John Ogonowski not original AA11 pilot?

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John Ogonowski not original AA11 pilot?
Topic Started: Mar 2 2008, 06:01 AM (966 Views)
Shoestring	Mar 2 2008, 06:01 AM Post #1
Posts: 55 Group: Members Member #45 Joined: 01/15/08	I just read this comment posted on the old Loose Change forum: "The problem here is that the pilot who was scheduled to fly on 9/11 - his name is Walter Sorenson - got a last-minute call from [Flight 11 pilot John] Ogonowski (the day before, probably) who requested to fly the next day, which was his right as the senior pilot. It was Ogonowski who called, not Sorenson." Does anyone have any more information on this? Woody, as you posted this, do you still have the source for this information? The name of the article or a link would be great. Thanks if you can still remember it.
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Woody Box	Mar 2 2008, 03:17 PM Post #2
Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	Hi shoestring, the link is dead and also not available via archive.org, but I have the article saved on the harddisk of my old computer (which is in my cellar, buried under dust). I'm glad you're asking because I think this is very important. I'll try to put the article online, but it will take some time, and I'm going to vacation for a few days, so please be patient. It's a short piece, written during the first or second anniversary, together with a nice picture of Sorenson, his wife and their child. The interesting thing is that Ogonowski demanded to fly despite the fact that he had an important date for 9/11 - he expected a delegation from an agricultural society to show them his farm. And he was very proud of his farm.
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Woody Box	Mar 7 2008, 04:09 PM Post #3
Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	Okay, I didn't dig up my computer yet, but here is more food for thought: The night before Ogonowski's last flight, he dropped by the Cambodian farmers' plots to talk with them. He told them he was sorry to have to miss their fall harvest festival on Sept. 11, when he was scheduled to captain a Los Angeles-bound flight out of Boston's Logan Airport. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1009/p11s02-lihc.htm COLE: John Ogonowski didn’t want to fly on September 11th. That was the day people were coming to tour the dozen acres of Asian crops flourishing amid the hay and pumpkins at White Gate Farm. Ogonowski and his wife, Peggy, had hosted such events before, and he told project director Hugh Joseph he would do his best to be around for this one. JOSEPH: Finally, I got a call the night before from Peggy saying, ‘Listen, John’s not back yet, but he got the final word that he has to fly tomorrow. He can’t switch.’ http://www.loe.org/shows/shows.htm?programID=02-P13-00037#feature2 Hugh Joseph worked together with Ogonowski and wanted to visit him on Sept 11. These three sources - Joseph, Sorenson, and the Cambodian farmers - give an interesting picture of what happened. Obviously Ogonowski was told to fly on Sept 11 only one day before, but not because no other pilot was available. Sorenson was ready to fly.
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Woody Box	Mar 13 2008, 01:39 PM Post #4
Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	So for I don't know when I manage to put the original Sorenson article online, here is the relevant passage. Flight 11 crew not forgotten by Sally Applegate / Correspondent Georgetown Record Wednesday, September 17, 2003 Alternate Captain Walter Sorenson says loss affected everyone American Airlines Captain Walter Sorenson of Groveland was scheduled to fly Flight #11 on Sept. 11, 2001. He was disappointed when he was replaced by Captain John Ogonowski, who had seniority over Sorenson and requested to fly that day. That request saved Sorenson from the fiery death suffered by Ogonowski and the crew of #11 when hijackers slammed the plane into the first trade tower. The last-minute change of pilots also spared Sorenson's wife Sarah the untimely loss of a young husband. The original URL is www.townonline.com/georgetown/news/local_regional/geo_newgrsorensonpc09172003.htm but as I said, it doesn't work and is also not recoverable by the way back machine. So apparently Ogonowski changed his plans only one day before and decided to attend neither the visit of the agricultural society nor the harvest fiesta of the Cambodian farmers. Very strange. My favorite explanation is that he got a call from someone who requested his participation in one of the 9/11 wargames. Does anybody have a better one? Edited by Woody Box, Mar 13 2008, 01:40 PM.
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Shoestring	Mar 13 2008, 03:43 PM Post #5
Posts: 55 Group: Members Member #45 Joined: 01/15/08	Thanks for sharing this quote, Woody. That's a really interesting find. I'll keep my eye out for more information on this.
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JackD	Mar 14 2008, 02:54 AM Post #6
Posts: 262 Group: Members Member #253 Joined: 01/31/08	Right now Ogonowski's brother Jimis running for US Senate in Massachussetts (against John Kerry) The surviving brother is, unfortunately, not a "truther." Pilot and vietnam vet (presumed dead) John Ogonowksi of Dracut MA sounds like as decent a fellow as you can imagine - a pilot, yeoman farmer in the tradition of Thos Jefferson, back-to-the-land type. That John would forgo his farm, his neighbors, etc and insist on flying, strikes me as the call of a military veteran refusing to say "no" to an important order or request from a trusted military man. Ogonowski could have let Sorenson handle a domestic flight with passengers. There had to have been a very special request from a trusted source in order to get the Vietnam vet to cancel his plans and take that flight. someone with Human Intel who knew John ogonowski very well made that arrangement. otherwise, it would have simply fallen to Sorenson. There was a reason why Ogonowski had to be the pilot, and it has to do with 9/11 events.
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Woody Box	Mar 17 2008, 03:00 PM Post #7
Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	JackD Mar 14 2008, 02:54 AM Right now Ogonowski's brother Jimis running for US Senate in Massachussetts (against John Kerry) The surviving brother is, unfortunately, not a "truther." Pilot and vietnam vet (presumed dead) John Ogonowksi of Dracut MA sounds like as decent a fellow as you can imagine - a pilot, yeoman farmer in the tradition of Thos Jefferson, back-to-the-land type. That John would forgo his farm, his neighbors, etc and insist on flying, strikes me as the call of a military veteran refusing to say "no" to an important order or request from a trusted military man. Ogonowski could have let Sorenson handle a domestic flight with passengers. There had to have been a very special request from a trusted source in order to get the Vietnam vet to cancel his plans and take that flight. someone with Human Intel who knew John ogonowski very well made that arrangement. otherwise, it would have simply fallen to Sorenson. There was a reason why Ogonowski had to be the pilot, and it has to do with 9/11 events. Yep, Jack. That's exactly what I think. Note Hugh Joseph's words: JOSEPH: Finally, I got a call the night before from Peggy saying, ‘Listen, John’s not back yet, but he got the final word that he has to fly tomorrow. He can’t switch.’ At the first look, this sounds like Ogonowski was originally scheduled for Flight 11. But did he really wait until Sept. 10 before he asked his airline to release him from working on 9/11? Certainly not.
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JackD	Mar 18 2008, 04:19 PM Post #8
Posts: 262 Group: Members Member #253 Joined: 01/31/08	Agreed. John Ogonowski would far more have preferred to be at his home and farm, with family, and Cambodian pumpkin farmer neighbors. Anyone who has studied his profile would agree. It is highly unlikely that John would step in merely to sub for Sorenson for a purely domestic shuttle flight of Boston--LA AA11, and fly back as AA12, the usual "pendulum" flights. Some other very compelling call came for John Ogonowski. He felt obliged to rise to the call of duty and accept. Somehow i dont think the call was from his boss Arpey at American. I think it was from a military command - something that a proud patriotic Vietnam vet would not say "no" too -- a commanding officer, someone of rank. Duty called, and John Ognowksi answered it. And left his wife a widow.
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hvybass	Mar 24 2008, 09:14 PM Post #9
Posts: 17 Group: BANNED! Member #134 Joined: 01/19/08	ogonowski was a spook,cia...
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Woody Box	Mar 25 2008, 03:16 PM Post #10
Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	hvybass Mar 24 2008, 09:14 PM ogonowski was a spook,cia... I definitely don't think so. I've done much research on him, and he was a really great guy, a farmer like myself, who tried to save his soil from the greedy Boston suburbs. No, he was not a spook. Just to the contrary, the case of John Ogonowski shows how the scheduled wargames were misused as a springboard to perform the 9/11 crimes. Here's the analysis of JackD whom I fully agree with: Quote: Some other very compelling call came for John Ogonowski. He felt obliged to rise to the call of duty and accept. Somehow i dont think the call was from his boss Arpey at American. I think it was from a military command - something that a proud patriotic Vietnam vet would not say "no" too -- a commanding officer, someone of rank. Ogonowski was certainly not ordered to take part in an attack on his country. He was ordered to take part in a wargame that simulated an attack on his country. And even the military commander or whoever called him is not necessarily a spook, conspirator, etc., but might well have been busy with organizing the top-secret wargames without being aware of the criminal add-ons.
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JackD	Sep 18 2009, 11:52 PM Post #11
Posts: 262 Group: Members Member #253 Joined: 01/31/08	bump for relevance.
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JackD	Oct 30 2009, 11:53 PM Post #12
Posts: 262 Group: Members Member #253 Joined: 01/31/08	rebump
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