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Monte Belger's interview with the Commission; now published
Topic Started: Jan 21 2009, 12:45 PM (1,182 Views)
Stundie	Feb 1 2009, 11:56 AM Post #26
Posts: 885 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	There was an evacuation before the official one. This is when Clarke arrives at the White House and when Cheney were sent to the PEOC. Woody as seen the evidence I posted with the news reporter reporting at 9:53 that there was an evacuation about 30 mins before people started running out about 5 mins ago. Therefore an evacuation was happening around 9:20ish. Yet he still insists that Mineta must have arrived after the attack! Even though Cheney states that Mineta is with him in the PEOC before the Pentagon attacks. It is obvious that Woody is still not willing to accept evidence that shows his theory wrong. The question I would like to know is why?? There is nothing wrong with being wrong and nothing wrong with admitting it.
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Woody Box	Feb 2 2009, 11:56 AM Post #27
Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	Quote: Woody as seen the evidence I posted with the news reporter reporting at 9:53 that there was an evacuation about 30 mins before people started running out about 5 mins ago. Therefore an evacuation was happening around 9:20ish. It is absolutely irrelevant when the evacuation began. We're talking about Mineta's observation that people were "running out", "pouring out" of the WH and the ExecOffice Building. CNN reported running people for 9:40. CNN did not report running people for 9:20. Edited by Woody Box, Feb 2 2009, 11:57 AM.
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Stundie	Feb 2 2009, 04:06 PM Post #28
Posts: 885 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	Woody Box Feb 2 2009, 11:56 AM Quote: Woody as seen the evidence I posted with the news reporter reporting at 9:53 that there was an evacuation about 30 mins before people started running out about 5 mins ago. Therefore an evacuation was happening around 9:20ish. It is absolutely irrelevant when the evacuation began. We're talking about Mineta's observation that people were "running out", "pouring out" of the WH and the ExecOffice Building. CNN reported running people for 9:40. CNN did not report running people for 9:20. Cheney is evacuated to the PEOC and with Mineta before the Pentagon strike, therefore before 9:43. Rove states that Bush couldn't get hold of Cheney just after 9:15 cause Cheney was being evacuated before he and Bush left the school before 9:29, therefore before the pentagon attack, therefore before 9:43. Clarke states they evacuated Cheney to the PEOC as he activates Continuity Of Government and sends Mineta to be with Cheney before the Pentagon strike, therefore before 9:43. Rice states she was evacuated cause a plane was heading towards them and that Cheney was at the PEOC before the Pentagon strike, therefore before 9:43. The news article below states an evacuation about 30 minutes before it aired....therefore around 9:22, before the Pentagon attack, therefore before 9:43. CNN Aired September 11, 2001 - 09:52 ET Just moments ago they started slowing evacuating the White House about 30 minutes ago. Then, in the last five minute people have come running out of the White House and the old executive office building, which is the office building right directly across from the White House. What more proof and evidence do you want that shows you that there was an evacuation happened before the Pentagon hit and BEFORE THE OFFICIAL TIME OF THE EVACUATION AT 9:43. Every one I've quoted was there at the White House or in contact with it to know there was an evacuation happening before 9:43 otherwise Cheney would have still been in his office. Why you can't accept this, is for some pre-conceived notion that Mineta arrives later when he states...but the reality is, there is no evidence....just a belief based on your interpretation.
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Woody Box	Feb 3 2009, 12:29 PM Post #29
Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	Stundie Feb 2 2009, 04:06 PM Woody Box Feb 2 2009, 11:56 AM Quote: Woody as seen the evidence I posted with the news reporter reporting at 9:53 that there was an evacuation about 30 mins before people started running out about 5 mins ago. Therefore an evacuation was happening around 9:20ish. It is absolutely irrelevant when the evacuation began. We're talking about Mineta's observation that people were "running out", "pouring out" of the WH and the ExecOffice Building. CNN reported running people for 9:40. CNN did not report running people for 9:20. Cheney is evacuated to the PEOC and with Mineta before the Pentagon strike, therefore before 9:43. Rove states that Bush couldn't get hold of Cheney just after 9:15 cause Cheney was being evacuated before he and Bush left the school before 9:29, therefore before the pentagon attack, therefore before 9:43. Clarke states they evacuated Cheney to the PEOC as he activates Continuity Of Government and sends Mineta to be with Cheney before the Pentagon strike, therefore before 9:43. Rice states she was evacuated cause a plane was heading towards them and that Cheney was at the PEOC before the Pentagon strike, therefore before 9:43. The news article below states an evacuation about 30 minutes before it aired....therefore around 9:22, before the Pentagon attack, therefore before 9:43. CNN Aired September 11, 2001 - 09:52 ET Just moments ago they started slowing evacuating the White House about 30 minutes ago. Then, in the last five minute people have come running out of the White House and the old executive office building, which is the office building right directly across from the White House. What more proof and evidence do you want that shows you that there was an evacuation happened before the Pentagon hit and BEFORE THE OFFICIAL TIME OF THE EVACUATION AT 9:43. Every one I've quoted was there at the White House or in contact with it to know there was an evacuation happening before 9:43 otherwise Cheney would have still been in his office. Why you can't accept this, is for some pre-conceived notion that Mineta arrives later when he states...but the reality is, there is no evidence....just a belief based on your interpretation. It is absolutely irrelevant when the evacuation began. We're talking about Mineta's observation that people were "running out", "pouring out" of the WH and the ExecOffice Building. CNN reported running people for 9:40. CNN did not report running people for 9:20.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 3 2009, 01:33 PM Post #30
Posts: 1,641 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Woody Box Feb 3 2009, 12:29 PM It is absolutely irrelevant when the evacuation began. We're talking about Mineta's observation that people were "running out", "pouring out" of the WH and the ExecOffice Building. CNN reported running people for 9:40. CNN did not report running people for 9:20. Woody, there were two or more sets of evacuations... CNN Aired September 11, 2001 - 09:52 ET Just moments ago they started slowing evacuating the White House about 30 minutes ago. Then, in the last five minute people have come running out of the White House and the old executive office building, which is the office building right directly across from the White House. 09:52 ET...Just moments ago they started slowing evacuating the White House about 30 minutes ago. (9:52-30min=9:22). THIS IS WHEN MINETA PULLED UP. Mineta describes: "And so anyway, we drove into the White House on West Executive Drive. People were coming out of the White House, pouring out of the Executive Office Building, running over towards Lafayette Park," The reports and rumors of fire + the attacks would have people coming out of the Old Executive Office Bldg... Quote: 'ABC News' Special Report: "Planes crash into World Trade Center" (8:53 AM ET) Tuesday 11 September 2001 Let's go to the White House. Claire Shipman is on the phone. Claire, what's that we're looking at? CLAIRE SHIPMAN reporting: Well, that's what we're trying to figure out right now. All we know is it's this gigantic plume of smoke coming from behind the old Executive Office Building. And we're told that the White House itself, the West Wing at the very least, is being evacuated. The personnel from there are being asked to leave. We've sent people running over there to try to find out what it is. But we don't know yet. JENNINGS: Now the old Executive Office Building is to the--slightly to the west and a fraction to the south. So we are looking southwest from a camera just across Lafayette Park which is north of the White House. The White House is to the left side, out of your picture. Maybe even the cameraman could give us some appreciation. But you have no idea. Was that an explosion? Did you hear anything? SHIPMAN: We did--we did not hear it. In fact, we were trying to figure out from the White House what security precautions they were taking around the White House in the wake of the apparent attacks on the World Trade Center. And we suddenly just saw this smoke rising from behind the old Executive Office Building. We have people on their way there now but it's like nothing I've ever seen. We've never seen that kind of smoke coming from--from anything that would ordinarily occur here. JENNINGS: I must also tell you, Claire, I think if you think about what's behind the--the EOB there, you're really down in pretty open area. It doesn't look like a place where a building would be on fire. SHIPMAN: No, that's right, although there are a number of building just behind the old Executive Office Building on G Street that could potentially be on fire. But nothing you would necessarily think of as--as a target. Apparently, we're also... emperor.vwh.net/9-11backups/abc911.htm More rumors of fire at the OEOB: http://rigorousintuition.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/1252 09:52 ET...Then, in the last five minute people have come running out of the White House and the old executive office building, which is the office building right directly across from the White House.(9:52-5min=9:47) Logic would dictate that the CNN reporter simply did not see people coming out of the (Old)Executive Office Building and Mineta did in the first wave of evacuations or people high tailing it out of there be it because of the attacks in NY or because of the reports of fire or the fear of a terrorist attack down the street at the WH. There is no reason to suggest Mineta made up this whole elaborate story involving Belger that not only goes against the official story flight path but matches or fits in with the actual DC flight path seen and reported by many (as documented by us). Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Feb 3 2009, 01:50 PM.
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Woody Box	Feb 3 2009, 02:30 PM Post #31
Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	The first WH employees left the building shortly after the second WTC strike, but this evacuation happened calmly. This is part of the official story, and this is how it was reported by CNN. I never have contested that. I have, however, not seen one report that OEOB employees started with their evacuation at that time, too. Quote: Logic would dictate that the CNN reporter simply did not see people coming out of the (Old)Executive Office Building and Mineta did in the first wave of evacuations or people high tailing it out of there be it because of the attacks in NY or because of the reports of fire or the fear of a terrorist attack down the street at the WH. CNN "did not see" people pouring out of the OEOB at 9:20? CNN "did not see" people running out of the WH at 9:20? What kind of logic is dictating that to you? CNN reported that the evacuation started "slowly" around 9:20. Only at 9:40/9:45 people started to run, according to CNN. Mineta describes exactly what was reported by CNN for 9:40/9:45; people running out of the WH and the OEOB, running over to Lafayette Park. I've yet to see one report or one eyewitness that people ("everybody", according to Mineta) were running out of these buildings at 9:20. Your "logic" is pure speculation for me, sorry to say that. Quote: There is no reason to suggest Mineta made up this whole elaborate story involving Belger that not only goes against the official story flight path but matches or fits in with the actual DC flight path seen and reported by many (as documented by us). As I said already, Mineta's elaborated story with Belger has probably happened; no need to make it up. He only needed to change two little details - the time and the identity of the plane - to make it compatible with his earlier statements. As I said already, I consider the question where the plane came from before it was spotted by Chaconas as secondary; the NTSB path already has been belied by you guys. If you have so many eyewitnesses for the "DC flight path", great, but then you don't need Mineta's dubious accounts. The reason I insist on Mineta being a liar and jumped in here is that the plane he's talking about - "phantom flight 93" - is the key for uncovering 9/11 as an Operation Northwoods maneuver. I tell you: if a new investigation is launched at one point in the future, it will quickly become clear that he was not telling the truth (probably he will blame it to his bad memory then) and embarass everyone who used his funny testimony to make up his own theory.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 3 2009, 03:46 PM Post #32
Posts: 1,641 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: CNN "did not see" people pouring out of the OEOB at 9:20? CNN "did not see" people running out of the WH at 9:20? What kind of logic is dictating that to you? CNN reported that the evacuation started "slowly" around 9:20. Only at 9:40/9:45 people started to run, according to CNN. Not "CNN". The "CNN reporter". He was reporting HIS eyewitness testimony or knowledge at that moment. I see what you are getting at Woody and I knew you would take it there, rather than embracing this possibility. I still do not see enough evidence for this Phanton 93. Sorry. We will just have to agree to disagree and I know I will personally still continue to use Mineta's account to support the DC flight path. What is interesting to note is how Boone and other "duh-bunkers" won't touch this one one bit. If they agree with you, 9/11 involves a deception and if they agree with me, 9/11 involves a deception. lol. They would never agree with a 9/11 truthseeker whether they were right or not.
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Stundie	Feb 3 2009, 04:08 PM Post #33
Posts: 885 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	Woodybox The first WH employees left the building shortly after the second WTC strike, but this evacuation happened calmly. Err!! How do you know they left calmly?? If Mineta arrives around 9:45 sees Clarke, who doesn't update him on the situation of the Pentagon strike, goes to the PEOC and then hears of the attacks. He gives the order to bring down all the planes which both Belger & Mineta say happened at 9:45?? Even though Dick Cheney says Mineta is with him in the PEOC before the Pentagon attack. You are jumping to all kinds of illogical conclusions here Woody. Edited by Stundie, Feb 3 2009, 04:09 PM.
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Woody Box	Feb 6 2009, 03:01 PM Post #34
Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 3 2009, 03:46 PM Not "CNN". The "CNN reporter". He was reporting HIS eyewitness testimony or knowledge at that moment. I see what you are getting at Woody and I knew you would take it there, rather than embracing this possibility. I still do not see enough evidence for this Phanton 93. Sorry. We will just have to agree to disagree and I know I will personally still continue to use Mineta's account to support the DC flight path. So in God's name, do what you have to do, Aldo, on your own responsibility. But when you are in DC again, don't forget to check out when the OEOB was evacuated... With regards to Phantom Flight 93, more and more evidence is leaking out; just wait a little bit. Meanwhile I have found definitive proof that this plane was not a "projected flight path", but a real plane sending primary radar echo to ATC. It is fashion amongst JREFers to explain this plane away as an artificial radar blip on the "Tactical Situation Display". The source I've found now belies this TSD theory. Quote: What is interesting to note is how Boone and other "duh-bunkers" won't touch this one one bit. If they agree with you, 9/11 involves a deception and if they agree with me, 9/11 involves a deception. lol. They would never agree with a 9/11 truthseeker whether they were right or not. Well I think they're waiting that we mangle each other... but darn, popcorn is finished, and nothing has happened yet...
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Woody Box	Feb 6 2009, 03:04 PM Post #35
Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: 01/17/08	I have gathered Mineta's and Belger's statements here: http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/02/monte-belger-vs-norman-mineta.html
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Avenger	Feb 7 2009, 05:23 PM Post #36
Posts: 542 Group: Members Member #17 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: Belger mentions neither the approaching Flight 77 nor being in contact with Mineta prior to the Pentagon crash. In the interview to the Commissioners he indicates that first contact with Mineta was established after the crash. In case he was in contact with him before, this blatant omission would constitute a lie. Would that ommission be on the part of Belger or the Commission report? You should always consider the source of your information. I don't think the 9/11 commission is a trustworthy source. Edited by Avenger, Feb 12 2009, 05:39 PM.
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Stundie	Feb 10 2009, 06:58 PM Post #37
Posts: 885 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	Woody Box Feb 6 2009, 03:04 PM I have gathered Mineta's and Belger's statements here: http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/02/monte-belger-vs-norman-mineta.html Oh dear! You are ignoring a mountain of evidence which says Mineta was at the PEOC before the Pentagon attack. Therefore before 9:45 as you are claiming. Not good enough Woody.
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Stundie	Feb 22 2009, 04:26 PM Post #38
Posts: 885 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	Hi Woody, I am currently debating on another website and your theory got me thinking? If we accept that Mineta didn't arrive at the PEOC until after 9:45am, then what do you think or suspect that Mineta was doing from the moment he left his meeting and office after the 2nd hit the WTC to his arrival at the PEOC?
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