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What I believe happened......
Topic Started: Feb 27 2009, 06:51 PM (1,469 Views)
DoYouEverWonder	Mar 6 2009, 07:17 AM Post #26
Posts: 428 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: 01/24/08	Thanks for all the hard work! Is it okay to copy your story in some other places where I post (that you don't) Thanks DYEW
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Domenick DiMaggio	Mar 8 2009, 11:33 PM Post #27
Posts: 1,966 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	RUkiddin Mar 5 2009, 11:25 PM Domenick DiMaggio Mar 5 2009, 07:45 PM RUkiddin Mar 5 2009, 07:25 PM The coroner, Wallace Miller, personally positively ID'd 11 flight 93 victims. source? My mistake: Miller personally identified 12 of the victims, not 11. The source is Wallace Miller. The link is right there on the page I linked to. I'm surprised you didn't know this, given the length of time you've spent on this. well if you watched my interview that i personally conducted with mr. miller you could hear him say something different with his own mouth. i'm surprised you haven't done this considering you're obviously trying to educate someone about this event who appears to be quite knowledgable.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Mar 8 2009, 11:47 PM Post #28
Posts: 1,966 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	hamba Mar 6 2009, 04:36 AM Dom, thank you for posting this. Yet, most of it is difficult to understand in a contextual sense. If you could rewrite it with a timeline, it would be easier to understand. One could get a better picture of who was there when. i.e. time Susan saw the white plane, time Val saw the explosion and so on. Correlations can be drawn and a better overall understanding of the events can be made. A well formatted timeline will be very useful in proving some points. thank you and let me apologize to everyone for not taking more time to write it out better. seeing how most of the duhbunking has been attacks against me and my writing [or therfor lack of] skills minus a weak statement from mark roberts that i instantly picked apart. i wrote this at like 3 in the morning and posted it without proof reading it or correcting any errors and to be honest with the lack of interest in shanksville i didn't expect it to get the attention it has. perhaps you could ask some questions to help me be able to further clarify this? flight 93 would start with bob blair & doug miller on route 30 just prior to stoystown auto wreckers heading in a southeasternly direction which takes it directly over viola's house. the plane then passes the crash site and continues onward towards indian lake. it flies over mcclatchey's house as she hears it overhead and she is located directly between the lake and the crash site. as this is happening susan mcelwain is approaching the stop sign on bridge st. in stoystown. this is why she does not see a 757 in the sky. as mcclatchey looks out the window what she really catches a glimpse of is the little white plane susan and the other witnesses described. this is what probably motivated her to grab her camera in the first place. since flight 93 did not travel from indian lake towards the crash site for mcclatchey to hear it then it would have already been overtop of her on its way to indian lake. this is when all the indian lake witness accounts come into effect. barry lichty in loose change final cut specifically states that it came from the crash site but insists it wasn't 93 because he believes the official story is true. if the official flight path is true then the indian lake accounts cannot exist. every single one of them state hearing the plane fly over. john fleegle posted in this thread also describes it the same.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Mar 8 2009, 11:48 PM Post #29
Posts: 1,966 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	DoYouEverWonder Mar 6 2009, 07:17 AM Thanks for all the hard work! <br /><br />Is it okay to copy your story in some other places where I post (that you don't)<br /><br />Thanks<br />DYEW<br /> thank you! feel free and bring any questions that arise!!
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Domenick DiMaggio	Apr 6 2009, 03:03 AM Post #30
Posts: 1,966 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	kudos to the amazing research of woody box for the following.... Quote: Thanks for your research and all the time and money you have invested, Domenick. I can contribute a radio snippet between Cleveland Center and NEADS: Quote: 10:08:32 Cleveland Center: All I know is UAL93 has a confirmed bomb on board 10:09:01 NEADS: Was that confirmed by the pilot? 10:09:08 Cleveland Center: It was confirmed on the frequency 10:09:19 NEADS: Do you have his Mode 3 or last known mode 3? 10:09:39 Cleveland Center: His last Mode was 1527, and I have the latlongs...three niner five one north..zero seven eight four six west..can you scramble on it? Source (scroll down to page 8) 39.51 North, 78.46 West - these are the last known position coordinates of UAL93 as observed by Cleveland Center. This point is about ten miles southeast of Indian Lake. It looks like Cleveland Center confirms Domenick's finds. Edited by Domenick DiMaggio, Apr 6 2009, 03:03 AM.
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Woody Box	Apr 7 2009, 02:31 PM Post #31
Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	Domenick DiMaggio Apr 6 2009, 03:03 AM kudos to the amazing research of woody box for the following.... Quote: Thanks for your research and all the time and money you have invested, Domenick. I can contribute a radio snippet between Cleveland Center and NEADS: Quote: 10:08:32 Cleveland Center: All I know is UAL93 has a confirmed bomb on board 10:09:01 NEADS: Was that confirmed by the pilot? 10:09:08 Cleveland Center: It was confirmed on the frequency 10:09:19 NEADS: Do you have his Mode 3 or last known mode 3? 10:09:39 Cleveland Center: His last Mode was 1527, and I have the latlongs...three niner five one north..zero seven eight four six west..can you scramble on it? Source (scroll down to page 8) 39.51 North, 78.46 West - these are the last known position coordinates of UAL93 as observed by Cleveland Center. This point is about ten miles southeast of Indian Lake. It looks like Cleveland Center confirms Domenick's finds. Hi Domenick I don't know how I was able to miss this thread and only detected it on DU a few days ago. Magnificent work, and thanks for contacting all these people. Finally the jigsaw pieces come together. My kudos go to http://911workinggroup.org with their files - internal FAA or 911Commission papers released via FOIA. Most of the files are redundant, but some of them carry really hot information, like the one you quoted. In my "private library" I found another jigsaw piece: At this same time ((about 10 o'clock)), Herndon Command Center advised FAA headquarters that "United ninety three was spotted by a VFR at eight thousand feet, eleven, eleven miles south of Indianhead, just north of Cumberland, Maryland. http://www.archives.gov/legislative/research/9-11/staff-report-sept2005.pdf, p.45 The geographical data are a little bit confusing here. "Just north of Cumberland" fits very well to the 39.51N,78.46W position, but where is Indianhead, PA? At the first look, the only possibility seems to be "Indianhead VORTAC", a navigation aid for airliners, located near Seven Springs 7 miles west of Somerset: http://www.fltplan.com/nav/IHD.htm This would put UA93 about 13 miles southwest of Somerset and about 20 miles southwest of Indian Lake, but this point is too odd to be correct, and it's definitely not "just north of Cumberland, Maryland". I believe therefore that the controller (or someone else) who received the message misheard the pilot of the plane. If we take "Indian Lake" instead of "Indianhead", the data begin to make sense: 11 miles south of Indian Lake/just north of Cumberland - this fits together and is very close to 39.51N,78.46W. It's difficult to re-interpet an obviously erroneous message, but does someone have a better idea how "Indianhead" has to be interpreted? Edited by Woody Box, Apr 7 2009, 02:43 PM.
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Woody Box	Apr 7 2009, 02:38 PM Post #32
Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	Addendum: The latlong 39.51N,78.46 are to be read sexagesimal (degree/minutes/seconds), not decimal. If you take them on googlemap, which has a decimal measure, you end up at "Paw Paw" at the Maryland/West Virginia border, and this point is inside the airspace of Washington Center, not Cleveland Center, therefore it can't be true. Also I'm sure that pilots and ATC used (and still use) sexagesimal, no decimal latlongs.
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Boonedoggled	Apr 7 2009, 04:18 PM Post #33
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	Woody Box I believe therefore that the controller (or someone else) who received the message misheard the pilot of the plane. If we take "Indian Lake" instead of "Indianhead", the data begin to make sense: 11 miles south of Indian Lake/just north of Cumberland - this fits together and is very close to 39.51N,78.46W. It's difficult to re-interpet an obviously erroneous message, but does someone have a better idea how "Indianhead" has to be interpreted? Indianhead is also a sector in Cleveland Center, but I haven't looked into the geographical references, yet. The pilot that spotted Flight 93 shortly before the crash was flying N56865, a Piper Arrow (PA-28/R). September 19, 2001 newspaper article. Controller's written statement from 911 Working Group FOIA. Page 12. John Farmer posted the recording a few days ago: AAL77.com If you're curious, the transcript you linked to earlier, between Cleveland and Huntress, came from this recording: http://www.aal77.com/faa/faa_atc/zob/mp3/2%20ZOB%2036%20MOS%201401-1440%20UTC%20AP.mp3 N20VF being vectored to the crash scene. N20VF over the crash scene. The pilot mentions an open field near a line of trees at the end of the dirt road. Edited by Boonedoggled, Apr 7 2009, 04:37 PM.
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Woody Box	Apr 11 2009, 03:02 PM Post #34
Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	Boonedoggled Apr 7 2009, 04:18 PM The pilot that spotted Flight 93 shortly before the crash was flying N56865, a Piper Arrow (PA-28/R). September 19, 2001 newspaper article. Sorry, but you're wrong, Boonedoggled. The Piper spotted UA93 before the "crash", near Latrobe, west of Johnstown. The pilot's name was Bill Wright, and I have extensively researched the issue here: http://911review.org/brad.com/Woodybox/Plane_Swap_Over_Pennsylvania_Flight_93.html This is neither "11 miles south of Indianhead" nor "just north of Cumberland". Hence the VFR plane who spotted UA93 there was not the Bill Wright'S Piper. It was a different plane. Edited by Woody Box, Apr 11 2009, 03:03 PM.
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Boonedoggled	Apr 12 2009, 01:26 PM Post #35
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	Woody Box This is neither "11 miles south of Indianhead" nor "just north of Cumberland". Hence the VFR plane who spotted UA93 there was not the Bill Wright'S Piper. It was a different plane. I see. There were two VFR aircraft that spotted United 93 at 8000 feet, around 10 a.m. I'll listen for this second aircraft in the audio recordings, I must've missed the first time.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Apr 13 2009, 06:45 AM Post #36
Posts: 1,966 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Boonedoggled Apr 12 2009, 01:26 PM Woody Box This is neither "11 miles south of Indianhead" nor "just north of Cumberland". Hence the VFR plane who spotted UA93 there was not the Bill Wright'S Piper. It was a different plane. I see. There were two VFR aircraft that spotted United 93 at 8000 feet, around 10 a.m. I'll listen for this second aircraft in the audio recordings, I must've missed the first time. the plane flew over the crash site and continued on over indian lake boondoggled. no one witnessed it crash in the field because it didn't. the only person who could have possibly witnessed this was lee purbaugh. but since we have all the accounts from indian lake we know lee purbaugh cannot be telling the truth. and since we have all the accounts of the little white plane we know lee purbaugh cannot be telling the truth. there was only 1 plane that spotted it at that time. it was wright in his piper. john farmer doesn't know a thing about shanksville. he is a proven agent of disinformation..... and wright did not witness it crash nor was he near it when it did. http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/966339/detail.html Edited by Domenick DiMaggio, Apr 13 2009, 06:46 AM.
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