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Sgt Lagasse Stands By Placement of the Plane; After Seeing The PentaCon
Topic Started: Feb 27 2009, 04:38 PM (3,422 Views)
Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 27 2009, 04:38 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: Obviously what I saw happened, therefore the conclusions made by people who didnt see it can be flawed...I accept the fact that there can be miscalculations on my part, but NOT whether or not the plane was on the North or South side of the gas station." ~Sgt William Lagasse after watching The PentaCon and responding to the ASCE (and ultimately Pseudoskeptics) So Sgt Lagasse knows about the implications of the what he saw and he stands by it. How do you feel about this skeptics? He had a chance to back out of it and he didn't. Do you still believe the plane flew on the south side of the Citgo?
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Miragememories	Feb 27 2009, 04:46 PM Post #2
Posts: 758 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	I'm not surprised to hear that Sgt Lagasse confirms his original statement. I would like to hear more about his feelings regarding the significance of this major contradiction to the official story. Has he joined the 9/11 Truth Movement or has he rationalized some bizarre explanation for this serious anomaly? MM
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BoneZ	Feb 27 2009, 05:38 PM Post #3
Posts: 723 Group: Members Member #269 Joined: 02/03/08	Excellent information, Aldo. Are you going to post this at ATS also? I would love to hear what the skeptics like jthomas have to say about this. I've been putting jthomas in his place over there and even got a boost in points from a mod for it.
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justfacts	Feb 27 2009, 05:49 PM Post #4
Posts: 260 Group: BANNED! Member #874 Joined: 10/02/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 27 2009, 04:38 PM Quote: Obviously what I saw happened, therefore the conclusions made by people who didnt see it can be flawed...I accept the fact that there can be miscalculations on my part, but NOT whether or not the plane was on the North or South side of the gas station." ~Sgt William Lagasse after watching The PentaCon and responding to the ASCE (and ultimately Pseudoskeptics) So Sgt Lagasse knows about the implications of the what he saw and he stands by it. How do you feel about this skeptics? He had a chance to back out of it and he didn't. Do you still believe the plane flew on the south side of the Citgo? Well, based on the quote that you just posted I don't know what to think. Your penchant to edit everything has removed all the meaning from your quote - which was it that Lagasse believes he could not have miscalculated; the north side or the south side? Just curious - what came between "flawed...I"?
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BoneZ	Feb 27 2009, 05:52 PM Post #5
Posts: 723 Group: Members Member #269 Joined: 02/03/08	justfacts Feb 27 2009, 05:49 PM Just curious - what came between "flawed...I"? The underlined part says it all and is separate from the "edited" part.
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bryan26	Feb 27 2009, 05:55 PM Post #6
troll Posts: 66 Group: BANNED! Member #1,067 Joined: 02/23/09	Has anyone ever asked him why he said he saw the plane enter the pentagon? Why he said the cab and the poles were north of their documented and factual positions? He is the only one who can say what he deduced or assumed. He was there and we were not. It amazes me how some will say how wrong he is about many aspects of the event, but believe him when he says the plane flew right next to him. In a court of law he would come off looking like someone who isn't sure what he actually saw, and most would dismiss his testimony.



Avenger	Feb 28 2009, 06:49 PM Post #7
Posts: 574 Group: Members Member #17 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: Has anyone ever asked him why he said he saw the plane enter the pentagon? I think he said he didn't see what the plane did after it hit because of the fireball. Quote: Why he said the cab and the poles were north of their documented and factual positions? Because he saw the plane north of their documented and factual positions. Quote: He is the only one who can say what he deduced or assumed. Not necessarily. Quote: It amazes me how some will say how wrong he is about many aspects of the event, but believe him when he says the plane flew right next to him. What do you mean by many aspects? There are only two major areas of contention: the trajectory and impact vs no impact. Obviously, both can't be true. I would say he thought he saw the plane hit because he EXPECTED to the see the plane hit right up until he saw the fireball, which hid the plane just when he thought it would hit and created the illusion that it hit. There was no such illusion to hide the trajectory of the plane, though. Quote: In a court of law he would come off looking like someone who isn't sure what he actually saw, and most would dismiss his testimony. Seemed pretty sure to me. He and 12 other witnesses place the plane north of the CITGO. How many say south of CITGO besides Keith Wheelhouse, the shadow plane witness? How many shadow plane witnesses are there vs NOC witnesses? There are witnesses who corroborate Lagasse's story.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Mar 5 2009, 01:14 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	justfacts Feb 27 2009, 05:49 PM Your penchant to edit everything has removed all the meaning from your quote - which was it that Lagasse believes he could not have miscalculated; the north side or the south side? GFY, punk. We didn't edit shit. Just like we haven't edited anything of significance out of our interviews. This is what he said, go confirm it with him, you chickenshit coward.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Mar 5 2009, 01:17 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Miragememories Feb 27 2009, 04:46 PM I'm not surprised to hear that Sgt Lagasse confirms his original statement. I would like to hear more about his feelings regarding the significance of this major contradiction to the official story. Has he joined the 9/11 Truth Movement or has he rationalized some bizarre explanation for this serious anomaly? MM This is from our e-mails from way back with him, shortly after we released the PentaCon. He would not capitulate on the impact during this e-mail exchange(it was way too fresh), although we convinced him of the pole locations. I have no idea what he thinks now. Sgt Brooks, told us our movie was an "eye-opener" and admitted "anything is possible" when it came to him being fooled. No he is not part of the truth movement.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Mar 5 2009, 01:18 PM Post #10
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	BoneZ Feb 27 2009, 05:38 PM Excellent information, Aldo. Are you going to post this at ATS also? I would love to hear what the skeptics like jthomas have to say about this. I've been putting jthomas in his place over there and even got a boost in points from a mod for it. You're welcome Bonez. Sorry for the delay inr sponse. I forgot all about this thread lol. Craig has posted it before. Not like it matters. These people are in severe denial. They are lucky they aren't standing in front of me.
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espresso	Mar 5 2009, 04:40 PM Post #11
Posts: 124 Group: Skeptics Member #1,078 Joined: 03/05/09	Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 27 2009, 04:38 PM Quote: Obviously what I saw happened, therefore the conclusions made by people who didnt see it can be flawed...I accept the fact that there can be miscalculations on my part, but NOT whether or not the plane was on the North or South side of the gas station." ~Sgt William Lagasse after watching The PentaCon and responding to the ASCE (and ultimately Pseudoskeptics) So Sgt Lagasse knows about the implications of the what he saw and he stands by it. How do you feel about this skeptics? He had a chance to back out of it and he didn't. Did he "back out" of his claim that the plane hit the Pentagon? or does he stand by that claim as well?



Aldo Marquis CIT	Mar 5 2009, 05:05 PM Post #12
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	espresso Mar 5 2009, 04:40 PM Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 27 2009, 04:38 PM Quote: Obviously what I saw happened, therefore the conclusions made by people who didnt see it can be flawed...I accept the fact that there can be miscalculations on my part, but NOT whether or not the plane was on the North or South side of the gas station." ~Sgt William Lagasse after watching The PentaCon and responding to the ASCE (and ultimately Pseudoskeptics) So Sgt Lagasse knows about the implications of the what he saw and he stands by it. How do you feel about this skeptics? He had a chance to back out of it and he didn't. Did he "back out" of his claim that the plane hit the Pentagon? or does he stand by that claim as well? I don't know why don't you ask him Jrefer? Or maybe you can tell us how the plane APPROACHED FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE GAS STATION, hit the light poles, showed up low and level across the lawn as seen in the gate cam video, hit the fence/gen trailer with it's right wing/engine, and skimmed into the first floor causing the directional damage leading the C ring hole as outlined by the ASCE. Are you saying the plane can do all that after approaching from the north side of the Citgo?
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espresso	Mar 5 2009, 05:18 PM Post #13
Posts: 124 Group: Skeptics Member #1,078 Joined: 03/05/09	Aldo Marquis CIT Mar 5 2009, 05:05 PM espresso Mar 5 2009, 04:40 PM Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 27 2009, 04:38 PM Quote: Obviously what I saw happened, therefore the conclusions made by people who didnt see it can be flawed...I accept the fact that there can be miscalculations on my part, but NOT whether or not the plane was on the North or South side of the gas station." ~Sgt William Lagasse after watching The PentaCon and responding to the ASCE (and ultimately Pseudoskeptics) So Sgt Lagasse knows about the implications of the what he saw and he stands by it. How do you feel about this skeptics? He had a chance to back out of it and he didn't. Did he "back out" of his claim that the plane hit the Pentagon? or does he stand by that claim as well? I don't know why don't you ask him Jrefer? So you didn't ask him whether he stood by his claim that it flew into the Pentagon? Why not? It seems like kind of an important question since he claims the plane did both.



Aldo Marquis CIT	Mar 5 2009, 05:51 PM Post #14
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	espresso Mar 5 2009, 05:18 PM So you didn't ask him whether he stood by his claim that it flew into the Pentagon? Why not? It seems like kind of an important question since he claims the plane did both. No that wasn't the issue in the e-mails. He was dealing with the light poles. His belief in an impact was redcued to telling us that his friends stood outside gaurding "debris" at the C ring hole. Didn't you watch the video? Don't you understand that the plane can't do both? Of course you don't. Because you are a _______ who would rather bend reality to make it fit into your bed time story so you can feel like you duhbunked the evil CIT. You do understand the plane can't do both right? Right? Don't you? You do understand that right? Right? You do, right? You do know that right? You can't be that stupid, can you? Did you even read what I typed? How come you didn't respond to it? How come you didn't explain to everyone how the plane can approach from the north side of the Citgo and do all of what I mentioned? ooohh, because you were more preoccupied with trying to make me look inept and make it seem that Lagasse saw an impact (when he couldn't since he saw a plane on NoC) Ok gotcha. Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Mar 5 2009, 05:51 PM.
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espresso	Mar 5 2009, 06:00 PM Post #15
Posts: 124 Group: Skeptics Member #1,078 Joined: 03/05/09	Aldo Marquis CIT Mar 5 2009, 05:51 PM espresso Mar 5 2009, 05:18 PM So you didn't ask him whether he stood by his claim that it flew into the Pentagon? Why not? It seems like kind of an important question since he claims the plane did both. No that wasn't the issue in the e-mails. He was dealing with the light poles. His belief in an impact was redcued to telling us that his friends stood outside gaurding "debris" at the C ring hole. Didn't you watch the video? Don't you understand that the plane can't do both? Of course you don't. Because you are a _______ who would rather bend reality to make it fit into your bed time story so you can feel like you duhbunked the evil CIT. You do understand the plane can't do both right? Right? Don't you? You do understand that right? Right? You do, right? You do know that right? You can't be that stupid, can you? Did you even read what I typed? How come you didn't respond to it? How come you didn't explain to everyone how the plane can approach from the north side of the Citgo and do all of what I mentioned? ooohh, because you were more preoccupied with trying to make me look inept and make it seem that Lagasse saw an impact (when he couldn't since he saw a plane on NoC) Ok gotcha. I understand that the plane can't do both. It's Mr. Lagasse who apparently doesn't understand that. Does that make him a _______ who would rather bend reality to make it fit into his bed time story?



Aldo Marquis CIT	Mar 5 2009, 06:29 PM Post #16
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	espresso Mar 5 2009, 06:00 PM I understand that the plane can't do both. It's Mr. Lagasse who apparently doesn't understand that. Does that make him a _______ who would rather bend reality to make it fit into his bed time story? No he is a genuine witness who was fooled and was dealing with a very confusing and emotionally/mentally distressing subject. You on the other hand, were not there and was not involved in the event. He told you that he saw the plane on the north side of the Citgo, admitted he flinched after he saw the plane and jumped into his car, then admitted that the fireball prevented him from seeing what the plane did, THEEEENNN we told you what the implications of that were and you agree. Yet here you are trying to bend reality to make it fit into your bedtime story. That makes you a _________, you mother______ piece of _________!
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JFK	Mar 5 2009, 06:33 PM Post #17
Posts: 4,218 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Aldo, chill out man Espresso Does your immediate employer know that you are using one of his computer to be here since that computer you are posting from is owned by us US taxpayers ? Edited by JFK, Mar 5 2009, 06:34 PM.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Mar 5 2009, 06:40 PM Post #18
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	JFK Mar 5 2009, 06:33 PM Aldo, chill out man I can't. Not when I have to deal with these "people" on constant basis while the repeat their shit repeatedly until I am frustrated. Isn't there something you can impose to make them either go and interview these witnesses or 14 SoC witnesses on location in order to discuss or "debate" our evidence? We know they won't but at least we won't have to listen this shit over and over again.
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JFK	Mar 5 2009, 06:52 PM Post #19
Posts: 4,218 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Mar 5 2009, 06:40 PM JFK Mar 5 2009, 06:33 PM Aldo, chill out man I can't. Not when I have to deal with these "people" on constant basis while the repeat their shit repeatedly until I am frustrated. Isn't there something you can impose to make them either go and interview these witnesses or 14 SoC witnesses on location in order to discuss or "debate" our evidence? We know they won't but at least we won't have to listen this shit over and over again. You know that trolls, especially government ones are only here with the intent of infuriating you. Thus far espresso has not crossed the line, when he does he will be banned, and that will likely be an IP ban because frankly he should be working on fixing what his "division" of government has royally fucked up in this country rather than being here.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Mar 5 2009, 07:03 PM Post #20
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SPreston	Mar 5 2009, 07:23 PM Post #21
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Mar 5 2009, 06:40 PM JFK Mar 5 2009, 06:33 PM Aldo, chill out man I can't. Not when I have to deal with these "people" on constant basis while the repeat their shit repeatedly until I am frustrated. Isn't there something you can impose to make them either go and interview these witnesses or 14 SoC witnesses on location in order to discuss or "debate" our evidence? We know they won't but at least we won't have to listen this shit over and over again. Yes you can Aldo. Just ignore these GL trolls. None of us will think less of you if you do not reply to their idiocy. I read their nonsense and just laugh at how obvious their loyalty to the 9-11 perps really is. You can chill Aldo and save your good research for the open-minded people who visit us. Right?



Aldo Marquis CIT	Mar 5 2009, 07:57 PM Post #22
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	u be right SP. F em.
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espresso	Mar 6 2009, 09:39 AM Post #23
Posts: 124 Group: Skeptics Member #1,078 Joined: 03/05/09	Aldo Marquis CIT Mar 5 2009, 05:05 PM espresso Mar 5 2009, 04:40 PM Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 27 2009, 04:38 PM Quote: Obviously what I saw happened, therefore the conclusions made by people who didnt see it can be flawed...I accept the fact that there can be miscalculations on my part, but NOT whether or not the plane was on the North or South side of the gas station." ~Sgt William Lagasse after watching The PentaCon and responding to the ASCE (and ultimately Pseudoskeptics) So Sgt Lagasse knows about the implications of the what he saw and he stands by it. How do you feel about this skeptics? He had a chance to back out of it and he didn't. Did he "back out" of his claim that the plane hit the Pentagon? or does he stand by that claim as well? I don't know why don't you ask him Jrefer? Or maybe you can tell us how the plane APPROACHED FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE GAS STATION, hit the light poles, showed up low and level across the lawn as seen in the gate cam video, hit the fence/gen trailer with it's right wing/engine, and skimmed into the first floor causing the directional damage leading the C ring hole as outlined by the ASCE. Are you saying the plane can do all that after approaching from the north side of the Citgo? If you want me to ask him...fine. PM me lagasse's e-mail info and I'll contact him and post the results here. Remember, Lagasse is the one claiming that the plane went North of the citgo AND impacted which we know to be impossible.



Aldo Marquis CIT	Mar 6 2009, 12:35 PM Post #24
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	espresso Mar 6 2009, 09:39 AM If you want me to ask him...fine. PM me lagasse's e-mail info and I'll contact him and post the results here. Remember, Lagasse is the one claiming that the plane went North of the citgo AND impacted which we know to be impossible. Absolutely. Impossible. Um, but I obviously can't give you his personal e-mail. But you can start here if you'd like: Pentagon Police Directorate http://www.pfpa.mil/ppd.html 703-697-1001 I think if you call and simply ask for him, they will either transfer you or they will give his cell#. But he is scared shitless, they are telling him not to talk. You saw the OC Weekly hit piece(of shit) on us where he contacted Lagasse and Lagasse couldn't even talk about it. He couldn't talk about the north side approach without permission from the PA office. HE NEVER NEEDED PERMISSION TO TALK ABOUT IT BEFORE! And when Nick Schoundrel contacted them, their reply back was: Quote: When reached at the Pentagon Force Protection Agency (PFPA)—the official name of the Pentagon police agency, where he's now a lieutenant—Lagasse groaned when he heard the names Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis and said he couldn't comment without permission from a press officer. Chris Layman, a PFPA spokesman, said the agency now prohibits officers from speaking directly to the media, but he sent the Weekly a brief, written statement saying the Pentagon "was hit by American Airlines Flight 77 at 9:37 a.m., killing all 64 passengers and crew and 15 Pentagon employees," that the event was "witnessed by hundreds of people," and while some "have their own theories," the "facts have been verified and are clear." Nothing suspicious there. We have our own "theories"? What their officers saw is a theory? LOL. You aren't the media, so maybe you will get through. Good luck! Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Mar 6 2009, 12:38 PM.
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espresso	Mar 6 2009, 01:24 PM Post #25
Posts: 124 Group: Skeptics Member #1,078 Joined: 03/05/09	Aldo Marquis CIT Mar 6 2009, 12:35 PM espresso Mar 6 2009, 09:39 AM If you want me to ask him...fine. PM me lagasse's e-mail info and I'll contact him and post the results here. Remember, Lagasse is the one claiming that the plane went North of the citgo AND impacted which we know to be impossible. Absolutely. Impossible. Um, but I obviously can't give you his personal e-mail. But you can start here if you'd like: Pentagon Police Directorate http://www.pfpa.mil/ppd.html 703-697-1001 I think if you call and simply ask for him, they will either transfer you or they will give his cell#. But he is scared shitless, they are telling him not to talk. I'm not going to call & bother the man at work...especially if he's been instructed not to talk about this. I've got no problem sending him a personal e-mail but I'm not going to do anything that may get him in trouble. Since you have his personal e-mail address, why don't you just e-mail him. Unless he is now refusing to talk to you, this seems like the best approach. Specific questions I'm interested in would be whether he stands by his impact claim, and whether he understands that it's impossible that the plane both flew north of the citgo and impacted the Pentagon. The answers to these questions would clear up a lot of the speculation in this thread.



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