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| Topic Started: Feb 12 2009, 07:51 PM (1,356 Views) | |
| AYAM1MAYA | Feb 12 2009, 07:51 PM Post #1 |
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Greetings all, I have been in the midst of an ongoing debate with some of my close friends regarding of course 9/11 truth. A friend that shares my position has tried unsuccessfully to persuade our staunchest opponent with the information the LooseChange videos provide. Here's what he had to say about LooseChange: "...one of the most relentlessly dishonest pieces of filmmaking I've ever seen. Where it doesn't lie, it distorts. Where it doesn't distort, it omits. Where it doesn't omit, it misdirects. It is absolutely worthless as a source of factual information." Now I have all kinds of love and respect for all my brothers and sisters, or I wouldn't bother trying to share with them. I think it likely that many of you have experienced similar people's irrational resistance to what to me is overwhelming evidence. The aforementioned friend pointed to the "Screw Loose Change" video on Youtube as sound "debunking" of the 2nd Edition which I'm sure many have heard of. My question is: has there been any official rebuttal of this spurious video? Thanks and God bless, Eddie Robertson |
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| m0n3yman | Feb 12 2009, 08:12 PM Post #2 |
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I'd recommend Loose Change: Final Cut which provides a pretty thoroughly researched platform and unbiased position in areas such as the Pentagon. |
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| Paul Tassopulos | Feb 14 2009, 01:36 AM Post #3 |
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Thank you, Mr. Robertson. You have my deepest respect and gratitude. Full Size .jpg Wikipedia on Maya PAUL'S TOTALLY RADICAL LC FORUMS BLOG! Edited by Paul Tassopulos, Feb 17 2009, 01:47 AM.
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| AYAM1MAYA | Mar 1 2009, 07:33 PM Post #4 |
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Thanks to you as well. Art has the power to heal our collective wounds. Namaste brother, ER Edited by AYAM1MAYA, Mar 1 2009, 07:36 PM.
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| Aldo Marquis CIT | Mar 3 2009, 04:45 PM Post #5 |
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There are several errors in the first 2 editions. So I wouldn't show them those. If you are looking to provide actual hard hitting evidence, then you may want to take a look at the eyewitnesses we interviewed. ThePentaCon.com Also, the Pentagon cab driver has pretty much admitted involvement in the attacks when he thought he was off camera. See this video and my signature below... http://thepentacon.com/eyeofthestorm.htm Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Mar 3 2009, 04:47 PM.
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| Paul Tassopulos | Mar 6 2009, 08:31 PM Post #6 |
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Namaste, brother. This is the first track off Sacred Chants of Shiva by Craig Pruess. My favorite CD ever. Thanks Craig. Shivas Manas Puja - Download .mp3 Edited by Paul Tassopulos, Mar 8 2009, 09:14 PM.
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| JustAdream | Mar 10 2009, 07:35 PM Post #7 |
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Aldo is right. CIT has done the most thorough investigation to date. They have 13 eye witnesses who all corroborate a North Side Flyover, which completely debunks the official story. Also a witness to an actual flyover too which is incredible, Roosevelt Roberts I think his name was. Lloyd England has admitted his involvement. |
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| Dr Zaius | Mar 11 2009, 06:13 PM Post #8 |
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I think the 4th Edition is best. It was digitally remastered and has more CGI in it. With Charlie Sheen leading the investigation. Dr. Zaius |
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| Paul Tassopulos | Mar 11 2009, 06:34 PM Post #9 |
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 Artwork by Peter Revere Full Size .jpeg |
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| AYAM1MAYA | Mar 11 2009, 10:32 PM Post #10 |
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Awesome. Thanks to all! |
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| shevy19 | Jul 25 2009, 02:31 AM Post #11 |
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I don't get 9/11 Quote "truthers" because the obvious lies in movies like Loose Change are very numerous. That is why you can't rebuttal the debunkers, because they are right. You cherry pick information, lie, misrepresent facts and contradict yourself. Answer this, if a cruise missile hit the Pentagon how come 5 lamp post are knocked down and a huge generator moved. Remember this is evidence you use to say no plane hit the building as well. You can't have it both ways. There is no official report that the heat of the American Airlines Flight 77 crash vaporized the plane and many pieces of the plane were recovered, as well body parts of the dead of the passengers. As well the hole shown in Loose Change is the wrong entire point as if the camera is moved to the right you will see a 90 foot entire hole engulfed in flames. I could continue but there is no point. My question is why do you believe in a conspiracy theory with so many flaws and that's just with the pentagon. |
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| JFK | Jul 25 2009, 08:09 AM Post #12 |
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Obviously you are new and have only watched the original Loose Change which was made long before much information was publicly available. The items you refer to and others are not lies. those items are based on information which was publicly available at the time when it was made, hance the 2nd Edition and Final Cut. Information is still not freeflowing, but there are enough discrepancies in the official story to cause serious concern. I suggest you watch the Final Cut which is freely available here - http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/pages/lcfc/ - and base any of your "debunking" upon it. |
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| shevy19 | Jul 25 2009, 11:02 AM Post #13 |
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Still haven't answered my question. How could a cruise missile knock down five lamp post and a generator before hitting the Pentagon, and you used that as proof that a plane never hit the Pentagon. This is in the 2nd edition of loose change. So explain how did that happen. |
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| Lin Kuei | Jul 25 2009, 11:27 AM Post #14 |
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The evidence that no 757 caused the damage at the pentagon is self explanatory. If you wish to dispute that, go start a thread in the skeptic's section. The whole missile idea was only ever a theory, and one that has in my opinion NOT stood up to the facts. The evidence that has come to light more recently regarding the pentagon is indeed startling. Watch CIT's National Security Alert for more info. And as JFK suggested, watch Loose Change Final Cut before making any judgement on the previous versions. And even better - continue your research beyond presented documentaries and examine the information from all sides, whilst keeping aware of what the quantifiable facts are. Whatever theories have been presented over the years, the one fact still remains... that the official 9/11 story is an absolute fraud, and we need a thorough, independent investigation to answer the questions that have to this day not been answered. |
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| shevy19 | Jul 26 2009, 12:59 AM Post #15 |
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How is it self explanatory, besides finding parts of the plane, body and body parts of the passengers aboard, who i might add have not been found alive. Also one of the flight recorders was found and also this: "Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. He states that Flight 77 "was absolutely a plane. I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." In addition, Kilsheimer's account is supported by the photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building." I guess he's lying too. URL=http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6 |
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| BoneZ | Jul 26 2009, 10:54 AM Post #16 |
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There are very few plane parts that were actually photographed. The total sum of plane parts photographed only represent a fraction of what we would expect to see from a large jetliner crash. Then there are other professionals who would agree: Jamie McIntyre from CNN: Major General Albert Stubblebine, former head of the U.S. Army's strategic intelligence around the world: I would like for you to show me where the plane parts are in the following thread that has tons of pictures. I want you to show me where all the couple hundred seats are, the luggage, the fuselage, the wings, the tail section. Point them out because they seem to be missing from the pictures: http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/1955472/1/ If you know of any other sources that have produced pictures of all of the couple hundred seats, the luggage, the fuselage, the wings, the tail section, we would all like to see them. Any person can come out and say they saw all these plane parts here and there and everywhere, but where's the proof? Of all the hundreds of images taken of the Pentagon, that proof is missing. |
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| AR10 | Aug 25 2009, 10:52 PM Post #17 |
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Two uniformed police officers taking a break at a gas station saw the plane MISS the Pentigon. you tube PENTACON |
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| Flippy | Aug 26 2009, 11:44 AM Post #18 |
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AR10 - That is not what they said, nor is it what they saw. |
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| Flippy | Sep 2 2009, 10:55 AM Post #19 |
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AR10 - I see you corrected yourself in another post. For the record, each of your own postings has a little edit button. I highly suggest using it on your comment above. |
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