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Legal Tax Loophole?
Topic Started: Mar 11 2008, 03:15 AM (225 Views)
mynameis
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Are in vitro children "natural persons" as defined by all applicable State Law, Federal UCC, and International Law? Discuss...?

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Person def.

11.) Law. a human being (natural person) or a group of human beings, a corporation, a partnership, an estate, or other legal entity (artificial person or juristic person) recognized by law as having rights and duties.


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in vitro def.

(of a biological process) made to occur in a laboratory vessel or other controlled experimental environment rather than within a living organism or natural setting.


If they aren't human beings aren't they homo-invitiru/os? A different genus all together different classification?
Edited by mynameis, Mar 11 2008, 03:30 AM.
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JimBob
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Since test tube babies and other babies are formed from humans, they are the same species. No loophole here.

A difference that makes no difference is no difference at all. (J. Blish; Spock Must Die)
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mynameis
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In law definitions matter and they aren't natural persons.
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JimBob
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Until a law is passed that differentiates a person conceived by sexual intercourse and gestating in the womb from those who are artificially inseminated or fertilized in a dish and/or gestated outside the uterus; any human is going to be legally a natural person. They will be able to enjoy all the rights and be subjected to the responsibilities of any other person until then.
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mynameis
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Mar 11 2008, 01:52 PM
Until a law is passed that differentiates a person conceived by sexual intercourse and gestating in the womb from those who are artificially inseminated or fertilized in a dish and/or gestated outside the uterus; any human is going to be legally a natural person. They will be able to enjoy all the rights and be subjected to the responsibilities of any other person until then.
Why are you so defensive about the facts? The definitions and the law are facts which speak for themselves. Are you a legal expert? I'm not, but I'm sure this is a loophole as defined by the everyday definitions. This can also be brought into court and exploited. I am not arguing they aren't rational beings, but they aren't natural human beings by definition.
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JimBob
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I disagree with you. Test tube babies are natural humans.
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mynameis
Mar 11 2008, 02:17 PM
JimBob
Mar 11 2008, 01:52 PM
Until a law is passed that differentiates a person conceived by sexual intercourse and gestating in the womb from those who are artificially inseminated or fertilized in a dish and/or gestated outside the uterus; any human is going to be legally a natural person. They will be able to enjoy all the rights and be subjected to the responsibilities of any other person until then.
Why are you so defensive about the facts? The definitions and the law are facts which speak for themselves. Are you a legal expert? I'm not, but I'm sure this is a loophole as defined by the everyday definitions. This can also be brought into court and exploited. I am not arguing they aren't rational beings, but they aren't natural human beings by definition.
I have side with "natural person". Where or how the conception took place is not covered by the law. A child born to non-u.s. people within the u.s. is a citizen. If the u.s. passes a discriminatory law creating a class distinction between in-vitro and in-utero conception, it will make the race riots look like a New Years' Eve Party.

People are getting sick of discriminationn when we are all of one species.
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