Uh, The RADES Data Shows "AA77" North of Citgo

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Uh, The RADES Data Shows "AA77" North of Citgo; ...and impacting into 395
Topic Started: Feb 23 2008, 01:05 PM (989 Views)
Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 23 2008, 01:05 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	This is bizarre and of course not surprising. Here are the last 3 long/lat coordinate entries from the RADES data for "AA77". http://aal77.com/rades/rades.php Try for yourself... Quote: 38 51 23.672 N 077 05 37.274 W (SW of driving range) MISSED RETURN (Big gap) 38 52 16.862 N 077 03 48.703 W (North of Citgo) 38 52 05.584 N 077 03 39.502 W (Last entry, "impact" into 395) Simply copy and paste the coordinates into Google Earth and press the magnifying glass for it to be searched and placed. Rob Balsamo on John Farmer... Quote: The person (recipient) who reportedly received this RADES data through the FOIA sent me these files within days after he received them. I saw -- and pointed out -- just what you have done above. However, the recipient wanted to argue those points "arent real", as if he was almost trying to say they didnt exist in the data, and proceeded to write up convoluted blogs regarding lat/long "last position" being at the point i exposed in our latest short presentation which included DME. Of course i pointed all this out to the "recipient", that he cannot just ignore DME data, not to mention the data you describe above, but it appears he didnt want to hear it and ignored sound advice. We all now know what happened to his convoluted blogs he wrote up ignoring data... he eventually took them down. Perhaps he realized his bias/agenda? Or perhaps even his own "contact" (singular) he claimed to have showed him the same i was trying to tell him. But yes Aldo, your observations are correct. Those are the last position points for AA77 according to Govt supplied data based on RADES. Its no surprise they do not add up or support the govt story. Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Feb 23 2008, 05:34 PM.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 23 2008, 02:20 PM Post #2
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Gee, why is everyone so quiet? Where the F is a Jrefer when you need one. Calcas? Reddawn? Auntie Sophie? Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Feb 23 2008, 02:36 PM.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 23 2008, 03:07 PM Post #3
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Man, that is a mean ass right bank from north of the Citgo and into 395, I hope all those people were alright. Terral, maybe that was the all the plane debris that landed onto Michael Kelly while he was on 395..er..uh I mean 14th street bridge..um...uh, I mean 395. lol. Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Feb 23 2008, 10:56 PM.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 23 2008, 03:11 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	What's going on??????????????
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JFK	Feb 23 2008, 03:36 PM Post #5
Posts: 4,218 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 23 2008, 03:11 PM What's going on?????????????? Either a "slam dunk" or the "skeptics" are scurrying trying to find out what RADES data is.... or both.
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Bitterman	Feb 23 2008, 03:39 PM Post #6
Posts: 324 Group: Members Member #284 Joined: 02/07/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 23 2008, 02:20 PM Gee, why is everyone so quiet? LOL. Good stuff.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 23 2008, 04:54 PM Post #7
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	JFK Feb 23 2008, 03:36 PM Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 23 2008, 03:11 PM What's going on?????????????? Either a "slam dunk" or the "skeptics" are scurrying trying to find out what RADES data is.... or both. Both.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 23 2008, 04:55 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Bitterman Feb 23 2008, 03:39 PM Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 23 2008, 02:20 PM Gee, why is everyone so quiet? LOL. Good stuff. Truly.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 23 2008, 05:35 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	According to the RADES data, AA77 crashed into Mitch Mitchell, Joel Sucherman, and Mike Walter. lol. Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Feb 23 2008, 07:50 PM.
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NoConspiracy	Feb 23 2008, 08:50 PM Post #10
Posts: 9 Group: Members Member #292 Joined: 02/08/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 23 2008, 05:35 PM According to the RADES data, AA77 crashed into Mitch Mitchell, Joel Sucherman, and Mike Walter. lol. Ahahaha......good shit man.
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PBnJ	Feb 23 2008, 09:35 PM Post #11
The Best Sandwich on Earth Posts: 179 Group: Members Member #315 Joined: 02/13/08	downloading... I am skeptical, but I wouldn't be open minded if I ignored new evidence. Will post back later.



Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 23 2008, 10:38 PM Post #12
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	PBnJ Feb 23 2008, 09:35 PM downloading... I am skeptical, but I wouldn't be open minded if I ignored new evidence. Will post back later. Please do. I got this from Italian researcher, Marco Bollentino who got it from John Farmer who now promotes the impact of a 757. John Farmer obtained the RADES data through an FOIA. John Farmer hosts AAL77.COM and used to have Marco as one of the admins/moderators of his forum. I doubt you are downloading something different than what I just posted. Just curious, once you have confrirmed this what will you think then?
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SPreston	Feb 23 2008, 10:44 PM Post #13
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 23 2008, 03:07 PM Man, that is a mean ass right bank from north of the Citgo and into 395, I hope all those people were alright. Terral, maybe that was the all the plane debris that landed onto Michael Kelly while he was on 395..er..uh I mean 14th street bridge..um...uh, I mean 395. lol. Ummmmm ...... I think Terral has gone on permanent hiatus ......... ummmmmm ....... again.



Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 23 2008, 11:04 PM Post #14
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	SPreston Feb 23 2008, 10:44 PM Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 23 2008, 03:07 PM Man, that is a mean ass right bank from north of the Citgo and into 395, I hope all those people were alright. Terral, maybe that was the all the plane debris that landed onto Michael Kelly while he was on 395..er..uh I mean 14th street bridge..um...uh, I mean 395. lol. Ummmmm ...... I think Terral has gone on permanent hiatus ......... ummmmmm ....... again. Yeah but I know he is probably reading.
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SPreston	Feb 23 2008, 11:31 PM Post #15
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 23 2008, 01:05 PM This is bizarre and of course not surprising. Here are the last 3 long/lat coordinate entries from the RADES data for "AA77". I hope poor Hani Hanjour did not get severe whiplash making that last turn.



Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 23 2008, 11:43 PM Post #16
Posts: 1,650 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	SPreston Feb 23 2008, 11:31 PM LMAO
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PBnJ	Feb 24 2008, 12:15 AM Post #17
The Best Sandwich on Earth Posts: 179 Group: Members Member #315 Joined: 02/13/08	The last 2 coords in one of the excel files matched the photo you provided. I went to verify the data, and unfortunately all of it is either corrupt or has bad headers. I've re-downloaded the .ISO twice. Upon further inspection, I have narrowed down the file I need from the timestamp data that was luckily visible in the header of this file. Does anyone here have a working copy of 12541430.RS3 (or NEADS/SEADS 12541430) or any working project file from that .ISO? Edited by PBnJ, Feb 24 2008, 12:17 AM.



PBnJ	Feb 24 2008, 10:39 AM Post #18
The Best Sandwich on Earth Posts: 179 Group: Members Member #315 Joined: 02/13/08	Grabbing a different .ISO. We'll see how this one fairs. EDIT: This one seems to work, bbl. Edited by PBnJ, Feb 24 2008, 10:43 AM.



Craig Ranke CIT	Feb 24 2008, 12:28 PM Post #19
Posts: 1,459 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	And the verdict is?
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PBnJ	Feb 24 2008, 02:52 PM Post #20
The Best Sandwich on Earth Posts: 179 Group: Members Member #315 Joined: 02/13/08	You guys are allowed to wait hours between responses, but if someone doesn't respond within a few minutes you're chomping at the bit. I love the double standard here. Please keep in mind that the final radar returns for flight 77 are search returns and not beacon or reinforced. Quote: 2. Radar Capabilities. The radars used in this analysis are employed for USAF air defense and Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) air traffic control missions. The radars under discussion have differing capabilities. The ARSR-4 radar is a three-dimensional system providing azimuth, range and 3-D height. ARSR-4 radar data provided to military end users includes search radar 3-D height. Radar data provided to FAA end users is void of search radar 3-D height, but includes weather messages that are not distributed to the military end user. The ARSR-1E and ARSR-3 radars are two-dimensional radars providing only azimuth and range relative to the radar. In addition to primary (search) radar, all radar sites provide secondary (beacon) radar information. The radar sites interrogate and receive secondary (beacon) responses from aircraft transponders providing altimeter height and discrete mode 3A codes (squawk). In general, the most reliable height information comes from aircraft transponder systems turned ON, responding to mode C interrogations. Mode C height accuracy is limited to ±100 feet (assuming standard barometric pressure), the value of the least significant bit in the mode C altitude report. Because mode C height is always based on a standard barometric pressure setting, it is not corrected for local pressure conditions, although an approximate correction can be made based on local atmospheric data (D-value). Note, aircraft true height is found by adding local D-value to the mode C reported height. The D-value generally varies +1000 feet. The ARSR-4 3-D height data is generally accurate to within +2000 feet when the aircraft is within 175 nmi of the radar site. The primary range accuracy limitation for both primary and secondary radar systems is ± 1/8 nmi due to the target reporting format employed by the radar system. Azimuth accuracy is limited to approximately 0.2 degrees for both primary and secondary radar systems. In addition to these range, azimuth, and height accuracy factors, the radar sites require approximately 12 seconds to complete each 360-degree azimuth scan. This relatively slow scan rate precludes moment-by-moment, contiguous aircraft positional information (i.e., precludes precise track statistics such as heading and speed), particularly when aircraft are making rapid maneuvers. Because of these intrinsic radar limitations, all radar plots illustrated in this report on a scan-to-scan basis should be considered close approximations. Source This is applicable to the entire flight. There were 4 radar systems tracking this flight, and even two of the same type (ARSR-4) produced differential locations (the zig-zagging you see on the flight paths). As seen here: You're trying to use one of the final search pulses as accurate depiction of a north side location. If search radar pulse returns alone were truly that accurate, then a planes behavior would be that of a bouncing rubber ball; banking at sharp angles along it's trajectory. Do you have any testimonies or interviews from anyone who analyzes this sort of data professionally? I'm very interested to see if a professional will back up the statement that this is hard evidence for a north side approach. Edited by PBnJ, Feb 24 2008, 02:56 PM.



Craig Ranke CIT	Feb 24 2008, 03:18 PM Post #21
Posts: 1,459 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	So did Aldo plot the given lat & long co-ordinates accurately or not?
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Craig Ranke CIT	Feb 24 2008, 03:21 PM Post #22
Posts: 1,459 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	PBnJ Feb 24 2008, 02:52 PM Do you have any testimonies or interviews from anyone who analyzes this sort of data professionally? I'm very interested to see if a professional will back up the statement that this is hard evidence for a north side approach. Plus nobody said this is "hard evidence for a north side approach". Unless you also think it's hard evidence that it crashed into the highway. We know the data is fraudulent and can prove it. This simply demonstrates more irreconcilable discrepancies in the official data and reports. Their story fails to add up from every angle possible.
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PBnJ	Feb 24 2008, 03:32 PM Post #23
The Best Sandwich on Earth Posts: 179 Group: Members Member #315 Joined: 02/13/08	Craig Ranke CIT Feb 24 2008, 03:18 PM So did Aldo plot the given lat & long co-ordinates accurately or not? Lacking reading comprehension, you are. He put in the right coordinates, but those do not exactly correspond to where the plane was, as stated in my previous post. Quote: Unless you also think it's hard evidence that it crashed into the highway. So, this isn't evidence at all for a north side approach then? What is the point of even putting it up here? To show the data to be fraudulent? Please do so.



Bitterman	Feb 24 2008, 03:41 PM Post #24
Posts: 324 Group: Members Member #284 Joined: 02/07/08	I think that was the point PBnJ. To show that if that info was used to help the offical story, even it couldn't be helpful for their side. Orrrr, did I miss something?
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Craig Ranke CIT	Feb 24 2008, 04:07 PM Post #25
Posts: 1,459 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Bitterman Feb 24 2008, 03:41 PM I think that was the point PBnJ. To show that if that info was used to help the offical story, even it couldn't be helpful for their side. Orrrr, did I miss something? You pretty much got it. They do not have evidence to support their story. We have a ton of evidence that contradicts it. Throw this on the pile.
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