothing in any documents you linked about the IASPS that references a "New Pearl Harbor." Maybe you could actually cite that quote before someone starts questioning your truthfulness and motives. Frankly, your continual referencing of people by their religion is highly suspect and off-putting.
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Lin Kuei	Apr 7 2009, 11:52 AM Post #17
Posts: 1,290 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: 12/22/07	hiphopopotamus Apr 7 2009, 11:25 AM Frankly, your continual referencing of people by their religion is highly suspect and off-putting. I agree. Justadream if you continue to do it you won't last here.
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JustAdream	Apr 7 2009, 02:52 PM Post #18
Posts: 24 Group: BANNED! Member #1,084 Joined: 03/10/09	hiphopopotamus Apr 7 2009, 11:25 AM There is nothing in any documents you linked about the IASPS that references a "New Pearl Harbor." Maybe you could actually cite that quote before someone starts questioning your truthfulness and motives. Frankly, your continual referencing of people by their religion is highly suspect and off-putting. I never said an IASPS referenced a New Pearl Harbour. I said PNAC was based on the IASPS thinktank which was based in Israel. Decide to read. Actually one can consider that a blatant lie and an attempt to try and get me removed for speaking the truth. Your truthfullness and motives ARE in question now. Secondly, I have the right to free speech, I can say whatever I want to as long as its in the forum rules, so don't tell me what I can or can't talk about. Thirdly, how about you address all of my other evidence and try to debunk it if you can, since you have a vested interest in defending criminal perpetrators. BTW Jewish is also a race, not only a religion. Edited by JustAdream, Apr 7 2009, 03:10 PM.
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JustAdream	Apr 7 2009, 03:01 PM Post #19
Posts: 24 Group: BANNED! Member #1,084 Joined: 03/10/09	Lin Kuei Apr 7 2009, 11:52 AM hiphopopotamus Apr 7 2009, 11:25 AM Frankly, your continual referencing of people by their religion is highly suspect and off-putting. I agree. Justadream if you continue to do it you won't last here. Lin Kuei, what are you the Gestapo around here? Nobody can have their opinion and will be banned if they don't share your "oh so primitive" gatekeeping nonsense theories? How is this free speech? All of my evidence is factual, so until you can prove it wrong, then mind your own business, and go watch loose change for the 90th time to continue to brainwash yourself. Who you working for?
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JFK	Apr 7 2009, 03:09 PM Post #20
Posts: 4,111 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	JustAdream Apr 7 2009, 03:01 PM Lin Kuei Apr 7 2009, 11:52 AM hiphopopotamus Apr 7 2009, 11:25 AM Frankly, your continual referencing of people by their religion is highly suspect and off-putting. I agree. Justadream if you continue to do it you won't last here. Lin Kuei, what are you the Gestapo around here? Nobody can have their opinion and will be banned if they don't share your "oh so primitive" gatekeeping nonsense theories? How is this free speech? All of my evidence is factual, so until you can prove it wrong, then mind your own business, and go watch loose change for the 90th time to continue to brainwash yourself. Who you working for? Second Warning.
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JustAdream	Apr 7 2009, 03:14 PM Post #21
Posts: 24 Group: BANNED! Member #1,084 Joined: 03/10/09	JFK Apr 7 2009, 03:09 PM Second Warning. For what? You can't just give out a warning for any old thing(or maybe you can, but that is abusing your power). No profanity in that statement at all, therefore a warning is uncalled for. Also explain where and what my FIRST warning was for? Edited by JustAdream, Apr 7 2009, 03:16 PM.
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JFK	Apr 7 2009, 03:24 PM Post #22
Posts: 4,111 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	JustAdream Apr 7 2009, 03:14 PM JFK Apr 7 2009, 03:09 PM Second Warning. For what? You can't just give out a warning for any old thing(or maybe you can, but that is abusing your power). No profanity in that statement at all, therefore a warning is uncalled for. Also explain where and what my FIRST warning was for? Quote: This is a privately owned forum and the administration reserves the right to restrict the participation of any user that is deemed disruptive for any reason. Your enthuastic "Jew Bashing" and painting with much too broad of a brush is your first. Your attitude against Admin here is your second. Like Lin said, keep it up and you won't last long here.
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Lin Kuei	Apr 7 2009, 03:25 PM Post #23
Posts: 1,290 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: 12/22/07	JustAdream Apr 7 2009, 03:14 PM For what? You can't just give out a warning for any old thing(or maybe you can, but that is abusing your power). how about I just ban you. This is a private forum, if an admin gives you a warning and asks you not to do something, and you continually want to have a go about it - then that's causing trouble in my opinion. Loose Change = brainwashing? LOL bye
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asaf-a	Apr 22 2009, 11:51 AM Post #24
Posts: 40 Group: Members Member #1,103 Joined: 03/27/09	you know it's like a milion replies and no one can break it down to a simple chain of event. I don't ask much, just the chain of events. I don't need to research entire forums to get the offical chain of events, and i don't need to read entire forums to get the conspiracy. Here's what everybody thinks: Some terrorists are pissed off with americans, and decide to attack them. Terrorists hijack flight 11, say allah huakbar, crash it to the WTC Terrorists hijack flight i-don't remmember-which,say allah huakbar, crash it to the wtc Terrorists hijack flight 77, say allah huakbar, crash it to the Pentagon Terrorists hijack flight 93, say what the hell are those guys in the back doing, crash it to some open field. You don't need to read or know so much in order to write this type of thing about the conspiracy. Edited by asaf-a, Apr 23 2009, 07:23 AM.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Apr 23 2009, 03:03 AM Post #25
Posts: 1,939 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	i decided to erase my post. if you want to be lazy go ahead. but i will leave this part: list of 9/11 commission members Quote: The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) "obstructed our investigation". The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free subscription required). Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations. 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history. 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ." 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting" Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up". 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way - conflicts of interest". The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true." Edited by Domenick DiMaggio, Apr 23 2009, 03:08 AM.
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